There's this, which I should seriously start using more: https://resonate.coop/
But as always I imagine the difficulty is getting a critical mass of users to transition...
xp
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 16:33 (seven months ago) link
unfortunately, you need a lot of money to make it a thing. and when you need a lot of money you need to go to the money people. why can't any of these asshat tech billionaires fund something cool like that? and then never get involved with it. like a tax write-off.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 16:37 (seven months ago) link
it gets worse
This guy uses Bandcamp's back end to annoy anonymous artists' via their personal email accounts (he did it to a band I was in and also a friend of mine who prefers to keep a low profile). That's not journalism, that's a data breach. https://t.co/8HySoFH137— jon 🎃 (@ronofjosenthal) October 24, 2023
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 18:52 (seven months ago) link
Post has been deleted?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 18:57 (seven months ago) link
feel weird posting this (but also can't you still see deleted tweets if you log out?):
This guy uses Bandcamp's back end to annoy anonymous artists' via their personal email accounts (he did it to a band I was in and also a friend of mine who prefers to keep a low profile). That's not journalism, that's a data breach. https://t.co/8HySoFH137— jon 🎃 (@ronofjosenthal) October 24, 2023
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 18:59 (seven months ago) link
Sorry I wasn't clear -- the embed is still visible here but the actual post over there got deleted.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 19:08 (seven months ago) link
have known that dude parasocially/professionally since forever, like at eMusic, this is a real disappointment. the "these people make plenty of money, they don't need a union" schtick is so basic and wrong. you know who they don't make as much money as? the bosses! "unions only for people whose jobs suck" is a really stupid position to take
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 19:26 (seven months ago) link
what does "annoy anonymous artists" mean?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:17 (seven months ago) link
like shitposting them unprovoked?
I was trying to figure that out before tweeter deleted the tweet
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:17 (seven months ago) link
prob trying to get interviews? point being that the email address was supposed to be private.
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:21 (seven months ago) link
sounds like a shitheel through and through.
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:28 (seven months ago) link
i'm guessing the tweet above wasn't deleted for reasons of factual inaccuracy as much as "having second thoughts about having livelihood destroyed for sticking neck out", which is understandable
I also wrote for eMusic from 2007-2009 and am angry and depressed.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 21:22 (seven months ago) link
holy shit i wrote stuff for emusic. i had no memory of it until now. i don't know who asked me to. or what i wrote.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 22:26 (seven months ago) link
I reviewed Jon Meacham's Andrew Jackson, among other things.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 22:31 (seven months ago) link
Resonate looks promising but it's balls-achingly slow.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:37 (seven months ago) link
Honest question, is there something cost prohibitive about specifically shipping to the U.S. from Belgium? I've ordered plenty of things from foreign countries through Bandcamp - from Poland, Italy, England, India, Japan, France, etc etc. But the shipping costs I've been seeing from this Belgian label are on a whole different level:
for a single CD:
that’s $13.70 USD, plus $21.07 shipping for United States.
that’s $23.18 USD, plus $23.18 shipping for United States.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 October 2023 13:59 (seven months ago) link
i just shipped a single CD from the UK to the USA and was charged £18.80 which is $22.75 at the post office which seemed crazy to me but i never normally send CDs so maybe it is right.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 26 October 2023 16:43 (seven months ago) link
Belgium's postal service seems very fucked up. I have a guy who buys CDs from my label, and when I send them to him not only do I have to send it using my personal address, not my business address, as the return address, I have to specify that it's a gift on the customs form, and send him a separate email telling him that I've sent him a gift, otherwise they'll charge him like $30 for customs duties. And it costs close to $20 in postage from the US to Belgium, but that's typical — it's about $20 for a single CD anywhere in Europe or Asia.
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 26 October 2023 16:52 (seven months ago) link
Tom Hawking on it all:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/27/epic-games-bandcamp-acquired-sondtradr
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:56 (seven months ago) link
Bandcamp doesn’t seem particularly clever or hard to replicate. If they fail and the business model is sound (do you see what I did there), then someone will come along and do the same thing. It has a really dumb name anyway, it could use a rebrand.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 27 October 2023 16:11 (seven months ago) link
maybe, but getting every label to jump to a new platform is easier said than done. there have been loads of soundcloud replacements but nothing ever managed to really replace it. i like the name fwiw.
― stirmonster, Friday, 27 October 2023 16:39 (seven months ago) link
name is kind of dumb, but has managed to overcome the american pie association, imo.and i'm assuming it's less annoying than what would replace it, eg rcdstr or vinlhvn,
― mizzell, Friday, 27 October 2023 16:41 (seven months ago) link
bndcmp
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 October 2023 17:06 (seven months ago) link
There’s no association beyond actual band camp for those of us who went to band camp.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 27 October 2023 17:21 (seven months ago) link
lol yes, american pie does not own that phrase in my world
bndcmp feels a little out of date tho, now it would just be bands.ai
― rob, Friday, 27 October 2023 18:01 (seven months ago) link
the name sucks and fuck you for this weakass criticism
― BEWARE! SPOOKY! BOO! (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 October 2023 20:57 (seven months ago) link
Ok overstated sorry
― BEWARE! SPOOKY! BOO! (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 October 2023 21:00 (seven months ago) link
lmao
― rob, Friday, 27 October 2023 21:07 (seven months ago) link
I doubt Bandcamp’s business model was sound.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 27 October 2023 21:08 (seven months ago) link
Idg this...investors aside, their cut of every record sold (except for Bandcamp Fridays) didn't outweigh the operating costs of servers, salaries, and freelance writer fees?
