Charli XCX

Oh boy, there's more!

Brat and it’s the same but there’s three more songs so it’s not - Out at midnight. pic.twitter.com/XFbOQsRqDX

— Charli (@charli_xcx) June 10, 2024

the bonus tracks are good but hardly feel like they really needed to be on the album or anything

"hello goodbye" is excellent though

I think both “hello goodbye” and “guess” are good enough for the album

i just mean that it's not like the crash bonus tracks which were better than most of the album, for instance. they're not a step down either

Aha nice, that electro-house-revival track with The Dare I posted a video too before is one of these tracks.

Yeah “Guess” has me flashing on the Ewan remix of “Perspex Sex” a bit

Don't get the reasoning for releasing a deluxe version of the album the same week as the regular version - or maybe i'm just too old

chart positioning

speaking of, new Pitchfork article on the deluxe notes:

the album has already surpassed 2022’s Crash as Charli XCX’s biggest streaming debut on Spotify; Brat had 15.4 million streams on its release day, whereas Crash racked up 5.9 million.

nice!

only managed a couple of listens so far. love it.

Feel like this album really has social media zeitgeist effects behind it in a way previous albums didn’t - though I guess Crash was not so long ago that if it couldn’t have benefited from that kind of thing as well in the right circumstances.

I think my favourite part of the album is the cut-up vocal on the chorus for “365” when it sounds like she’s singing “when I’m in the club - no I’m not”. A position I would hard identify with if it was what she was actually singing (it’s not).

I think my favourite part of the album is the cut-up vocal on the chorus for “365”

yes! all those little elements really work great on this.

apropos of nothing, I also thought the 'work angles' lyric in 360 was something about cankles.

i haven't really loved much that she's done since pop 2 but this album is great. the production in places has that same sorta airiness to it, tempos that almost remind me of like 90s atl bass music. when she sings "you gon jump cuz AG made it" on "360" it maps almost perfectly over missy elliott shouting "jazze made it! on "1, 2 step" ... this album has some of that like walking on air quality that i love about i.e. early ciara. and then for me some of the more harder, dissonant PC music stuff plays well as contrast, and there's a lot of effective hard/soft interplay for me between the beats and melodies on those records that i don't normally appreciate as much. something like "mean girls" having those house pianos that burst thru halfway thru etc

i also like a lot of the spoken word bits. it feels like she got to a place emotionally w/ this record that is resonating w/ ppl. i don't think honesty is the right word... emotional clarity? idk. but stuff like "rewind" or "so i" that are based on subjects (fame, death) that so often lead to mawkish music feel really deftly done to me here. for what she does i think she kinda knocked this one out of the park, shoutout to her. super fun show last night too

I can’t think of another genius level auteur operating in this genre/domain. Maybe only producers? Gaga probably but her music doesn’t speak to me like Charli’s. I guess Madge is the template but not quite the same.

xxp Though i figured i must be wrong, i kept singing "wear Kangols"

me too.

(all the leaked unreleased material from the original version of her third album)

does the Focus/No Angel single line up with this time? I still play that all the time, and I need to give those bootlegs a proper listen (the "XCX World" stuff, right?)

"no angel" and "girls night out" were definitely intended for the album but "focus" and "5 in the morning" were recorded a little later so i'm not sure if they were ever considered as part of that project. there's a lot of leaked material from 2016-2018 and it's not clear exactly how it all fits together - there was never a finalised tracklist or anything

dying at this post over in the old folks' home

https://i.imgur.com/U6sEUjz.png

yikes

Voom Voom

yes, famous 'back to basics rock and roll album Sucker by Charli XCX'

I can’t think of another genius level auteur operating in this genre/domain. Maybe only producers? Gaga probably but her music doesn’t speak to me like Charli’s. I guess Madge is the template but not quite the same.

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 21:19 (four days ago) link

Let’s reign this kind of shit in a bit, can we ?

gee sorry, I’ll try to enthuse in a more measured way

is she really a genius? serious question

Genius ear for a catchy hook and the nous to match that with interesting and at times avant-garde pop producers.

I think True Romance was genius and everything afterwards has been various levels of good/OK. Oh, and "Dinosaur Sex" which seems to have disappeared from the internet

dinosaur sex appears to be floating around slsk, thanks

Tape Notes podcast episode today.

I like this but I’d like an instrumental version much more.

I can’t think of another genius level auteur operating in this genre/domain. Maybe only producers? Gaga probably but her music doesn’t speak to me like Charli’s. I guess Madge is the template but not quite the same.

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 21:19 (four days ago) link

“Auteur?”

yeah OK whatever, I think Pop 2 defined a whole new scope for pop music, and she has sought out underground producers to develop her vision, but I don't need to be dragged for enthusiasm thanks. The new record is great but not perfect, I still love her work, I accept that others don't see her in the same light.

what's some of yalls floor for auteur? idk

Prince.

