as an example, the record in question (Perverted By Language), was originally released with copyrights listed as:Copyright © – Fall Music Publishers Ltd.Copyright © – Cavalcade (2)
but on the new reissue Hanley posts about, the rights are: Licensed From – BMG Rights Management (UK) Limited Distributed By – Music On Vinyl B.V. Manufactured By – Music On Vinyl B.V. Phonographic Copyright ℗ – Sanctuary Records Group Ltd. Copyright © – Sanctuary Records Group Ltd.
and who know what happened in the 40 years in between. the 1998 reissue is copyrighted to Cog Sinister: https://www.discogs.com/release/9005355-The-Fall-Perverted-By-Language but the rights have definitely been with Castle/Sanctuary since 2003 or so.
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 20 August 2023 04:15 (ten months ago) link
Hard to see how consulting/getting the blessing of every musician who played on a record would work. As Dave Simpson's book shows, tracking down former members of The Fall is not a straightforward business. And they can't really expect to be given a veto on any aspect of the reissue.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Sunday, 20 August 2023 04:17 (ten months ago) link
Flashback to Sonic & Jason telling folks to not buy any Spacemen 3 reissues because their old manager owns everything including publishing.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 20 August 2023 04:17 (ten months ago) link
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
― earlnash, Sunday, 20 August 2023 05:59 (ten months ago) link
"Some of your friends are already this fucked"
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 20 August 2023 06:04 (ten months ago) link
https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/365730790_6161617713936668_5145401186340326710_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6ZxWwMpvetwAX866U-M&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=00_AfCwxs0lEZzdLuo7ZlDR5oMkOF9vke5pQYRpYFOy86Dozw&oe=64E60C23
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 August 2023 09:07 (ten months ago) link
― Alba, Sunday, 20 August 2023 09:10 (ten months ago) link
I mean that she said similar, not that Nina Simone co-owned publishing rights to the Spacemen 3 catalogue.
― Alba, Sunday, 20 August 2023 09:14 (ten months ago) link
not sure Salvador Dali wasn't an utter bastard tbh
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 20 August 2023 11:45 (ten months ago) link
Wouldn’t be too hard to track down the 5 musicians here and offer to send them a few copies at least!
― dan selzer, Sunday, 20 August 2023 23:30 (ten months ago) link
dali def belongs in the hitler intersection there tbh
― imago, Sunday, 20 August 2023 23:31 (ten months ago) link
i’ve been meaning to do a *proper* piece of devil’s advocacy on this question for a while. the trigger for saying this now is just finding out that the spanish falangists had a ~27 point~ programme - this is probably known but it wasn’t by me.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 19:28 (nine months ago) link
may do it when i get back from espain
Well I’m pretty sure Mark was right wing, I’ve made my peace with that.
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 19:55 (nine months ago) link
people like the fall because they're fuckin awesome
thanks
― ava (paolo), Thursday, 21 September 2023 07:43 (nine months ago) link
oh no! do we cancel them now? xpost
― StanM, Thursday, 21 September 2023 07:57 (nine months ago) link
Hmm, first I find Eat Y'Self FItter and Smile are missing from (UK) Spotify release of Perverted by Language, now I see Leave the Capitol is missing from Slates. Wtf's going on with the licensing of these tracks? I daren't look at all their other albums and find what else is greyed out.
― Alba, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 11:53 (three months ago) link
Mark’s estate must be a mess.
― from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 12:12 (three months ago) link
Yeah that really fucked me up. I had a perfect playlist built from Apple Music of The Fall in chronological order broken up into 3 phases. Basically pre-Brix, Brix and post-Brix, and suddenly key tracks disappeared. Usually those tracks exist on other releases, like a best-of or some compilation, and there's some rights that have switched or something. It really sucks. Eat Y'Self Fitter is on the 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong compilation so I had to pull it from there. Smile's nowhere. Leave the Capitol's nowhere, just some live version. Lie Dream is on the 50k comp etc.
I def started leaning to heavily on streaming so I could access these playlists in multiple places. Now it's fucked. I'd be better off finding a way to serve the playlists off my computer remotely.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 13:12 (three months ago) link
50,000 Fall Fans comp not available on UK Spotify, alas, so can't plug the Eat Y'Self Fitter hole with that.
― Alba, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:24 (three months ago) link
I'd dig out my old CDs if I still had a CD player! Ah well, there's always soulseek
― Alba, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:25 (three months ago) link
just heard "A Past Gone Mad" for the first time a couple days ago and I was stunned not just that it was The Fall but that it was The Fall from 1993. might have to actually explore those later records I guess.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:26 (three months ago) link
they are great
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:39 (three months ago) link
Infotainment Scan is a really good Fall record!