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 27 October 2023 21:17 (seven months ago) link
i do wonder how bandcamp Fridays skewed sales, possibly away from them.
― koogs, Friday, 27 October 2023 21:31 (seven months ago) link
In that case I think going back in time and eliminating Bandcamp Friday and never getting into bed with Epic Games and Sontradr would be an acceptable compromise
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 27 October 2023 21:37 (seven months ago) link
Bandcamp Friday is still going. I also think they benefited in myriad ways from those Fridays. They massively increased awareness of BC and reinforced in a lot of minds that this was a site about more than just making profit. there is definitely a type of BC customer and this fed right into their values. it was a shrewd thing to do as well as the right thing to.
― stirmonster, Friday, 27 October 2023 22:04 (seven months ago) link
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, October 27, 2023 4:08 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
??? how was it not
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Friday, 27 October 2023 23:22 (seven months ago) link
I took it as a pretty good dad joke
― beard papa, Friday, 27 October 2023 23:54 (seven months ago) link
Important story at RA here -- Bandcamp United has filed an Unfair Labour Practice complaint against both Epic and Songtradr.
https://ra.co/news/79756
Some details:
Last month, Epic Games sold Bandcamp to Songtradr in the midst of lay-offs, and in the process also terminated at least 50 percent of Bandcamp's staff. None of the eight members of Bandcamp United's Collective Bargaining Committee received offers....Earlier this week, Bandcamp United also shared some stats about the Bandcamp lay-offs. The company's Black employees went from 19 to four amid the cuts, meaning the number of Black people at the company had been reduced by 79 percent overnight.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:49 (seven months ago) link
Last bandcamp Friday I got Speedy J's remastered 1990-2010 discography at 50% off and it's like 95% amazing (including two FAX ambient records I didn't know about & lots of classic singles too) - https://speedyj.bandcamp.com/
― StanM, Friday, 3 November 2023 18:39 (seven months ago) link
very nice
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 3 November 2023 19:37 (seven months ago) link
I'm not taking my BC page down, but I am creating a stand-alone website for my label so people can order CDs directly.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 5 November 2023 02:30 (seven months ago) link
This may not be the right forum for this type of question but hopefully someone can help. I placed an order for a record on Bandcamp early last month. The platform gave an expected delivery date of mid month to the end of the month. I didn't receive so dropped a message to ask where it was and the guidance was to wait a 'week or two'. Then it would be a PayPal dispute. I haven't heard anything. The label has messaged me with new releases so I tried to do the same message again but not sure it's sending anything. I don't want to dispute.. and I'm happy to wait a month if that's the challenge. Perhaps I'm being impatient..
― mmmm, Friday, 10 November 2023 14:57 (seven months ago) link
Have you emailed the label directly — like, at the email address they're using to tell you about their new releases — or just used Bandcamp's system? Try contacting them directly via their website or something.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 10 November 2023 15:37 (seven months ago) link
Take those expected delivery dates with a big pinch of salt. If you go to your Purchases page, does it indicate that it’s been shipped at all?
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 10 November 2023 17:27 (seven months ago) link
Post from the union announcing a health solidarity fund to assist those who were laid off:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Czt2jLKu5SJ/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 November 2023 18:37 (seven months ago) link
Fuckin' jeez.
https://aftermath.site/bandcamp-just-trying-to-keep-the-lights-on-following-epic-sale-layoffs
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 November 2023 21:38 (six months ago) link
holy crap ned that’s a lot summary hamy personal biz model is apple music never ever spotify as soon as i like it but on bandcamp. this covers a lot of shit i like. but for months now i don’t wanna go to spotifybtw i’m open to any better model for sure that’s reasonably accessible (?)
― digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Monday, 20 November 2023 21:57 (six months ago) link
thanks for the link. so depressing - what a world!
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 01:01 (six months ago) link
very minor but nevertheless annoying Bandcamp design flaw: you bought the LP elsewhere (ie direct from a label or distro, discogs, real life) but wanna listen to the digital while you are doing something that requires you to be away from your turntable, and when you try playing the album on the site it keeps interrupting to tell you it's time to open your wallet. I keep wanting to reply with a photo of me holding the record, like "I have opened my wallet! There are other places to buy things other than Bandcamp!"
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 14 December 2023 16:09 (six months ago) link
sounds like what you want is a kind of Ultraviolet scheme for music - https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/31/18204943/ultraviolet-locker-shutdown-date
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 December 2023 16:36 (six months ago) link
This is why mp3s are your friend, but I hear you I've been in that situation when my files weren't handy
― Evan, Thursday, 14 December 2023 16:47 (six months ago) link