In fairness I think current historical conditions make truly being an auteur (in the specific sense matttkkkk appears to mean it here, being to "define... a whole new scope" for an area of music) much less likely for even a very talented artist than was the case in decades past - this is not so much about the rate of innovation slowing down (though that's relevant) as it is about the increasing difficulty of seeing contemporary artist in such terms given the way in which music is now promoted, disseminated and consumed.

As kamala might note, it's difficult for people to present themselves as having just fallen out a coconut tree.

Do you mean economically? Because it's easier now for a single person to realize musical ideas than at any time in history, by like a million miles.

In fairness I think current historical conditions make truly being an auteur (in the specific sense matttkkkk appears to mean it here, being to "define... a whole new scope" for an area of music) much less likely for even a very talented artist than was the case in decades past - this is not so much about the rate of innovation slowing down (though that's relevant) as it is about the increasing difficulty of seeing contemporary artist in such terms given the way in which music is now promoted, disseminated and consumed.

As kamala might note, it's difficult for people to present themselves as having just fallen out a coconut tree.

― Tim F, Thursday, June 20, 2024 8:03 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

How so? Writing, recording, and publishing music is the easiest its ever been. I think that’s why I balked at the “auteur” claim as most musicians write and record their own music.

I would say she was, if she was self-produced*. As it is, I think you can make a case but it would probably have to extend beyond music and into her whole image and er,I'm not about to try.

* Thinking of this thread today as I read this

Pop 2 single “I Got It” has a similar patter chorus and weirdo vibe. The ripoff accusations – which Charli acknowledged in a mildly shady video after “I Luv It” dropped – are endless, but personally, I don’t hear it. Charli XCX didn’t invent this sound.

Auteur is the least objectionable descriptor … I think she’s cultivated a vibe, or whatever

I just think the efforts to brand her as both a pop star and innovator seem contradictory in a way that is kind of cringe for her fans … they want her to both be a chief Keef style innovator of new styles and a drake style pop star of platforming cool ideas and until the success of this recent project she had the strengths of neither and the weaknesses of both (ie platform was niche and ideas were pilfered)

It does feel like the zeitgeist and her strange midpoint position in it has finally aligned (probably closer to how Keef has somehow also managed to match it) in a way that feels closer to “innovative” than “platforming”—even if the ideas aren’t hers they’re arranged in a way which seems uniquely compelling

Do you mean economically? Because it's easier now for a single person to realize musical ideas than at any time in history, by like a million miles.

― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 21 June 2024 00:45 (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is actually part of why (note again I'm interpreting "auteur" in the specific sense that matttkkkk appeared to be deploying it - i.e. with the relevant focus being on distinction rather than self-creation): there are so many artists realising their musical ideas simultaneously - and the barriers to doing so are now so low - that the prospect that any one artist can be associated with "defining a new scope" for a type of music for more than about a month is just very slim. I'm instinctively reluctant to consider Charli XCX in those terms but that reflects the historical moment as much as or more than it does her position within it.

I can’t think of another genius level auteur operating in this genre/domain. Maybe only producers? Gaga probably but her music doesn’t speak to me like Charli’s. I guess Madge is the template but not quite the same.

― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 21:19 (four days ago) link

Let’s reign this kind of shit in a bit, can we ?

― xheugy eddy (D-40), Sunday, June 16, 2024 6:24 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is way out of line. ilm has been a much better place without your snide toxicity masquerading as truly idiotic "criticism" and for its sake i hope you consider stepping out of the room again.

The person who dismisses huge swaths of artists is the one who’s being reasonable & im the one being snide and toxic! Ok

I didn’t know id made an enemy of map honestly. lol I usually like your posts. Not sure why it came to this but I genuinely found that post off putting… constructing an ilx canon of one of one geniuses seems contra the entire egalitarian project of broadening the variety of acts & styles approached in their own terms I associate w ilx at its least toxic but “sorry for being rude about it”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q3K6FPzY18

Matt clearly established a context — as a pop performer Charli and her genuine interests seem entirely in control of her changes in s musical style and shifts in career approach. The principle of auteur theory is that Hitch can be determined to have recurring motifs, preoccupations and approaches across his oeuvre despite a changing array of writers and composers and gaffers and cameramen and board artists, not that he (or he and Alma) wrote, produced, boarded, shot, directed, lit, developed and edited every frame him/themself.

not saying I would use the term myself, but deej you didn’t engage with / argue against the premise, you just rolled into the thread to piss on someone for expressing enthusiasm about the thread’s subject

Idk if that’s directed at me but I said the auteur part is the one I agree with

“ I can’t think of another genius level auteur operating in this genre/domain.”

I guess if you define genre/domain absurdly narrowly I agree, but idk, I don’t even think this is the best pop album released the day it came out personally (Tems). My opinion as far as that goes isn’t what’s important in this thread, I’m feeling defensive abt the notion that this project is in some rarified ‘genius level auteur’ air … I’m not even hating on this album tbh happy for the stans

Sometimes it's fun to just post

Well, I love Charli way too uncritically, and I said a dumb thing, but at least there was some interesting discussion. In conclusion, ilx rules.