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:43 (three months ago) link
the perfection of "Blindness" (the Peel Session version) is completely shocking
― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:51 (three months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAHbSAJjTls
― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:52 (three months ago) link
― from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:56 (three months ago) link
I get "Hey! Student" stuck in my head not infrequently.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:03 (three months ago) link
"Noel's Chemical Effluence" is a great lost 90s track, unique in their catalog.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:21 (three months ago) link
Probably said this on another Fall thread but I really like Middle Class Revolt, the one time I saw them it was the current album and it was a great set
(xp I actually had Hey! Student stuck in my head for weeks after this show!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rx2Y956Oq0
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 01:48 (three months ago) link
yes that tour was the only time I saw them as well, with Brix!
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 03:03 (three months ago) link
that live version of middle class revolt they toured with was so f’ing good. brix appearing, incredibly, before we heard the amazing peel christmas session with her on. anyway the 27 points version captures it v well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyDVfnCCC1w
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 19:29 (three months ago) link
I saw that tour too, in Seattle. No way in those times of knowing brix was back in the band. When she came out me and others went nuts
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 23 March 2024 04:31 (three months ago) link
MCR the album doesn’t connect for me somehow. The pieces are all in place but it fails to fly.
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 23 March 2024 04:32 (three months ago) link
I found "Leave the Capital" on a different album on Spotify, "13”
Don't know if it's the exact same version, you know how these things run w/ The Fall.
There is a "complete fall albums" playlist consisting of the official albums, created by Cherry Red. I daresay some will have dropped off that for the same reason.
― Mark G, Saturday, 23 March 2024 11:35 (three months ago) link
Anyone happen to know if the vinyl version of Sublingual Tablet ever got a non-vinyl release? iirc all the alternative versions were superior to their cd counterparts.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 23 March 2024 15:24 (three months ago) link
now you tell me! lol
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 23 March 2024 15:24 (three months ago) link
As with much of the post-Beggars years, "Middle Class Revolt" is half great half meh. My picks for the great stuff:15 WaysBehind The CounterM5#1Middle Class Revolt!Hey! StudentWar
As for the Sublingual Tablet LP, only "Dedication Not Medication", "Auto Chip 2014-2016", "Pledge" and "Fibre Book Troll" were different on the LP. "Dedication" was definitely superior on the LP, "Auto Chip" was just an edit and the other two were a toss-up (I didn't feel "Fibre" should be twice as long).
I have MP3's of them if you're interested, ILXMail me.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 23 March 2024 16:53 (three months ago) link
Starting in 1994 or so I subscribed to the Fall email discussion list (remember those?) so I was aware of the lineup comings and goings. The list was very rockist though, most hated Brix and anything after 1982. (I've always loved Brix and the Beggars albums rule so hard).
― Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 23 March 2024 17:27 (three months ago) link
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 23 March 2024 18:08 (three months ago) link
As with much of the post-Beggars years, "Middle Class Revolt" is half great half meh. My picks for the great stuff:15 WaysBehind The CounterM5#1Middle Class Revolt!Hey! StudentWarAs for the Sublingual Tablet LP, only "Dedication Not Medication", "Auto Chip 2014-2016", "Pledge" and "Fibre Book Troll" were different on the LP. "Dedication" was definitely superior on the LP, "Auto Chip" was just an edit and the other two were a toss-up (I didn't feel "Fibre" should be twice as long). I have MP3's of them if you're interested, ILXMail me.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 23 March 2024 18:48 (three months ago) link
Well now this is a good read:
https://thequietus.com/articles/34037-the-fall-marc-riley-craig-scanlon-paul-steve-hanley
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 19:31 (two months ago) link
The four of them were on the Hanley Bros podcast together a couple yrs back, well worth the listen
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 19:56 (two months ago) link
I lurve Marc Riley, I wish he'd reissue his Creepers stuff.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:35 (two months ago) link
been listening to O-Mit, an EP of stuff left off Re-Mit, it's really great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:01 (two months ago) link
nice, had no idea that existed
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:10 (two months ago) link
got one of those great Fall song titles that cracks me up: "A Disco (City)", the parenthesis kill me for some reason, miss u Mark E.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:11 (two months ago) link
How do they feel about this description? “It really was a great band,” says Riley. “The two drummer lineup [with Karl Burns] was an amazing thing to be involved in. It felt absolutely infallible pretty much every night. We felt like we could take anybody on. We once played with The Birthday Party [in 1982] and they really went for it, it was a bit like a 'follow that...' scenario. And we did. We did a 13 minute version of ‘And This Day’, and we went hell for leather. For my money we were better than The Birthday Party that night, who were one of the greatest live bands in the world.” Scanlon then adds: “although we did play with The Cramps and they blew us off stage. Fucking ruined us.”
one for the "blew them off stage" thread! i find the image evoked by the lewder reading of that innocuous line truly delightful.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:22 (two months ago) link
further to the interview, there is a pretty significant subset of fall cratediggers who will listen to all these different recordings critically and point out standouts - not sure if they've been in touch with those folks, but god i bet they could curate some truly killer sets based on their tapes. far better than the grey-market piles of crap that come out now.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:38 (two months ago) link
It is wild how much stuff seems to get added to the pile every time I take a look - there’s a 4-disc reissue of Are You Are Missing Winner?
― JoeStork, Friday, 12 April 2024 15:48 (two months ago) link