I thought it was good
― tylerw, Monday, 4 September 2023 01:50 (eight months ago) link
Ha I thought it was an intentional joke on Niko’s end tbh― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included)
― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included)
yeah seriously this is just how a lot of queer people _talk_ haha
you wanna talk about capitalization that nearly gave me a heart attack, how about this:
If news breaks today that whatever madlib of an elder rockstar is transphobic
jesus christ stratis if you hadn't said "rockstar" in there...
it's interesting because i do come at it from a different angle than stratis... i don't want to have a _voice_, i want a world that neither needs or wants my voice on trans issues, because there _is_ no "trans debate", because anybody who is transphobic is a bigot and is treated accordingly. that's a completely unrealistic expectation but fuck it, i'm a trans woman, "realistic expectations" haven't really done much for me
i also want people to pay me for existing, because existing is hard and i deserve to get paid way more for it than i am now
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2023 02:13 (eight months ago) link
actually let me amend that, i definitely want a world that wants my voice on trans issues, i just think the major trans issue of the day should be "just how hot are trans people? very hot or extremely hot?" (the answer, of course, is "why not both?")
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2023 02:15 (eight months ago) link
do people think that Swift in prison piece is bad? i think it's really good.
― alpine static, Monday, 4 September 2023 06:15 (eight months ago) link
I thought it was good, for sure
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 4 September 2023 07:49 (eight months ago) link
your feelings on it probably vary depending on your tolerance for taytay's cultural ubiquity
― imago, Monday, 4 September 2023 09:06 (eight months ago) link
Good first line.
This is what your 9th Grade English teacher means when she says "give your essay a strong opener." https://t.co/NSwu33OC5J— Rohita Kadambi (@RohitaKadambi) September 4, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 September 2023 10:28 (eight months ago) link
Tory boy who claims to love Aphex Twin "reviews" his recent gig. Several paras of banal reminiscences and scene setting, one clueless one about the performance itself that can be summarised as "it's just a bunch of noise".
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-50-quid-hour-and-a-bit-troll-aphex-twin-at-field-day-reviewed/
― Composition 40b (Stew), Monday, 4 September 2023 14:34 (eight months ago) link
How has he never managed to hear any post-1994 Aphex before? Oh, because he's literally only heard SAW1 and never bothered to check out anything else by this artist he "loves".
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 September 2023 14:40 (eight months ago) link
I'm hardly an Aphex expert, but I know there's more to him than SAW1. The one time I saw him live, he was supported by The Bug and Wolf Eyes. Nuff said.
A reactionary review in the fascist Spectator is a recommendation of course. The full set has been posted on Youtube and it's fantastic: loads of acid, chopped up Amen breaks, and a brutal Come To Daddy.
― Composition 40b (Stew), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:30 (eight months ago) link
The singer for Fat White Family has written one of those "you just can't say/do anything anymore" pieces for Unherd, a reactionary website masquerading as a "free thought zone" or whatthefuckever. People are just too timid and easily offended these days, he says, like so very many aging "punk" frontmen before him.
https://unherd.com/2023/09/punks-spirit-is-broken/
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:45 (eight months ago) link
those of you who know me, mark my words: if I ever meet Jann Wenner, and it's not outside the realm of possibility, weirder things have happened in my life, I'm gonna punch him in the mouth for the shit he says in his NYT interview here.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:21 (eight months ago) link
Q: I think it’s fair to say that the average reader assumes that what shows up in the publication is basically what was said. But you’re saying, actually the subjects go over the transcripts. And, for example, you got pilloried for reviewing Mick Jagger’s “Goddess in the Doorway,” giving it five stars, when the critical consensus on that album was that it was kind of a dud. The broader question is, when it comes to interviews with the people that you admire, who are also your friends, are you shading into something that’s a little more like fan service, or a kind of branding, than objective journalism?
A: Look, nothing was ever substantively changed from the original interviews. These are all minor changes that really get to accuracy and readability and all that stuff. Secondly, these were not meant to be confrontational interviews. They were always meant to be cooperative interviews.
Q:But there aren’t two kinds of interviews.
A: Yes, there are. The kind of interview I wanted to do was to elicit real thinking, not to confront or challenge or get somebody defensive. But let’s go to the underlying thing: Did my too-cozy relationships alter our coverage?
Q: That’s right.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:28 (eight months ago) link
That was something.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:35 (eight months ago) link
I have no idea when the last time I was this angry about a music-related piece anywhere. just such fucking bullshit, and such a giant shining indicator -- as if one were needed, but still -- of how much was lost, obscured, hidden, diminished, obviated by guys like this determining who did or didn't get the lead review, the front cover, the news item.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:36 (eight months ago) link
Insofar as the women, just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.
Oh, stop it. You’re telling me Joni Mitchell is not articulate enough on an intellectual level?
Hold on a second.
I’ll let you rephrase that.
All right, thank you. It’s not that they’re not creative geniuses. It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test. Not by her work, not by other interviews she did. The people I interviewed were the kind of philosophers of rock.
Of Black artists — you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as “masters,” the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:37 (eight months ago) link
Oh, stop it. You’re telling me Joni Mitchell is not articulate enough on an intellectual level?Hold on a second.I’ll let you rephrase that.A: All right, thank you. It’s not that they’re not creative geniuses. It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test. Not by her work, not by other interviews she did. The people I interviewed were the kind of philosophers of rock.Of Black artists — you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as “masters,” the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level.Q: How do you know if you didn’t give them a chance?A: Because I read interviews with them. I listen to their music. I mean, look at what Pete Townshend was writing about, or Jagger, or any of them. They were deep things about a particular generation, a particular spirit and a particular attitude about rock ’n’ roll. Not that the others weren’t, but these were the ones that could really articulate it.
