Looks like that Carol Clerk "Kiss My Arse" book is ridiculously out of print and otherwise MIA.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:15 (five months ago) link
ugh i know i looked that up too! can’t even get it through inter-library loan :( :(
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:23 (five months ago) link
tipsy otmfm
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:34 (five months ago) link
Also I’ve been glad to see so many people talk about him as a singer and interpreter in addition to his songwriting. He was a GREAT singer, at least when he wasn’t too slurry to get through.
― bendy, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:59 (five months ago) link
Okay I may have said something about "Navigator" but then I thought about "A Pair of Brown Eyes."
I am not ready to listen to either one right now but they are out there if you want them.
― Iris Demented (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:14 (five months ago) link
I was so sad all day but “What A Wonderful World” was what truly set me bawling last night, absolute waterworks
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:21 (five months ago) link
This is a cool video, the band recording "Johnny Come Lately" with Steve Earle in 1988. Shane's clearly been sidelined and/or sidelined himself. Steve Lillywhite seems enthusiastic about the idea of people other than Shane stepping up. And this is the heart of Earle's cocaine years and seems like it. But it's still pretty awesome to see them all put a song together. It's a good tune, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_TZY7pihU
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:22 (five months ago) link
one of my alltime favorite Steve Earle songs <3 <3
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 December 2023 05:31 (five months ago) link
Had not seen/heard this, lovely of course. Can’t believe we lost both of them this year.
It's really f-ing sad that only a year ago, the two of them and Terry Hall were still with us. I knew they all had their struggles, physical and psychological, but it's still unbelievable that we'd lose all three so soon.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 2 December 2023 05:43 (five months ago) link
Just gonna chime in to say that Shane's "I will not be reconstructed" from Sunny Side of the Street is such a powerful delivery... it's so immediate... as direct as music can get...
RIP
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 2 December 2023 07:20 (five months ago) link
ha fascinating pogues/earle video-- he's an artist i never listened to, actually out of respect to him sorta. ain't my genre, i bring too much luggage, he has always seemed cool basically, it's been like...that's enough.
― digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Saturday, 2 December 2023 15:52 (five months ago) link
i LOVE that Steve Earle song -- there is a similarity between him and Shane in my mind because both seemed like real honest to goodness romantics. Fuckups for sure, but hearts of gold. It's a characteristic I responded to a lot when I was younger and I could never really put my finger on it. It's definitely real though.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 2 December 2023 16:13 (five months ago) link
poll: who’s more authentic than shane macgowan?
― digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:34 (five months ago) link
just as an aside if anyone wants to make a difficult music quiz: link Sonic Youth & The Pogues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Tetras
― StanM, Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:25 (five months ago) link
I’ve had Jamie Stewart sobbing “I never got my degree, chachi / I never played in The Pogues” in my head these past days :(
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:46 (five months ago) link
I used to see Shane way back when, particularly in a record shop in Hanway Street. (I only just 'discovered' he 'worked' there, the number of times he looked more like he was hanging out with mates..)
Anyway, he was a face on the scene pre-pogues, and he did various bands that had plenty of enthusiasm behind them and when Pogue Machine first started it did seem at first it was fuelled by "I can do that" more than actual insight. But no, something had clicked into place right then. Suddenly, all this genius was right there!
There have been plenty of songwriter/performers who's early stuff, while not terrible, were clearly not quite there but had some sort of germ of what came after. I can't think of any who blossomed in quite the way Shane did.
I doubt he'll have the big posthumous surge in respect that Amy Winehouse got, but at least he got it while he was alive.
Anyway, there you go.
― Mark G, Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:27 (five months ago) link
Still stand by what I wrote in this thread, uhhh, TWENTY years ago. Only I don't believe it was hyperbolic enough.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 December 2023 05:26 (five months ago) link
Kind of shocked to discover there's no "collected lyrics" type book for Shane, aside from an out-of-print 1990 volume that goes for hundreds of dollars now. Maybe in the next couple years. I'm generally never interested in books like that but Shane is one of the few exceptions for me, one of the best to ever do it. Mark G otm, glad he got his flowers while he was here.
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 December 2023 13:28 (five months ago) link
Also I’ve been glad to see so many people talk about him as a singer and interpreter in addition to his songwriting. He was a GREAT singer, at least when he wasn’t too slurry to get through. And even sometimes then. His phrasing, sure, the gravelly gravity of his voice, but the key is something more like heart, feeling, emotional resonance. He can hit the full range within one verse of a song, from love to grief to regret to knowing humor. There was nothing artless about it, he knew what notes he was aiming for musically and emotionally, and he could be as brash or subtle as the moment needed.― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, December 1, 2023 9:12 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, December 1, 2023 9:12 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Something that has struck me, esp listening to RS&L is just how much care and inflection he puts on certain words and syllables to convey whatever it is he is trying put across.
For some reason the way his voice retreats into something closer to his speaking tone and then cuts off at the end of "Old Main Drag" just kills me every time.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 4 December 2023 14:39 (five months ago) link
Yeah, he was definitely one of the best bad singers. Like, even when he wasn't singing well, he brought something essential.
I wish I knew how to do that - be simultaneously bad and good at something.
― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:00 (five months ago) link
Still stand by what I wrote in this thread, uhhh, TWENTY years ago.
listening to podcasts that included a lot of strummer commentary, i had just sorta forgot the long duration of his role with em, before macgowan left. that sounds like a fucking night
― digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:27 (five months ago) link
Strummer was a completely different kind of person and musician. I have never understood that shift, given that people like Luka Bloom were available.
― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:13 (five months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi2JEdKwzAI
― Indexed, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 18:47 (five months ago) link
fortune prevailing!across the western oceantheir bellies fulltheir spirits freethey'll break the chains of povertyand they'll dance!
