This absurd vitriol about the album is making me want to hear it more and that's a bad thing.
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link
Russian Murphy
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link
Excluding an allegedly Irish woman from Irishness was a deliberate acknowledgement of the fact that the rise of TERFdom seems to be primarily a UK phenomenon, and is being heavily resisted in Ireland, because Irish people aren’t assholes. My regrets abt last nights “raisin” posts are not because I have any anti-Irish sentiment in me but because there’s an overtone of ageism that is unnecessary, and for that I apologize
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
Yes, I am surprised that writers misjudged a record that is bad from any angle, in any context; it’s not a question of taste, this album is dogshit with bleach sauce.
I mean I guess ultimately I don't believe that any piece of art can objectively be good or bad, or that there are any objective facts over the quality of art, that an opinion is by definition subjective and that anyone who suggests otherwise is either a fool or a charlatan, but I have no wish whatsoever to hear this record so I'll peace out of this argument tbh
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
Well, to you gyac, and other Irish posters and readers, I offer my apologies! I hoped my own part-Irish genetics and general enthusiasm for the country and it’s culture would give me a pass, but it was a stupid assumption on my end and I am sorry.
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
Thank you.
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
I dont know who DJ Koze is but has he made a statement one way or the other in the wake of this?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm)
Dj Koze is a fantastic oddball producer, his solo and remix work is definitely worth a listen. He’s not very active on social media iirc, I think he has an ig account but he mostly posts new releases. He doesn’t do much interviews either… I’m not aware of his current stance about this but wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t say anything. He worked on-off this album for years and he should be proud about his work. I’d be angry and frustrated at the whole situation since it was so easily avoidable and fixable.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
As someone of Irish descent I hereby give fgti permission to mock the Irish
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link
Roisin has some classic songs, this album is a creative flop, it kind of sucks to feel like people can only be honest about this stuff when the person is Problematic in some fatally flawed way
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
Here’s an interview for the Guardian. It confirms he doesn’t like social media much and it’s his first interview in five years. It was done before this shitshow:
https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/02/demons-dj-koze-summer-anthem-genius-bangermeister
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:20 (one year ago) link
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:22 (one year ago) link
I’ve returned your permission slip to you D-40, unredeemed, with appreciation.
Generally in life and on this board I reserve my enthusiasm for “things that are great” and I’m myself jarred at reading my own responses regarding “something that is bad”, I’m gonna put the hater gloves back in the shed
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:23 (one year ago) link
If that's in reference to my post may I clarify you are welcome and indeed encouraged to hate on a piece of music as hard as you like, it's healthy, but I do believe that the opposing opinion can be just as valid for those who hold it.
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link
honestly I think questions of "is this good" or not are irrelevant right now. I've enjoyed her work in the past and I can't listen to it now because she's chosen evil
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link
You Liked Her But She's Chosen Darkness
― henry s, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link
How far does the “TERFdom is a primarily UK phenomenon” argument go? Is Wales as TERFY as England? Milton Keynes more or less TERFY than Dundee? Would be great to get more insight about the country I live in from people who may well have never set foot here.
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:38 (one year ago) link
I don’t really think “is it good or not” is irrelevant. All of a sudden you *can* separate art from artist as long as it’s done wokely?
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link
Not really clear on the 'it' there
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
It seems to me a lot of ppl find her perspective sheds a new light on the music for them so it seems like if it’s good or not is a pertinent, contingent question
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
who gives a shit what a boring irrelevant debate
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
sorry to be grouchy just the anti-irish / patronising Irish stuff is a bit unbelievable to see here
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
I can assure you it isn’t
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link
fair point
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
She’s a book from the 80sreel from dave chang trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave.
― The Xenaverse Connection (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link
as for geographic disparities in UK terfdom levels that would be a question worth investigating if it was meant in earnest and wasn't just kneejerk bristling over americans noticing embarrassing things
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
the only TERF I personally know lives in Wales but is actually American
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
You mean like there being no assholes in Ireland so Roisin Murphy should be considered British?
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link
yeah a lot of people are saying both of those things
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
That's what people were bristling over afaict, but feel free to imagine otherwise.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere else
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
sorry I should have said irish people noticing embarrassing things
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
I can think of a few high profile media figures in Portugal who've gone terf recently in the wake of JK Rowling's bullshit. In the end media hack solidarity is stronger than any kind of national identity really.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
What’s irrelevant exactly? People have shared their perspective on how this entire thing affects their experience of the music the whole thread — not sure what’s irrelevant about that.
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes save the patronizing for “the diaspora”
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link
think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere elseThe Sherburne piece says she moved to Brigante’s villa in Ibiza about three and a half years ago, to escape lockdown. Whether this has any bearing on her now exhibiting facebook brainworms is an exercise for the armchair speculator.
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
the art/artist debate is tired and has been used to prop up the worst people in entertainment for decades so I have no patience for it xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
*xps
Big Bren, giddy like a schoolboy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/14/roisin-murphy-olivia-rodrigo-no1-album-after-trans-row/
Fans have rushed to buy the record, urged on by comedy writer and gender-critical campaigner Graham Linehan and Brendan O’Neill, the author and free-speech advocate, who have enjoined their online followers to support Murphy.O’Neill told The Telegraph: “It looks like cancel culture has finally met its match.“The digital inquisition thought it could drag Murphy down but they’ve had a rude awakening.“Loads of people are buying her album, firstly because it’s brilliant, and secondly because they want to show solidarity with a woman who was so ruthlessly and unfairly demonised by woke loons."
O’Neill told The Telegraph: “It looks like cancel culture has finally met its match.
“The digital inquisition thought it could drag Murphy down but they’ve had a rude awakening.
“Loads of people are buying her album, firstly because it’s brilliant, and secondly because they want to show solidarity with a woman who was so ruthlessly and unfairly demonised by woke loons."
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:05 (one year ago) link
do we have to post all this shit we already know how it goes
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:11 (one year ago) link
Is it interfering with the clear-eyed assessment of the album that you bookmarked this thread for?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:16 (one year ago) link
Interestingly the one post that she's liked pertaining to this whole saga is this one...
You've just given an apology to Glinner. It undermines your claims to be against people exploiting LGBT people for their own ends.You also have most of the press to back you up, so hardly some voice in the wilderness. All you're doing is making the world worse for LGBT people.— Bjerkley (@Bjerkeley) September 5, 2023
― NickB, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:17 (one year ago) link
According to the BBC yesterday, Rodrigo has sold more than the rest of the top ten combined
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:19 (one year ago) link
hey Andrew stfu
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:26 (one year ago) link
well what do you suggest we use the Roisin Murphy thread for
I agree that it's all very depressing and predictable but venting about that is p much all there is at the moment imo
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:28 (one year ago) link
idk kill it
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:29 (one year ago) link
or just post whatever and let me be pissy about it
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:31 (one year ago) link
Apologies, I forgot you're in charge of the thread.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:36 (one year ago) link
That sounds about right.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:38 (one year ago) link
maybe worth considering why some people might be more invested than others xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:40 (one year ago) link
You more than anyone else, of course.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:42 (one year ago) link