RÓISÍN MURPHY

any take which implies the person writing it is the ultimate arbiter of what's good and what's bad is arrogant and annoying

I dont know who DJ Koze is but has he made a statement one way or the other in the wake of this?

This absurd vitriol about the album is making me want to hear it more and that's a bad thing.

I think these debates always end up focusing so much on "fandom" and "ok to like" to the exclusion of the main reason I think of when I decide to no longer support an artist - money. A recently deceased outsider Jazz artist and dead anti-semitic poets are a bad fit for Murphy, who is an artist with a new album to promote. I'd never buy a ticket for a new Polanski film, but am happy to watch The Tenant or Rosemary's Baby because he's unlikely to benefit from that in any way (specially if I pirate it). I don't want Murphy to benefit financially from her bigotry right now, if 80 years some ppl dig up this record and decide it rules that's fine.

― Daniel_Rf

I agree with this. Supporting her at the moment is giving her a voice and a platform for a bunch of twitter transphobes to hop on.

as for an actually substantive post to respond to, yeah, Daniel Rf, the money thing is the big element, but I still mention the noxious views of certain writers when I teach them.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)

This is the correct way to approach decades old content imho. I think history and art shouldn’t be erased or censored. Guiding students on how certain views or immoral people/content were normalized and laureated even when they had hurtful things in them is an important part of forming criteria.

Excluding an allegedly Irish woman from Irishness was a deliberate acknowledgement of the fact that the rise of TERFdom seems to be primarily a UK phenomenon, and is being heavily resisted in Ireland, because Irish people aren’t assholes.

There's as many assholes in Ireland as anywhere. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Ireland is gallantly resisting the rise of TERFdom either.

Everywhere shines compared to the UK at the moment

Probably but let's leave the green tinted spectacles to one side for a moment.

Having been to Boston, I can confirm that the Irish are the most tolerant people on Earth

Russia just passed a bill banning all gender-affirming healthcare, so probably up there with the UK

This absurd vitriol about the album is making me want to hear it more and that's a bad thing.

Russian Murphy

Excluding an allegedly Irish woman from Irishness was a deliberate acknowledgement of the fact that the rise of TERFdom seems to be primarily a UK phenomenon, and is being heavily resisted in Ireland, because Irish people aren’t assholes. My regrets abt last nights “raisin” posts are not because I have any anti-Irish sentiment in me but because there’s an overtone of ageism that is unnecessary, and for that I apologize

Yes, I am surprised that writers misjudged a record that is bad from any angle, in any context; it’s not a question of taste, this album is dogshit with bleach sauce.

I mean I guess ultimately I don't believe that any piece of art can objectively be good or bad, or that there are any objective facts over the quality of art, that an opinion is by definition subjective and that anyone who suggests otherwise is either a fool or a charlatan, but I have no wish whatsoever to hear this record so I'll peace out of this argument tbh

Well, to you gyac, and other Irish posters and readers, I offer my apologies! I hoped my own part-Irish genetics and general enthusiasm for the country and it’s culture would give me a pass, but it was a stupid assumption on my end and I am sorry.

Thank you.

I dont know who DJ Koze is but has he made a statement one way or the other in the wake of this?

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm)

Dj Koze is a fantastic oddball producer, his solo and remix work is definitely worth a listen. He’s not very active on social media iirc, I think he has an ig account but he mostly posts new releases. He doesn’t do much interviews either… I’m not aware of his current stance about this but wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t say anything. He worked on-off this album for years and he should be proud about his work. I’d be angry and frustrated at the whole situation since it was so easily avoidable and fixable.

As someone of Irish descent I hereby give fgti permission to mock the Irish

Roisin has some classic songs, this album is a creative flop, it kind of sucks to feel like people can only be honest about this stuff when the person is Problematic in some fatally flawed way

Here’s an interview for the Guardian. It confirms he doesn’t like social media much and it’s his first interview in five years. It was done before this shitshow:

https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/02/demons-dj-koze-summer-anthem-genius-bangermeister

As someone of Irish descent I hereby give fgti permission to mock the Irish

I’ve returned your permission slip to you D-40, unredeemed, with appreciation.

