Nazis!
https://i.discogs.com/20X-i1olJQ790WMIwkwwadDpPxMYG-_uRDshVGXfYMY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:599/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE5MTEw/MTEtMTU1MjExMjI4/OC0zMDM0LmpwZWc.jpeg
― Free Ass Ange (Tom D.), Friday, 15 December 2023 18:43 (six months ago) link
To my knowledge the Mekons never appeared publicly in KKK hoods.
― Indexed, Friday, 15 December 2023 18:57 (six months ago) link
ooh great idea let’s preemptively defend white musicians from nazi accusations wtf bros
― brimstead, Friday, 15 December 2023 19:27 (six months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ENgYcKw.png
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 15 December 2023 19:34 (six months ago) link
jfc
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2023 19:35 (six months ago) link
One of those people whose threads should be only bumped when they’re dead imo
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:01 (six months ago) link
The fact that I hadn't heard about this album until looking in this topic, as opposed to seeing it on some of the other notable music website I frequent, like Pitchfork, is a good sign.
― MarkoP, Friday, 15 December 2023 20:48 (six months ago) link
Kanye sampled Burzum years ago on Gucci Mane's "Pussy Print"
― c u (crüt), Friday, 15 December 2023 21:41 (six months ago) link
I'm not gonna listen to this and I don't care either way, but aren't there thousands of ambient/blackmetal covers with a similar aesthetic? Do we know for sure it intentionally references Burzum?
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:43 (six months ago) link
xp Would rule pretty hard if every major blog entirely ignored this album cycle.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:45 (six months ago) link
― brimstead, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:46 (six months ago) link
aren't there thousands of ambient/blackmetal covers with a similar aesthetic?
Yeah, and those are all following Burzum's (aesthetic, and sometimes political) trail too.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 December 2023 21:48 (six months ago) link
xp That's not a good comparison.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:52 (six months ago) link
"The entire subgenre of ambient blackmetal is nazi apologist"
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:54 (six months ago) link
If you don't assume that any given black metal act is Nazi Until Proven Otherwise, you haven't been paying attention the last, oh, 30 years.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 December 2023 21:57 (six months ago) link
hey billstevehim:
― c u (crüt), Friday, December 15, 2023 3:41 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:02 (six months ago) link
You sound smart.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 22:05 (six months ago) link
i'm sure kanye was referencing some obscure dungeon synth artist from poland and not burzum the notorious hipster racism/edgelord touchstone/popular t-shirt guy who he already sampled once
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:09 (six months ago) link
I will sign up for the "Kanye is a piece of shit" absolute truth, but no I don't make assumptions about musicians based on their genre unless it's called like "nazi-wave" or something.
Seems likely Kanye was inspired by someone horrible because the patterns point in that direction, and my question was answered so thank you.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 22:15 (six months ago) link
sure but what if the artist literally said "I like Hitler" on the Alex Jones show? I mean I hate to make assumptions here
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-praises-adolf-hitler-1235179653/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:20 (six months ago) link
or said he was going to go "death con 3 on jewish people"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/kanye-west-says-hell-go-to-death-con-3-on-jewish-people-after-instagram-ban/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:21 (six months ago) link
I'm agreeing with you.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 22:24 (six months ago) link
Just a little Nazi-adjacency between friends
― the new drip king (DJP), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:25 (six months ago) link
"Aw geez guys, how could you assume bad intentions?"
In May 2018, West caused controversy when he said, "When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sounds like a choice. You were there for 400 years and it's all of y'all. It's like we're mentally imprisoned."
On October 3, 2022, during his Yeezy SZN 9 fashion show in Paris, West wore a shirt with the script "WHITE LIVES MATTER", a move described by Forbes as controversial. According to the Anti-Defamation League, the phrase is a white supremacist slogan that was created in response to Black Lives Matter protests against police brutality. Conservative commentator Candace Owens posed for a photo with West, while wearing a matching shirt with the slogan. Following the event, West posted a story on his Instagram, stating: "Everyone know that Black Lives Matter was a scam now it's over you're welcome."
After being unable to post on Instagram, and previously not tweeting for nearly two years, on October 8, West tweeted that he was "going death con 3" (sic) on Jewish people, prompting media attention.
On an October 17 episode of the podcast Drink Champs, recorded the day prior, West claimed that he was being targeted by "the Jewish media" and "Zionist Jews" and said, "You really influenced me to get on this anti-Semite vibe and, you know, I'm here to finish the job. I'm here to not back down. They should've never let you... get money."
few days after these comments, on October 22, the neo-Nazi Goyim Defense League protested in Los Angeles, hanging a banner that read "Kanye is right about the Jews" above a highway overpass while giving Nazi salutes.
West arrived at the dinner with three other guests, including Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist and Holocaust denier.
On December 1, 2022, West praised Adolf Hitler on InfoWars, saying "every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler", "I love Jewish people but I also love Nazis", "There's a lot of things that I love about Hitler; a lot of things", "I like Hitler", and "I am a Nazi".
On December 6, 2022, West continued to praise Hitler in an interview with Gavin McInnes, founder of the Proud Boys. He said Jewish people should "forgive Hitler today".
