inside out, outside in
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:03 (ten months ago) link
Not writing but I don’t think we have a worst music-related podcast thread.
Dissect from Ringer - the episode on “Nosetalgia” starts out by explaining ‘nose - which you use to snort cocaine’ and nostalgia, followed quickly by ‘Johnson and Johnson makes baby powder, used to cut cocaine.’
I had to bail at that point.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 November 2023 20:17 (nine months ago) link
I mean, what did you honestly expect from a 56 minute podcast about one Pusha T song
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 November 2023 20:31 (nine months ago) link
wait so there's a Pusha T song about coke?
― symsymsym, Friday, 24 November 2023 21:16 (nine months ago) link
Bandsplain and 60 Songs That Explain The '90s aren't bad, I expected more of that than 7th grade essay.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 November 2023 22:45 (nine months ago) link
Why does 60 Songs That Explain the 90s have 111 episodes?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 25 November 2023 00:59 (nine months ago) link
the '90s never ended
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 25 November 2023 01:30 (nine months ago) link
There's 52 episodes about the "girls who Abercrombie and Fitch" song
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 25 November 2023 01:50 (nine months ago) link
Similarly I had the “Switched on Pop” podcast recommended to me after the dudes treated some basic double entendres in a Weeknd song like rich and evocative symbolism
― intheblanks, Saturday, 25 November 2023 02:17 (nine months ago) link
“And I dropped it after I heard the dudes” I mean
lol Halfway
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 25 November 2023 03:14 (nine months ago) link
woof: https://www.spin.com/2023/12/album-of-the-year-killer-mike-michael/
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 03:13 (eight months ago) link
Layers upon layers of stink in there.
― BrianB, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 03:35 (eight months ago) link
Michael is for Killer Mike's given name
whoa
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 03:59 (eight months ago) link
oh my god what the fuck is that
― ivy., Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:01 (eight months ago) link
what blathering dreck!
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:04 (eight months ago) link
lmao that suuuucks
― rob, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:16 (eight months ago) link
That's sad.
― jmm, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:18 (eight months ago) link
tempted to start a poll for everyone's favourite line in this piece
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:20 (eight months ago) link
1st reaction was OK dad, 2nd reaction was this is overwrought and underwritten at the same time how is this dude a publisher, then he dissed the pitchfork person and things got exciting for a minute but he denies us a decent rant and just gestures at the bootstraps party line of his class which is honestly a bit of a letdown, he clearly sees Mike as a fellow capitalist striver
he definitely writes like the kind of guy who inherited his dad's porn empire and published nude pics of teenagers to sell his own magazine while also sexually harassing his employees
― Left, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:23 (eight months ago) link
https://ximage.c-spanvideo.org/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwaWN0dXJlcy5jLXNwYW52aWRlby5vcmciLCJrZXkiOiJGaWxlc1wvZGJhXC8xNjQyNC0xNTI1OC0xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJmaXQiOiJjb3ZlciIsImhlaWdodCI6MjAwLCJ3aWR0aCI6MjAwfX19
"I’m not a fan of most rap, and of what I do like I prefer old school to new."
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:29 (eight months ago) link
well, fuck, that didn't work out the way I wanted it to
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:30 (eight months ago) link
I think Omni Magazine was his passion project, not Spin. In it’s 80s-90s heyday Spin was essential reading
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:34 (eight months ago) link
I like getting a peek behind the curtain and seeing the failupwardsons that run everything now and how little they bring to the table in terms of ideas and how their one ideological move is always meritocracy which is refuted by their own existence
― Left, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:47 (eight months ago) link
Last September, the rapper Killer Mike was DJing hip-hop classics like Snoop Dogg’s Ain’t No Fun at a music festival afterparty in Louisville, Kentucky. “The inspiration for the night’s set is freedom of speech, so say what the fuck you want!” he told a crowd of hundreds. Killer Mike, half of the duo Run the Jewels, is known for speaking out against police brutality and racial injustice, as well as campaigning for Bernie Sanders.But this night’s set was co-sponsored by Stand Together Music, an organization backed by the libertarian billionaire Charles Koch, who made his fortune in fossil fuels. Other sponsors of the party included the free-speech group Fire (which has received millions of dollars in contributions from the Charles G Koch charitable foundation), as well as the music outlet Spin, an official partner of Stand Together Music.
But this night’s set was co-sponsored by Stand Together Music, an organization backed by the libertarian billionaire Charles Koch, who made his fortune in fossil fuels. Other sponsors of the party included the free-speech group Fire (which has received millions of dollars in contributions from the Charles G Koch charitable foundation), as well as the music outlet Spin, an official partner of Stand Together Music.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/07/koch-family-stand-together-music
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 06:08 (eight months ago) link
― rob, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 06:10 (eight months ago) link
I feel bad for the section editor, who presumably / hopefully cringed the whole way through that process, starting when Bob messaged one day and was like "This is the best rap record in decades, I'll write about it for album of the year!" ... and from that point there was no stopping it.
