She is the queen of the House of California (Casa Pasadena), thrill
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 03:24 (three months ago) link
don't listen to your grandmother's advice about us, you're solid, kid
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 15 February 2024 04:11 (three months ago) link
goodnightto the rock 'n' roll era
― alpine static, Thursday, 15 February 2024 06:48 (three months ago) link
"Fillmore Jive" was the secret key for my appreciation of Pavement.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 15 February 2024 07:03 (three months ago) link
I brought this record with me to my year studying abroad in Glasgow and this girl I met saw it and goes "oh wow Pavement, I haven't thought about them in forever." This was 1996.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 February 2024 10:03 (three months ago) link
Sorry 1994!
I don’t know about “ultimate” but “Elevate” is to me probably the one song I would pick if someone were to ask for one song to encapsulate what Pavement were all about
― Road House: Songs and Stories (Master of Treacle), Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:02 (three months ago) link
the rock kids in their vespas...
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:59 (three months ago) link
Elevate (and ELL Ess two) were and remain for me so central to their character, at their best.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:03 (three months ago) link
it's a brand new era, but it came too late
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:13 (three months ago) link
xp Wait, isn’t that the same song(?)
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:14 (three months ago) link
i'm not your neighbor you baker street trash
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 15 February 2024 22:48 (three months ago) link
― byebyepride, Thursday, 15 February 2024 22:53 (three months ago) link
Something about the production of cut your hair makes it sound really sludgy over speakers
― calstars, Saturday, 9 March 2024 01:43 (two months ago) link
Worst pavement album (but it's still an alright album)
― H.P, Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:07 (two months ago) link
haha I thought that after WZ came out in 1996, I have since changed my mind and rank it Westing>WZ>S&E>CRCR>BTC>TT but I am biased abt this band, been thinking a lot abt enduring artists I appreciate, e.g. SM and Kristin Hersh were both born w/in a few months of me and I have been real into both over the last year or two.
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:18 (two months ago) link
The overdose on bass production could make a shitty record player sound ok
― calstars, Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:28 (two months ago) link
Aka the Peter Hook Effect
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:29 (two months ago) link
Probably the easiest Pavement album for me to enjoy, but I think the first four are all great and even like the fifth as an uneven but still fairly commendable and enjoyable listen. (Bob recently said TT should've been an EP, and he's not wrong - it could've been rock solid and a great one.) I guess it's like the Velvet Underground or Big Star where there aren't many LP's and I don't want to choose favorites because they're all pretty unique and great in their own way.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:36 (two months ago) link
Terror Twilight is a fantastic album and so is CRCR.
Been interesting listening to the Godrich alternative sequence of TT
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Sunday, 10 March 2024 20:38 (two months ago) link
I didn't dig TT until hearing the Godrich sequence, fwiw
― Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Monday, 11 March 2024 13:40 (two months ago) link
“speak see remember” should be destroyed but the rest of TT is very good
― brimstead, Monday, 11 March 2024 15:08 (two months ago) link
^^no way, the jammy part at the end saves it
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 15:58 (two months ago) link
Westing>WZ>S&E>CRCR>BTC>TT
This is right tho I wouldn't call Westing an album per se, and I would put it somewhere between CR and TT
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 15:59 (two months ago) link
jammy part at the end of "Speak See Remember" is one of the handful of highlights on an otherwise "just OK" album!
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:06 (two months ago) link
oh wait, i misread that as if brimstead was saying that specific part should be destroyed ... i agree that the first 2:50 of "SSR" is blah, but the last 90 seconds of it are one of the few times on TT you actually hear the energy of the first three albums come to the surface.
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:09 (two months ago) link
I've never quite understood why some fans rate Westing so highly... it's a solid EP, they're all good songs, but beyond that...(?)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:09 (two months ago) link
it's obviously not as good as the first three official albums but it sure is fun to hear the band in its embryonic form, hear SM's earliest/noisiest ideas, hear them at their most DIY, imagine them doing this weird-ass shit at Gary's house, etc. no different than hearing any other great band's early stuff.
but imo if you're inclined to include Westing in an album ranking, you need to strip it back to the individual EPs on their own, which means you also have to consider Watery Domestic.
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:14 (two months ago) link
Oh wait, I'm totally messed up... I mean the EP that came after S&E, what's it called?