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:26 (six months ago) link
I don't make assumptions about musicians based on their genre unless it's called like "nazi-wave"
I did have a real problem "I'm an Actual Nazi In Real Life (I'm Not Joking Take This Song Literally) (Death in June Remix)" by MC Nazi & DJ Swastika when that dropped
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:35 (six months ago) link
Lol at "Death in June remix"
― Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:35 (six months ago) link
jfc This place is toxic as fuck
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 22:37 (six months ago) link
lol, if calling out Nazis for being Nazis is "toxic as fuck", maybe head back to your safe space like 4chan
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 December 2023 22:39 (six months ago) link
omg shut the fuck up
is that what I said? read what i fucking wrote.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 22:40 (six months ago) link
Don't take my word for it. Ask any other ILM metalhead. When you hear about a new black metal band, or a black metal band that is unfamiliar to you, the first thing you do is Google "[band name] nazi". Far too often, you will strike nazi gold. If the band itself is not NS in some way, one of its members will have a NS side project, or they'll be on a label with NS affiliations...it's always fucking something.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 15 December 2023 23:15 (six months ago) link
Fair enough. I guess in the back of my head I was thinking of guys like Jute Gyte, who often donates his Bandcamp Day earnings to charities like the NAACP legal defense fund. And I suppose probably also was thinking of some older jokey side project bands.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 December 2023 23:46 (six months ago) link
He is unfortunately not referencing Jute Guyte.
― treeship., Saturday, 16 December 2023 00:38 (six months ago) link
thought that post would come from someone else and in the year end albums thread
― Natural Wine • Danny Devito • Virginia (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 16 December 2023 04:29 (six months ago) link
idk I could have said Wolves In The Throne Room or something else. That's what I thought of.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 16 December 2023 04:41 (six months ago) link
Can't believe we had to interrogate Kanye's "true intentions" when he just did a show in a KKK hood.
― Indexed, Saturday, 16 December 2023 15:41 (six months ago) link
to be fair he did do the black kkk hood shit a decade ago too, just it was seen as 'kanye being a provocative dumbass trying to make a very dumb statement' and not 'yet more nazi shit'
― ufo, Saturday, 16 December 2023 16:03 (six months ago) link
for another thread but while NSBM is certainly a terrible thing, I believe it's a marginal aspect of the current, thriving black metal scene
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 16 December 2023 16:16 (six months ago) link
that's accurate, the "nazi til proven otherwise" bit is really kinda silly -- anti-fascist black metal bands outnumber nazi ones among active bands by a healthy margin, there's like tons of them, in addition to the countless "we're just trying to make black metal we don't have anything to do with this other shit" bands. black metal is also pretty played out afaic and most of the action for the last decade has been in death metal which has its share of edgelords but hasn't historically had this radicalization pipeline that black metal's had. anyway none of this matters at all because Kanye has made his position quite clear & there's no reason to think he's ref'ing anything other than Burzum, who've always been the BM band du jour for people outside of that subculture, they're the band on the Gummo soundtrack, they're beloved of nazi-sympathetic edgelords around the world.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 16 December 2023 16:27 (six months ago) link
nazi-sympathetic edgelords of the woooorrrldunite and take ovverrr
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 December 2023 16:29 (six months ago) link
irl lol
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 16 December 2023 16:46 (six months ago) link
Extra apt lol given the person being parodied
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 December 2023 16:54 (six months ago) link
that's accurate, the "nazi til proven otherwise" bit is really kinda silly
this is what i was saying. thank you. it's just as easy to do a google search and learn that it's not 1993 anymore and there are plenty of non-hateful blackmetal musicians.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 16 December 2023 17:14 (six months ago) link
Stop fucking posting
― brimstead, Saturday, 16 December 2023 18:05 (six months ago) link
no
― billstevejim, Saturday, 16 December 2023 18:25 (six months ago) link
let's just assume the nazi rapper is giving a hat tip to the nazi metaller instead of just being really into german romanticism but metal aesthetics in general still come off as fashy to a lot of people (even when there aren't gratuitous iron crosses and lightning bolts all over the place) and I'm not sure how many non-nazi metalheads actually get this
― Left, Saturday, 16 December 2023 18:59 (six months ago) link
that's a side thing because nothing should be debatable about that cover (but I'm sure he loves provoking debate about it anyway)
― Left, Saturday, 16 December 2023 19:01 (six months ago) link
Kanye likes collecting NSBM memorabilia to remind himself how evil Varg is.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 16 December 2023 19:49 (six months ago) link
Far too often, you will strike nazi gold. If the band itself is not NS in some way, one of its members will have a NS side project, or they'll be on a label with NS affiliations...it's always fucking something.
dude, sure, we can 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon most anyone in metal/industrial/noise to someone in said genres or adjacent genres who is wretched and horrible. I have seen some serious attempts to "connect the dots" that are really a stretch.
That said, it's a very different dynamic with Kanye ...
― sarahell, Saturday, 16 December 2023 20:11 (six months ago) link
Burzum, who've always been the BM band du jour for people outside of that subculture, they're the band on the Gummo soundtrack, they're beloved of nazi-sympathetic edgelords around the world.
wait really? I always thought Mayhem and/or Immortal were at least equally "du jour" ... also less-nazi, which definitely has a strong appeal to many people!
― sarahell, Saturday, 16 December 2023 20:15 (six months ago) link
at one time the nazism was a selling point for hipsters who were too addled by irony or obama to take anything seriously - burzum was definitely the first BM I heard of
those other bands are only *slightly* less nazi afaict
― Left, Saturday, 16 December 2023 20:29 (six months ago) link