And for today, class, the word to spell correctly is 'relevance.'
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:47 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:48 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
Now please, say something relevant or shut up. :-)
James
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
So why when I argue this position am I met with comparisons to this Geir fellow? Who I felt like disembowling the moment I read his posts, incidently.
Ned I'm assuming he read the Ignition thread, but to discredit the example: if Kelly wrote songs that were as wretched as his behavior, that'd be different. When a writer adds something wretched to his body of work, it's fair to reevaluate that entire body of work and individual texts within it. Bam!
I didn't see that thread, but while I see yr point, I don't think that this is the case here. While Baraka may have become senile in his old age, and Blues People is not an airtight argument per se, it is one that deserves fair treatment. Judge it in the context of the WTC writing if you must, but keep in mind - different time, place, and completely different issue.I can't think of a musical example to compare it to, but let me put it this way: No matter how offensive this poem may be, it doesn't change the continued relevence of the work he has done in the past.
ie. if you got something to say fukker say it cuz you ain't said shit yet The irony!
Yeah, this board needs an edit button. Blow me.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
You have discovered the joy that is ddrake! Revel in his love for you, for without someone to demonize, he would not exist.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
Precisely.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:53 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link
Because ddrake said so. (So okay, maybe entirely taking it back to him all the time isn't the best approach, but he likes the attention.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:55 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link
Ooh, an actual argument.
"academic posturing..." as if I've learned this in college. No, its impossible that these are my OWN ideas and from experience, I have come to these conclusions? Please, my black history professor freshman year was on tenure, I learned shit in that class. Ha.
Someone needs to ban the prefix "psuedo."Not bullshit. This is a serious argument I'm making, and I don't see why its necessary to belittle it with accusations of "psuedo-intellectualism." I wouldn't accuse INTENTIONAL race politics of coming into yr question, but rather culturally ingrained issues of race. I certainly wouldn't claim to be the all-knowledgeable god of hip hop, but man, discussing hip hop on ILM makes me want to hurl.
There's a difference between Sun Ra and Art Ensemble of Chicago and Anthony Braxton and Bill Evans (token white progressive dude) and ... Yes and Rush and Genesis. If you are looking for the Sun Ra/Art Ensemble/etc. artists, I'll tell you when I find some. Meanwhile, I'd like to point out that my initial comments were directed towards the assumed "progressivism" of using instrumental solos. How "trad" can you GET?! Frankly, yr number 4 I'd be very interested in seeing more of. Admittedly, my initial white comment was meant to provoke. It did. I am happy. yay!
Because ddrake said so.
It really is like being out on the playground again.Cinniblount has yet to say anything relevent.PS: didn't apply to OberlinPPS: Oberlin is a shitty schoolPPPS: You suck.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:57 (twenty years ago) link
dude, are you talking to me? Cause I wasn't arguing this at all.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:58 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:58 (twenty years ago) link
You deny that possibility for the rest of us...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link
So argue with me about it rather than personally insulting a talking head on the internet.
ddrake has yet to respond to what anyone actually said (as opposed to what he'd like to pretend they said)
What?!
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? Have you been paying attention to what I've said at all?
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link
Is this some sort of joke?
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.persil.co.uk/images/in/images2/ironing.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link
1. My contention that "Extended songs, with long organic instrumental sections" were not in fact progressive and were in fact REgressive.
2. My intentionally provacative comment that this was a "white" perspective.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
The flagpoll! 12:05 AM EST!
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link