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:37 (five months ago) link
#ShaneMacGowan #Dublin Rest in peace Shane. Thank you for the music, the punk and poetry. pic.twitter.com/kgyWfhvmT8— Son of Mick (@PH5271) December 8, 2023
― droid, Friday, 8 December 2023 14:34 (five months ago) link
Heard some BBC coverage of people gathering for the funeral, sounds like quite a send-off.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 8 December 2023 15:10 (five months ago) link
This is the real Dublin ❤️🔥So long Shane 🙏#ShaneMacGowan pic.twitter.com/YxZtmXxxI2— Fergal Burke (@fergaljburke) December 8, 2023
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 8 December 2023 15:35 (five months ago) link
it seems quite mad that his funeral is being shown live on bbc, especially with his wife talking about how he took 100 acid tabs a day!
― stirmonster, Friday, 8 December 2023 17:43 (five months ago) link
most bonkers funeral ever. fantastic.
― stirmonster, Friday, 8 December 2023 18:02 (five months ago) link
The immanent psychiatrist, Irvin Yalom, said, “each of us creates-—often without our conscious intent or knowledge—concentric circles of influence that may affect others for years, even generations. That is, the effect we have on other people is in turn passed on to others, much as the ripples in a pond go on and on until they’re no longer visible but continuing at a nano level.” Dr. Yalom calls this idea that our own influence can ripple out to others rippling. Yalom says rippling is “leaving behind something from your life experience; some trait; some piece of wisdom, guidance, virtue, comfort, that passes onto others, known or unknown.” Rippling is the idea that that people continue to exist through the impact they have had on others. Yalom suggests everyone has the potential to affect others for years, decades and even centuries after departing this earth.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 8 December 2023 18:16 (five months ago) link
Glen Hansard and Lisa O'Neill performed "Fairytale of New York" to close Shane MacGowan's funeral today.pic.twitter.com/bG7mCSusmC— CONSEQUENCE (@consequence) December 8, 2023
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Friday, 8 December 2023 19:43 (five months ago) link
R.I.P. Shane MacGowanHere is Nick Cave performing 'A Rainy Night in Soho' at Shane's funeral in Nenagh, Co Tipperary, on Friday afternoon #ShaneMacGowan 💙pic.twitter.com/7BXaAp1CyP— 🎶Paul Lewis - Wycombe Gigs (@wycombegigs) December 8, 2023
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 8 December 2023 20:07 (five months ago) link
^Irvin Yalom OTM.Speaking of Pogues x Steve Earle, I hear related appeal in the (candidly precarious, vibrantly focused) peak albums of Justin Townes Earle (a better singer than Steve): Midnight at the Movies was my gateway, and there were several more before he started seeming so fragile that I backed off---I didn't know him, so that was okay, I thought--then he rallied for The Saint of Lost Causes, one of his best ever, then he was gone.
― dow, Friday, 8 December 2023 20:27 (five months ago) link
those performances are so good, esp enjoyed hansard
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2023 21:32 (five months ago) link
really feeling this one todayjust tearfully waltzed meself around the kitchen <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66quTi26YLY
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2023 21:36 (five months ago) link
I love “Rainy Night in Soho,” but I didn’t realize its cultural impact, that it’s kind of the go-to Shane song other than “Fairytale of NY.”
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 8 December 2023 22:15 (five months ago) link
podcast wise, “Misadventures in Music” with Ian Prowse and Mick Ord did a great ep about McGowan a couple of years ago in 2021 - very passionate & deep discussion, highly recommend also includes a good interview at the end w the Crock of Gold producer
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2023 23:12 (five months ago) link
really feeling this one todayjust tearfully waltzed meself around the kitchen <3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66quTi26YLY― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, December 8, 2023 9:36 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66quTi26YLY
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, December 8, 2023 9:36 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
this and Five Green Queens are the songs I really really love from Hell's Ditch. Almost just wisps, but absurdly lovely, a kind of brilliance that's miles away from his ferocious piles of words.
― woof, Friday, 8 December 2023 23:32 (five months ago) link
yeah the simplicity really bowls me over, just as much as his epics do
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2023 23:42 (five months ago) link
I love “Rainy Night in Soho,” but I didn’t realize its cultural impact, that it’s kind of the go-to Shane song other than “Fairytale of NY.”― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, December 8, 2023 10:15 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, December 8, 2023 10:15 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
yup and I can never puzzle out whether its careful ambiguity is part of the deal or sort of off to one side of a gorgeous romantic-sounding record. Cool either way, songs have their own lives.
― woof, Friday, 8 December 2023 23:59 (five months ago) link
We have sin gasAnd con leche
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:33 (five months ago) link
re Soho: macgowan is one of the rare few songwriters I’m not mad at rhyming arms with charms macgowan said years ago that he didnt know what it was about even while he was writing until almost the end, which is something i love theres an ease to the flow of the lyrics that makes it very believable that it just showed up fully formed he was communing with a good & kind muse that day imo
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:36 (five months ago) link
You’re the measure of my dreams
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:43 (five months ago) link
That one is breaking me right now
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:47 (five months ago) link
fully sobbed over that line again today
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:52 (five months ago) link
Some people they are scared to croakBut Jimmy drank until he choked
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:54 (five months ago) link
WE WALKED HIM TO THE STATION IN THE RAINNNN
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:57 (five months ago) link
WE KISSED HIM AS WE PUT HIM ON THE TRAIN
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 9 December 2023 00:59 (five months ago) link
That was my first response when heard about his death, just posted the chorus to Sally MacLennane. We sang him a song of times long gone, though we knew that we'd be seeing him again.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 9 December 2023 01:00 (five months ago) link
FARRR AWAAAY!!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 December 2023 01:10 (five months ago) link