― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link
it was sitting in the back of my memory untill cat power did it so damnedwell...these days i cant decide which i like better...
i've meant to dig up some old versions of it. a co-worker knows it from houseparty sessions when she was a kid..but hasn't pointed to any recorded versions..allmusic herei come
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link
has anyone bought/heard the starbucks tapes?
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― the bobfox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link
So great.
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― don, Thursday, 24 November 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Really enjoying the The Witmark Demos, but as I've been searching out reviews of the set I'm getting a little sick of the Dylan fanatics whining "well I've heard all these before, so this is nothing new and I can't believe they bothered to package this". Gee, thanks, but some of us like to not have to scrounge through tons of bootlegs and will happily pay for this stuff all collected and cleaned up nice.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 October 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, yeah, this is a great set, even though i may have been one of the fanatics complaining originally. second disc in particular is just a joy to listen to. i definitely prefer some of the versions here to the album versions.
― tylerw, Monday, 1 November 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I am listening to that second disc now!
I wanted to hear what 'I'll keep it with mine' sounded like in its very first instance.
And now I am hearing 'Boots of Spanish Leather' - my goodness. Such depth he seems to have found, to have plumbed or fallen into.
About 'keep it with mine', have I others mentioned before the basic difficulty with this song, namely that the 'everybody / will help you' line doesn't really fit vs the music, so every cover (and so many covers have occurred) has to solve this problem anew?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
[= have I and / or others mentioned]
― the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Just listening to Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (Take 5) from Vol.7. So great.― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005
― the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
my download code for the brandeis vinyl i bought in case anyone wants it:
http://www.myplaydirect.com/bobdylan/redeem_short_pin?cid=lg:4ve&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=retail
code: 349j3p56d57nd72
― scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone know where i could find a version of "when i paint my masterpiece" from the rolling thunder revue tour?
― Moreno, Sunday, 24 April 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
just uh "replaced" the taped copy I had of the Bootleg Series Volume 2, as I'm sorta going through a mid-60s through the late 70s Bob-listening period at the moment and I am wondering at just how much there really is in the vaults from that '65-'67 period. Volume 2 really only includes a smattering - I have an unauthorized bootleg that I got back in the 90s called "Thin Wild Mercury Music" that has at least a dozen more tracks from the same sessions (Pilot Eyes, Just a Little Glass of Water, numerous alternate versions). Does anybody have any particular insight into this period or resources that would be worth checking out?
Also, did Dylan even tour the US with his electric band during this period? I mean I know about the inaugural folk festival shows and whatnot, but it seems like the live stories/bootlegs from this period are always from the two UK tours.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
also - so glad to finally be hearing this 3/4 version of Like a Rolling Stone again
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
is that the one with the mickey jones replacing levon helm in the band?
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure...? it's very short, just over a minute-and-a-half. instrumentation is Bob at the piano, singing and playing harmonica too and I think there's some small electric guitar and organ bits at the end. I'll see if I can find a youtube...
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
wikipedia sez no
The recording sessions were produced by Tom Wilson on June 15–16, 1965, in Studio A of Columbia Records, 799 Seventh Avenue, in New York City.In addition to Bloomfield, the other musicians enlisted were Paul Griffin on piano, Joe Macho, Jr. on bass, Bobby Gregg on drums, and Bruce Langhorne on tambourine, all booked by Wilson. Gregg and Griffin had previously worked with Dylan and Wilson on Bringing It All Back Home. On the first day, five takes of the song were recorded in a markedly different style from the eventual release—a 3/4 waltz time, with Dylan on piano. The lack of sheet music meant the song was played by ear. However the essence of the song was discovered in the course of the chaotic session. They did not reach the first chorus until the fourth take, but after the following harmonica fill Dylan interrupted, saying, "My voice is gone, man. You wanna try it again?" This take was subsequently released on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991. The session ended shortly afterwards.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
According to this, he did do an electric tour of the US/Canada in 1966, but the personnel fluctuated. The US/Canada leg of the tour started out with Al Kooper and Levon Helm, and ended up with the rest of the Hawks and Bobby Gregg.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
ah. I've seen Eat the Document, for some reason I thought all that footage was from the UK tours. Not that there's a lot of um, explication in that film.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Tyler had a boot up from one of the US dates on his blog.
― Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
There was also a mult-disc Bootleg Series release through Sony Japan only, with little publicity. Yet another reminder of just how crazy he is, to sideline something this good (like leaving the Desire sessions' "Golden Loom" in the can so long, in favor of shit like "Joey"). It ranges from the very early 60s, when he sounds like a mean ol' compelling preacher man on "Wade In The Water". to the late '90s, I think. A few prev released tracks, but nothing too obvious. He even reads 60s poetry from the stage, way better than most of the stuff on back album jackets (before John Wesley Harding, that is). Telltale Signs is mostly excellent too, although it's mostly about lost love, gotta be ready for that(the music's always good)(of course I'm just talking about the double-disc, but you could probably get everything on the third disc from the bargain bin or downloads, for much, much less than the full edition, though still wouldn't have the book, boo-hoo)
― dow, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
there seem to be a handful of outtakes from his 65-67 studio sessions that I can't find:
CaliforniaYou Don't Have to Do ThatWhy Do You Have to Be So Frantic?
and then I guess various alternate versions of some things...