A: All right, thank you. It’s not that they’re not creative geniuses. It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test. Not by her work, not by other interviews she did. The people I interviewed were the kind of philosophers of rock.
Q: How do you know if you didn’t give them a chance?
A: Because I read interviews with them. I listen to their music. I mean, look at what Pete Townshend was writing about, or Jagger, or any of them. They were deep things about a particular generation, a particular spirit and a particular attitude about rock ’n’ roll. Not that the others weren’t, but these were the ones that could really articulate it.
I can't be rational about how fucked up this is, it enrages me.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:39 (eight months ago) link
lol xp
Fat White Family are absolute garbage and I'm glad Unperson has included that piece in here. The inanity of its arguments aside, it's a terribly written piece. Lots of strained overwriting to show how clever and righteous he is.
― Composition 40b (Stew), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:44 (eight months ago) link
I cant read the article. Can anyone paste it for me please?
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:45 (eight months ago) link
You know, just for public relations sake, maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:45 (eight months ago) link
(the jann wenner thing, not the gobshite from fat shite family)
Would love to hear Grace Slick's retort about this guy.
― my brain goes aahhhh (morrisp), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:48 (eight months ago) link
Also this Wenner thing is appalling. Thinking Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger are deeper writers than the authors of What's Going On or There's No Place Like America Today...
― Composition 40b (Stew), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:49 (eight months ago) link
I cant imagine anybody saying Curtis Mayfield was inarticulate. Until now.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:50 (eight months ago) link
he is so fucking stupid that it is astounding that everyone in a position to know consistently attested to his incisive editing ability.
― veronica moser, Friday, 15 September 2023 14:51 (eight months ago) link
Dude's really talking like there's nothing they could have done differently with the UVA story
As we all know now, if somebody really wants to hoax you, there’s very little you can do about it. Except have the kind of hypervigilance that would mean you could probably publish nothing.
― jmm, Friday, 15 September 2023 14:52 (eight months ago) link
And of course the money quote about the 5 star review for Goddess in the Doorway:
“I confess: I probably went too far. So what? I’m entitled.”
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:54 (eight months ago) link
if somebody really wants to hoax you, there’s very little you can do about it.
just iconically dumb
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:55 (eight months ago) link
Sounds like a guy who's real fun on coke.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:55 (eight months ago) link
it was also often said that he was uncomfortable around black folks…like Touré, the first black RS staffer, scared him…TOURE!no question that he among much of the staff also considered black music of the time pandering show biz crap, compared to the oracular musing of Jagger, Dylan, Boss, Townshend, etc
― veronica moser, Friday, 15 September 2023 14:55 (eight months ago) link
What didn’t the rock ’n’ roll generation do? I mean, it didn’t get everything done. But I have no fundamental, deep criticisms. Is there something that you think we didn’t get right?
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 15 September 2023 14:56 (eight months ago) link
^ possibly the most boomer thing anyone's ever said
― jmm, Friday, 15 September 2023 14:59 (eight months ago) link
fitting that he ends up arguing against one of his Rock Philosopher Kings
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:00 (eight months ago) link
"We didn't blow it"
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:00 (eight months ago) link
They didn't do ALL the drugs, and thus left some over for the next generation
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:01 (eight months ago) link
the wrong kind of eyes
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 15 September 2023 15:01 (eight months ago) link
He could talk to all the 14 year olds the rock stars had sex with but they probably aren't that articulate
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:02 (eight months ago) link
I mistakenly thought that the interview was old. Y’know, like from his self-loathing and closeted years, making unto straight white guitar heroes some sort of unattainable ideal. That might have almost made some sense. But … Jesus. Hope this turns into a pod ep of Bad Gays
― 50 Best Fellas (Eric H.), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:24 (eight months ago) link
those of you who know me, mark my words: if I ever meet Jann Wenner, and it's not outside the realm of possibility, weirder things have happened in my life, I'm gonna punch him in the mouth for the shit he says in his NYT interview here.🕸
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:26 (eight months ago) link
I never knew how much I needed a wenner episode of bad gays
it's like he went out of his way to confirm all of the worst rumours about him
I haven't read that sticky fingers book but apparently he didn't learn a thing from that experience
― die cis scum (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:30 (eight months ago) link
sounds like he hasn't learned a thing since 1972
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:31 (eight months ago) link
he's turned into Glenn Frey
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:34 (eight months ago) link
i could barely read that interview after reading the segment posted here upthread.
lord, what a cumquat
― Make the chats AI (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 September 2023 15:40 (eight months ago) link
the part where he says maybe he should have included "one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism." the fucking nerve
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 September 2023 16:29 (eight months ago) link
for whatever reason i can only hear that bit about 'philosophers of rock' in longmont potion castle's voice
― ufo, Friday, 15 September 2023 16:36 (eight months ago) link
lol
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 September 2023 16:47 (eight months ago) link
i feel like ilx has existed for 23 years almost purely for this moment of apotheosis & righteous fury haha, or at least this thread has. Nemesis hath arisen, slavering
― imago, Friday, 15 September 2023 16:47 (eight months ago) link
end boss of rockism
― imago, Friday, 15 September 2023 16:48 (eight months ago) link
the audacity of him mentioning Curtis Mayfield as being lacking compared to these dudes is just infuriating. Mayfield was a genius, maybe one of the most talented musicians of the century....he literally did everything better than those guys, he was a producer, arranger, songwriter, amazing guitar player, produced tons of stuff for other artist, ran a record label. he even had his own guitar tuning he invented himself. fucking Bono? Jagger? these guys aren't even in the same realm as Mayfield
(guitar tuning article)https://www.premierguitar.com/digging-deeper-curtis-mayfield
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2023 16:58 (eight months ago) link