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grime fights is the concept. its a dvd im making. its cage fights between some of the scenes biggest names.

i want to see a cage fight between discarda and the fat white hooligan from the southside allstars track. (i think its either niky s or nike) the one who spits his verse outside a pub surrounded by other fat scary white hooligans.

that would be brilliant.

i also want to see titch versus asher d, cos asher d gets on my nerves so i;ll put him in a cage with titch.

and riko versus jonny cash.

what other fights do people want me to get on my dvd

l..., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck Rolldeep. It's all about Shifty Ridahz - 1999! He tells the whole Ruff Skwad story over a mad Scholar guitar beat. Scholar said that if you call him or Rapid the other night they'd send out burned copies of Gunz n Roses.

What's that mental Essentials riddim that's like the south version of forward? Headquarters riddim I think, its big. Narsty's new tune is heavy still. What do people think of So What and Foreign Format from south? There should be a big piece forthcoming on govt names about south grime, keep your eyes peeled.

mad sick head nah good, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxxpost, i dont know how people can dislike god's gift.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

pray do tell. what is the difference between south and east grime?

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Not much, but no one tends to write about it apart from Essentials and occasionally NAA. Same with West/North West ends. You might hear more about south crews soon though, a few MCs are jumping on the Neeko/Fire Camp beef bandwagon.

madsickheadnahgood, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

until south gets its own identity and stops being a pale imitation of what east londons been doing i don't think its going to attract much attention.
paperchase does good things and as you say gets the credit for it.
that southside allstars tune is a good indication of why no one pays attention to the south, half the mcs are just pale imitations of already established names. or look at liberty trying to be d double.

northwest is funny. they've all got gimmicks. doneao, van damage, flirta d... i spose bashy is making a name but i don't rate him persoanlly. tottenahm is big though. well, i like meridian and total package anyway.

l.., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah south mcs have funy gimmicks as well still, So What make weird noises, one guy makes like Mortal Kombat fatality noises and scary deep voices. Foreign Format is the best outside of Paperchase/Essentials/NAA, Ashman is with them, the main producer is called Kotti and he has some mad
Northern Europe sounding melodies, like that old/new Jammer track with the violins, he has one tune called "Lighter" or cliffhanger riddim i thuink that's like this gutter spanish guitar with budget fruityloops bass its like classical music or something, plus south has L Man who's getting better and better if not at times a bit too academic, going on about the battle of hastings and shit he's like the first decent grime punchline rapper.

mad sick head nah good, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

blungbizzle, you heard "Oi Oi Saveloy" yet?

SLK's sets on Raw UK are sounding full of energy, right up there with Ruff Sqwad's latest and WOAH - Rapid's new riddim is cantakerous! Uses a nize little 2-step beat with a five-note b-line and a freaky female vox-FX loop. Simple but incredibly efenctive.

North's big right now: Total Package, Meridian, OO Squad, Venom Crew, T.M.M, Gunja Fam/Rattle Pack, Combinations. Some nice producers too: Skepta, Marsta, General LOK, JME, Hindzy D, P Jam...

Also check out Squaden Man Dem on HEAT 96.6fm. One of their MCs is called J.A. and he's very talented. 8pm-10pm Thursdays.

Grime Pseudonym of the Month : Johnny Skeng

thsmrtlsnd, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Can anyone get any grime on 90.0FM in north London?

it's nowt but house pirates for me.

north London wise i really rate JME from Meridian.

martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"what, you too big to order from Rhythm division online?"

Are you trying to do a Dave Stelfox imitation? ;(

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry that should be ;)

I'll check there btw and if it's not insanely prohibitively expensive I will buy it, Martin.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a rumour circulating about JME joining Roll Deep, will try and confirm but know they've definitely drafted in some new members.

chantelle Fiddy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

North's big right now

good

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

oi oi saveloy! i don't know if you're taking the piss or not lee, just like the mysterious 'elvis riddim' you were talking about all that time ago.
i just got a tape of scoobee and kano though, from years back before kano joined NASTY.
beat that exclusive you north london scumbag!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhh!!!!


(i got one with him and monkey too, old school)

;..., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sticking with the pale imitation topic, there's one MC on the ps and qs remix and fwd riddim that sounds just like a dizzee impersonator. its tragic.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty clueless on the grime scene, but I'd like to do one of my specialty radio shows on grime, which means I'll need five good tracks that provide a good sampling.

Aside from Dizzee Rascal (probably "Stand Up Tall"), can anyone suggest four more good tracks that provide a solid cross-section?

Thanks for any help.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley "Eskimo" or one of the "Ice Rink" vocals
Lethal B and friends "Forward Riddim" (aka "Pow")
Target and Riko "Chosen Ones"
Kano "Ps & Qs"

martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Titchy, that's Stormin and he's ill. He did the arms house lyric first if that's what you mean.

jhgjhjhgfjhs, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 08:46 (nineteen years ago) link

too big to order from Rhythm Division online?

Speaking personally, trying to use that site is fucking painful, plus the shipping is extortionate cos of the strong pound. If you buy online Juno is actually the only site that's easy to use, but their garage selection is pretty limited, and they don't do dvds or tape packs.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprised that the Kode 9 and Dadi Gee 10"s aren't getting much talk on here. The hyperdub 10s are both great - kind of a lot more dub, but also didn't get me a kicking from the promoter when I played it at the weekend, whereas any decent grime bass-line did.

3underscore (___), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

trying to use that site is fucking painful

I don't share this experience at all, and I order every few months.