Maybe it didn't go that way, but you can picture it.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 17:53 (eight months ago) link
Banging Left posts
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 17:58 (eight months ago) link
Enthusiasts of this style may appreciate Charles Lyons-Burt, who "covers the government contracting industry by day and culture by night." Certainly his eye-watering takes on contemporary hip-hop and rap albums capture the vibe and hustle of government contracting.https://www.slantmagazine.com/author/clyonsburt/
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 00:40 (eight months ago) link
I'm putting this Zachary Lipez essay about Pitchfork here because, while he makes some decent if obvious points, his prose style fills me with an unquenchable thirst for blood. I haaaaate this style of 21st century knowitall in-joke rockwritin', because it presumes an audience that gets all the references while bemoaning the fact that nobody reads this shit. I mean, maybe there's a connection between those two things?
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 22 February 2024 20:18 (seven months ago) link
You mean stuff like this:
At the end of January, overnight, with only eight years of buildup, Pitchfork went from being “The Most Trusted Voice in Music” to being as trusted as a big butt and a smile; with a reduced staff of Jeremy Larson +1 sharing a basement cubicle with Graydon Carter’s wig, the desiccated mummy of the last Details coverboy, and a spec script for a Ghostbusters remake where Bill Murray plays all the characters and is in a May/December relationship with a Japanese girlfriend.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 February 2024 20:26 (seven months ago) link
^ i didn't understand a word of that fwiw
― A street taco cart named Des'ree (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 22 February 2024 20:29 (seven months ago) link
AI prompt: Try too hard to be clever. Humorous hip artsy movie voice narration.
― Evan, Thursday, 22 February 2024 20:34 (seven months ago) link
in-joke rockwritin', because it presumes an audience that gets all the references while bemoaning the fact that nobody reads this shit. I mean, maybe there's a connection between those two things?
completely agree with you here -- relying on references to communicate a point is (at least part of) why no one wants to read music writing. i don't necessarily think it's a 21st c thing but it's def a music writing thing. not a fan!!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 February 2024 20:47 (seven months ago) link
Only so much can be gleaned from chatter picked up by hanging out at the Fishbone “Party at Ground Zero” Mall which stands across the street from P4K headquarters like a giant memorial food court. And there are limits to how much fruit a holiday text from one of Ryan Schreiber’s ex coke dealers might bear. But even an observer as disconnected as this writer received emails containing theories. These theories ranged from site-appropriate conspiracies of an inside job—with the role of the Mossad being played by ex-Fader types bearing grudges—to the possibility of Pitchfork being hurt by a refusal to give special preference to artists/publicists important to other Condé Nast publications. The occasional middling review of Eurovision pablum and diaristic nepo-babies may seem like no big deal to peasants like you or I, but managers and publicists act on their own peculiar morality. Ron Laffitte has been indie rock’s monied whipping boy for twenty-five long years and maybe a 6.2 for Gracie Abrams was the final straw. Theory mongering, in this case, bears the pellucidity of old Pavement lyrics.
As well the theories should. For most analysts’ purposes, a love for Demolition Plot J-7 was enough. You don’t bring tequila to an Irish wake.
maybe he's going for early p4k style?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 February 2024 20:47 (seven months ago) link
i hate that writing not just because it presupposes the reader gets the references but also because it seems like a cover for saying nothing new whatsoever, and just trying to say it with style and not even a good style.
― omar little, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:03 (seven months ago) link
pretty funny that he positions himself as someone who might not otherwise be told theories about what's going on in the music writing world. feel like that is not really the case
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:05 (seven months ago) link
I like it, but I've been accused of doing hipster Dennis Miller schtick on this very site, so ymmv
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:15 (seven months ago) link
Also, it's a Substack
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:16 (seven months ago) link
Lester Bangs was a malign influence
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:18 (seven months ago) link
lol people pay for this insight, then
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:19 (seven months ago) link
No, no; our boy has moral objections to Substack. He publishes on Ghost.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:25 (seven months ago) link
I was just gonna say - that stuff reads like Knock-Off Whiney to me. (Whiney's works, imo. ZL's doesn't.)
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:29 (seven months ago) link
i like some of the music he digs up, but his tweets are at least half eye-rolls
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:30 (seven months ago) link
that's like someone's blog. that doesn't count for me. you can write anything on your own space.
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:32 (seven months ago) link
jeez louise no fair bringing whiney into this. he's a real riter.
i couldn't really read much of that thing above though. i think i'm just getting old.
i went looking for some old thing on google last night and i saw the very first rock review i ever wrote (for the VV) and it came out 25 years ago this month!! i felt like graydon carter's dessicated mummy or whatever. where does the time go.....
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:35 (seven months ago) link
xpost i know, but Lipez is a real writer, too. i'm not just comparing Whiney to a guy with a blog ... although yes, he wrote this on his blog, or newsletter, or whatever it is.
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:51 (seven months ago) link
Yeah, Lipez writes for zombie Creem. Which I haven't read, but I hope he's got someone reining him in a little bit more over there.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:58 (seven months ago) link
The phrase "hipper-than-thou" was coined for this sort of prose voice...
― gucci meme (theStalePrince), Thursday, 22 February 2024 22:40 (seven months ago) link
And there are limits to how much fruit a holiday text from one of Ryan Schreiber’s ex coke dealers might bear.
srsly our whiney would never. this is very bad. the guy is bad with prepositions, doesn't know the requirements of metaphor, actually writes "pellucidity."
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 22 February 2024 22:52 (seven months ago) link