this episode of the digging with flo podcast is a great listen, a chat with penny about gardening and other things at dial house:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digging-with-flo-penny-rimbaud/id1692225522?i=1000644324800
― Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Sunday, 14 April 2024 19:39 (one month ago) link
it's on Spotify etc too btw