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
Also see Tyler's link to Renaldo and Clara on YouTube, speaking of Rolling Thunder. I haven't heard the Bootleg Series Rolling Thunder, don't know how it compares with thar (the old Hard Rain live LP has some good R Thunder performances). It's 3' 36", but very episodic, no prob with breaks. Don't know why it got such bad reviews: you get mostly really good, already speculative re-arrangements of songs from early 60s to recent past, and the whole thing is also a continuation of the troubled relationship dynamic on Blood On The Tracks--not a rolling cinematic break-up album, but scenes with restless,wry, sly, not-buyin'-any-alibis women, and somewhat befuddled men, the latter inching towards middle-aged crazy. (The actually middle-aged men, like Ronny Hawkins, Allen Ginsberg and Ramblin' Jack, thrive in the spotlight.) Great sound and pungent 70s dirty silver screen visuals (Dyl had already made the Scorsese connection after all, and maybe thinkin Cassavetes, Pennebacker of course, hoping for success like that of Altman's Nashville, or Led Zep's Song Remains The Same, it's kind of in between those)
― dow, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
another question:
what the hell was Dylan doing between New Morning and Pat Garrett? So weird that he went so long without releasing anything except a couple random largely ignored singles
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
I may have the chronology wrong, but I think that's around when Bob was trying to shake off any number of stalkers (Weberman and the like). Since putting out a crap record (Self Portrait) on purpose didn't throw people off his trail, he probably decided to clam up entirely.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
he was raising kids and chickens and shit
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
"Cow Pie!" Now that nobody goes to MySpace, tons of albums there: whole series and boxes of Hank, Cash, Miles and Dylan for inst. All of BD's original 60s releases (in their 2010 mono, plus Best of the Mono Recordings). Several in the Bootleg Series, like the Whitmark Demos, Halloween Mask, Vols.1-3: Series of Dreams, Live At Brandeis (not sure if that's formally incl in Bootleg Series, but def 60s)
― dow, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://s.discogss.com/image/R-4142927-1356735357-6465.jpeg
Not a part of the bootleg series, but may as well be. Sony/Columbia quietly released 100 copies of this across a few European countries at the end of December, and it was available for download in a few countries (at an exorbitant price) but that's it. The mp3 download version apparently uses the less subtle artwork above, while the physical copies used the 50th Anniv. title. Basically all the alternate/live tracks they wanted to not let slip into the public domain? I'm not sure I understand how copyright law works that they had to do this, but I wish it was more widely available.
http://www.discogs.com/Bob-Dylan-The-50th-Anniversary-Collection-The-Copyright-Extension-Collection-Vol-I/release/4142612
― city worker, Friday, 4 January 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
out there on t0rrentz, of course
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 4 January 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
haha, saw this. so weird. some good stuff on there, nothing that hasn't been around on bootlegs, i don't think?
― tylerw, Friday, 4 January 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Isn't there something major happening with copyright law in Europe this year? I seem to recall some hand-wringing about "and now Beatles songs will be public domain!"
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, there's an EU directive now in force which extends copyright in sound recordings from 50 to 70 years. So the Beatles are protected. More here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/sep/15/copyright-extension-cliffs-law-beatles
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 4 January 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfME_KyTmc0&feature=youtu.be&t=6m48s
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 January 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, that's what I was looking for!
xp
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
ugh y didnt my vid post it is the most necessary vid
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 January 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pPQUh%2B7aL._SL500_.jpgguess the floodgates are kinda opening with these euro bootleg collections. available on amzon. four discs for pretty cheap i think.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
record store day release -- Bob Dylan Wigwam b/w Thirsty Boots from the forthcoming Bootleg Series Volume 10, features the demo version of Wigwam and the unreleased track from the Self Portrait sessions.kind of cool, guess it'll be a 69-70 collection or something? Self Portrait outtakes!
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
oh man self-portrait outakes....do we dare hope for new morning outtakes????
― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
yeahhhh, i assume they'll be clearing the decks of that stuff. probably some of the isle of wight concert too? hopefully there's more cool stuff that's never been bootlegged -- i don' think these two tracks have made it out.
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
crazy that wigwam was released as a single back in the dayhttp://www.importsounds.com/images/BOB-DYLAN_WIGWAM_061512.JPGi mean, i really love that song, but... did anyone think it was going to be a hit?
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
what is the demo going to be like, i wonder, hmmmm.
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/9a/01/9a01fa3d715f1211f22450db86eeeb26.jpg
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
These sessions are great. It's nice to see the Self-Portrait era get a reassessment. Funny to think about how much the rock-crit establishment freaked out whenever Dylan dared release anything recorded more for the sheer love of making music rather thanuttering kind of profound poetic statement. I love the way he Dylanizes songs he chooses to cover. Plus his choice of covers has turned me onto some incredible stuff.
― thirdalternative, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, early morning rain is one of my faves from that era. i'm sure there was a little self-sabotage going on (as dylan claimed a decade or so later), but also, i think this was just a period where he wanted to make low-key country rock records, along the lines of gordon lightfoot, john prine, kris kristofferson, etc.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure there was a little self-sabotage going on (as dylan claimed a decade or so later)
love chronicles but i trust bob about as far as i can throw him when it comes to his own motivations
so stoaked for this
i wonder if it will have stuff that was part of that weird dark musical or whatever the fuck that new morning grew out of
― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
feel like the biggest argument for self portrait as self sabotage is the live like a rolling stone, where Dylan completely flubs most of the lines. maybe bob just thought it was funny?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link