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:15 (two months ago) link
(Yeah, Westing is great, but I wouldn't "rank" it among their albums, it's kind of its own thing)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:16 (two months ago) link
Watery, Domestic is the EP I meant
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:17 (two months ago) link
I always rated TT the lowest but will give it another try with the different sequencing
― calstars, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:59 (two months ago) link
I love Westing.
8 votes in this poll for "Fillmore Jive"! That's interesting. That's like "the first really bad Pavement song" to my ears, chronologically. I listened to this album on repeat the weekend I got it and I said to my friend, biggest Pavement fan in the world, "the last song on the album sucks so much. They shouldn't let the other guy sing." She said "that's SM singing," and I said it can't be, it sounds nothing like him, and she insisted that it was. I don't like that song. In general this might be my least-favourite Pavement album!
I need to hear the Godrich sequence of Terror Twilight. I need to listen to Sea Change again, too.
― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 11 March 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link
it's definitely SM singing Fillmore Jive. are you thinking of "Hit the Plane Down"?
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 17:35 (two months ago) link
Those Fillmore lyrics are improvised right?
― calstars, Monday, 11 March 2024 17:45 (two months ago) link
jaspar's skinnr arhms
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 17:46 (two months ago) link
No, I'm thinking of "Fillmore Jive". I hate it. I don't like the lyric. It doesn't sound like SM singing to me. It sounds like the theme song to Nicole Byer's podcast except not-fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nfL7tMV1bc
― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 11 March 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link
MALKMUS: There’s one song on there, called “Heaven Is A Truck,” that was not recorded with Mark [Venezia]. That was recorded at another place. We did a song for No Alternative, which was a compilation benefit for HIV, and we had some extra time, and we did that song there and added it to the album. Also, the intro to “Fillmore Jive” was taken from Gary’s studio. That was something where I was doing a Frogs pastiche and we added that onto the beginning of that. It was really crazy.KANNBERG: “Fillmore Jive,” that’s actually two songs put together. I think one was actually recorded at Gary’s studio, the very end part. And the beginning part was recorded at Mark’s. And those were kind of put together with Band-Aids. It’s amazing that the record actually sounds good.
KANNBERG: “Fillmore Jive,” that’s actually two songs put together. I think one was actually recorded at Gary’s studio, the very end part. And the beginning part was recorded at Mark’s. And those were kind of put together with Band-Aids. It’s amazing that the record actually sounds good.
https://www.stereogum.com/1629101/the-oral-history-of-pavements-crooked-rain-crooked-rain/interviews/oral-history/
Here's the full recording that the intro of "Fillmore Jive" was snipped from (which happens @1m30s):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg_SF4LfMz0
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Monday, 11 March 2024 18:22 (two months ago) link
I assume Malk’s memory is correct, and that intro part was recorded at Gary’s?(i’ve never liked this song much either, fwiw)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 18:36 (two months ago) link
whatever still sounds way more ween "don't get 2 close (2 my fantasy)" than the frogs (on your radio 2night!)
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 11 March 2024 18:51 (two months ago) link
If I were to "fix" Side 2 of this album, using roughly contemporaneous songs, it might look something like this:
Gold SoundzHeaven Is a TruckNail ClinicHands Off the BayouStrings of NashvilleAll My Friends
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 19:26 (two months ago) link
All My Friends would be a great closer
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 19:37 (two months ago) link
Gold SoundzRange LifeRaftBrink of the CloudsAll My Friends
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 19:39 (two months ago) link
Nail Clinic is one of my all-time favorite Pavement songs.
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link
fillmore jive is the perfect closer, wtf
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2024 20:39 (two months ago) link
fgti, do you like the music of neil young?
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2024 20:40 (two months ago) link
I assume Malk’s memory is correct, and that intro part was recorded at Gary’s?
Yeah, it's definitely the intro that was a separate song, not the very end. LA's Desert Origins liner notes say "Dark Ages" was recorded was recorded at Random Falls with Mark, but if Malkmus and Scott both think part of "Fillmore Jive" was recorded at Gary's, I'm guessing the liner notes are wrong
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 11 March 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link
Agree that Fillmore Jive is the perfect closer.
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 11 March 2024 20:44 (two months ago) link
Well in those quotes, Scott said "the beginning part" (i.e., the part taken from "Dark Ages") "was recorded at Mark’s" – so maybe he's actually the one remembering correctly(?)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 20:56 (two months ago) link
(if both he and the liner notes say that, leaving Steve as the only one who thinks they recorded it at Gary's)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 20:58 (two months ago) link