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

in the new fact magazine, wiley says his next step is to pursue a live sound, as hes got a new drum kit. dizzee also said in rwd that he wants to try a live sound too as hes been listening to old marvin gaye records. im not sure if this is a good omen for the future of grime! (if this actually happens that is). electronic musics going organic usually makes them soft.

there's a jammer remix of the new roots manuva single by the way. roots redoes his vocal so he sounds kinda like a grime MC in how he spits on it.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

my mate was playing me new roll deep stuff the other day, next generation stuff and it sounded very good. one of the tunes starts out like a celine dion number or something. its brillaint thought.

demon does the armshouse lyric.

....., Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I once imagined a quasi-live-garage sound that was sorta like "Boo!", but sadly beyond that track itself and a coupla others circa 2001 it never materialised.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

A live sound could work, as long as they don't just try to play the electronic beats straight on a drum, which I'm sure they won't. I imagine they will both experiment with different sound before deciding whether or not to go with it.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

well hopefully it will be ok. i just have a fear everytime electronic genres try to go all trad-musical. i'd like to think they wont take the trad-live route and will maybe just do some weird stuff, but something tells me theyll try to take a typically 'musical' route. i could be wrong though - i hope so. its too early to say anyway.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

As long as they get the cellos in...

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

a hired out string section, bald white drummer, fender rhodes, and brass section, i need all of it.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Sticky used to have lots of live drum samples on his dubs, check out the drums on "Golly Gosh". Anyway, Target always had a kind of live instrumental sound didn't he.

Talking about new Rolldeep stuff, what's that mad riddim that has a classical string sample on it.

sgfhgs, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Target definitely, especially "Earthwarrior" which is like 2001-era raggage sheepishly held out as an 8-bar.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprised that the Kode 9 and Dadi Gee 10"s aren't getting much talk on here. The hyperdub 10s are both great - kind of a lot more dub, but also didn't get me a kicking from the promoter when I played it at the weekend, whereas any decent grime bass-line did.

-- 3underscore (tripleunderscore__...), December 1st, 2004.

The Kode 9 10"s are totally amazing, but probably dont get a mention here because this is a grime thread and they're more part of the dubstep scene.

out of interest where did you play them tripleunderscore?

martin (martin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Coincidently, I heard Full Mack Crew on On Top spitting over "Freshair" recently.

dsgdsrg, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Coincidently, I heard Full Mack Crew on 95.5 spitting over "Freshair" recently.

dsgdsrg, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah I love "Fresh Air", although it always seemed profane to actually hear rapping over it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i got some new bashy mix CD called 'UR MUM VOL 1 (seriously), its got yet another wiley dis track on it with a stupid skit about trying to sell wiley with noone buying him. he then disses him over nas' ether beat. its tragically shit, and bashy is basically a bad UKHH artist.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 2 December 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that Bashy CD isn't saying much at all. I know I've lost touch with the kids when I read on RWD that Bashy murked Wiley. One of the most unimaginative disses I've heard that simply reiterates what Doogz, Sharky Major et al have said in the past. Think it's taking it too far bringing Wiley's sisters name into it. Great to see government funding going towards studio projects like this don't you think...

Think of all the new Roll Deep stuff, aside from Shake A Leg, Back In The Day (produced by Target, nice piano sample, featuring Wiley) is one of the beautiful pieces of music I've heard in ages.

Chantelle Fiddy, Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

On the Kode9 tip just came across this interview where he was saying that grime is more 'forward' than forward if you know what i mean

http://www.drumzofthesouth.com

Jon B, Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

worse than kids saying bashy murked wiley is kids saying that dizzee murked titch. matter of fact, wileys answer back to dizzee's track on showtime talking about what happened in napa is better than dizzee's too.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 2 December 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
just read on teletext on channel 4 that dizzee has signed class a to dirtee stank/XL as his first signing, after they walked from their original deal with XL. slightly weird thing to do cos class a are pretty shit (apart from having a few good beats). of all the people he could have signed to his label, im not sure why he picked them.

after that horrendous band aid 20 thing, where he ruined an already shit remake and this, im starting to wonder about his taste and judgement.

tasmaniandevil, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone want to do a quick summary of ten MUST HEAR/MUST LOVE grimey tracks that AREN'T on Run The Road or any album?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

dizzee - stop dat
kano - what have you done
kano - boyz luv girls
wiley - wot do u call it (or his ENTIRE album)
dizzee riko or kano - ice rink

i hate doogz so im not gonna mention anything by him cos hes too irritating and gimmicky. im sure other people could mention more than me.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 30 December 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

simon's blog entry for today has a lot more than 10 steve -- go there and look.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 30 December 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone please explain to me what sinogrime is????

manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Grime with this Chinese sounding percussion on them, like Wonder's What, as used by Dizzee Rascal on Respect Me.

JoB (JoB), Friday, 31 December 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

oh ok. why call it sinogrime though?!

just heard some audio of d double e MCing over jungle, and he sounded 359084958396895068396839056490584590386908690368903683906890383906839 times better than when trying to spit at slower tempos or trying to do more hip hop style MCing. amazing!!!!!

manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

that doesnt surprise me. most grime MCs need to stop trying to make hip hop tracks.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

but it's the only way they'll make any cash...

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, well, thats a sad fact, but id rather hear early roll deep tracks then something like let it out, personally. or diz's i luv u compared to that new thing on 1xtra, lets go to work, which is jsut terrible!!!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's just called oriental grime.

scg, Friday, 31 December 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link


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