Generally in life and on this board I reserve my enthusiasm for “things that are great” and I’m myself jarred at reading my own responses regarding “something that is bad”, I’m gonna put the hater gloves back in the shed

If that's in reference to my post may I clarify you are welcome and indeed encouraged to hate on a piece of music as hard as you like, it's healthy, but I do believe that the opposing opinion can be just as valid for those who hold it.

honestly I think questions of "is this good" or not are irrelevant right now. I've enjoyed her work in the past and I can't listen to it now because she's chosen evil

You Liked Her But She's Chosen Darkness

How far does the “TERFdom is a primarily UK phenomenon” argument go? Is Wales as TERFY as England? Milton Keynes more or less TERFY than Dundee?
Would be great to get more insight about the country I live in from people who may well have never set foot here.

I don’t really think “is it good or not” is irrelevant. All of a sudden you *can* separate art from artist as long as it’s done wokely?

Not really clear on the 'it' there

It seems to me a lot of ppl find her perspective sheds a new light on the music for them so it seems like if it’s good or not is a pertinent, contingent question

who gives a shit what a boring irrelevant debate

sorry to be grouchy just the anti-irish / patronising Irish stuff is a bit unbelievable to see here

I can assure you it isn’t

fair point

She’s a book from the 80sreel from dave chang trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave.

as for geographic disparities in UK terfdom levels that would be a question worth investigating if it was meant in earnest and wasn't just kneejerk bristling over americans noticing embarrassing things

the only TERF I personally know lives in Wales but is actually American

as for geographic disparities in UK terfdom levels that would be a question worth investigating if it was meant in earnest and wasn't just kneejerk bristling over americans noticing embarrassing things

You mean like there being no assholes in Ireland so Roisin Murphy should be considered British?

yeah a lot of people are saying both of those things

That's what people were bristling over afaict, but feel free to imagine otherwise.

think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere else

sorry I should have said irish people noticing embarrassing things

I can think of a few high profile media figures in Portugal who've gone terf recently in the wake of JK Rowling's bullshit. In the end media hack solidarity is stronger than any kind of national identity really.

who gives a shit what a boring irrelevant debate

― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

What’s irrelevant exactly? People have shared their perspective on how this entire thing affects their experience of the music the whole thread — not sure what’s irrelevant about that.

I can assure you it isn’t

― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes save the patronizing for “the diaspora”

think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere else

The Sherburne piece says she moved to Brigante’s villa in Ibiza about three and a half years ago, to escape lockdown. Whether this has any bearing on her now exhibiting facebook brainworms is an exercise for the armchair speculator.

the art/artist debate is tired and has been used to prop up the worst people in entertainment for decades so I have no patience for it xp

*xps

Big Bren, giddy like a schoolboy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/14/roisin-murphy-olivia-rodrigo-no1-album-after-trans-row/

Fans have rushed to buy the record, urged on by comedy writer and gender-critical campaigner Graham Linehan and Brendan O’Neill, the author and free-speech advocate, who have enjoined their online followers to support Murphy.

O’Neill told The Telegraph: “It looks like cancel culture has finally met its match.

“The digital inquisition thought it could drag Murphy down but they’ve had a rude awakening.

“Loads of people are buying her album, firstly because it’s brilliant, and secondly because they want to show solidarity with a woman who was so ruthlessly and unfairly demonised by woke loons."

do we have to post all this shit we already know how it goes

Is it interfering with the clear-eyed assessment of the album that you bookmarked this thread for?

Interestingly the one post that she's liked pertaining to this whole saga is this one...

You've just given an apology to Glinner. It undermines your claims to be against people exploiting LGBT people for their own ends.

You also have most of the press to back you up, so hardly some voice in the wilderness. All you're doing is making the world worse for LGBT people.

— Bjerkley (@Bjerkeley) September 5, 2023