I really, really dislike Ultragrrl [edited title - mod]

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Also a thread STARTING by saying you'd like to shoot someone in the face for their musical taste is a bit fucking offside to me!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, she likes .... THE KILLERS.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

lots of people like the Killers on ILM.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

There are lots of idiots on ILM.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I really think Jon has been poisoned by living among college students for so long.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

*ehem* Annie. and Girls Aloud.

Jes sayin'.

Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost I'm not a big fan, btw, but ya know I guess they seem as good a version of Duran Duran 2K5 as we'll get and that Mr. Brightside song is a good nu wave jam.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's the thing: the frothy scenstery "Cute Band Alert" aspect of her stuff is, on a lot of levels, an accurate reflection of the way a lot of people in New York engage with music. I don't think I mean this as a criticism, though I can't say I've given it a ton of thought. It's just a bit factual: one of the things that fascinates me most about New York is the way that, say, a 19-year-old NYU freshman with a cute face and some half-decent clothes can aspire to total scensterism, can go to parties and try and hang out with bands and try to be there in a way I've never really seen elsewhere. It's a slightly different way of engaging with music than a lot of other places, and while there are elements to it that I find a little bit unattractive, I'm not necessarily prepared to say it's a "lesser" way.

(Hahaha Nick Sylvester to thread to agree/disagree with that?)

nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The odds of the Brainwasher obtaining a firearm at age 17 seem slim, so return to logistics: How did she get that job, again?

now now now, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, you don't have to listen to their music. Who are BOND? I thought you were talking about the film franchise for a moment.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001ZDKAQ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C3ICL.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Aren't you confusing liking a band and liking their music?

Isn't liking the music of a band the primary reason for liking a band?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

...and if it isn't, shouldn't it be?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

ultrugirl can i get your sister email why because she look intersting

NAthaniel, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

what i see here on this thread is a bunch of aging [and some young ones, who am i to exclude!?] white dudes getting pissy because some girl -- who embodies desirable traits such as a strong work ethic, a positive attitude and attempts to be as inclusive as possible -- is climbing up the ranks of the industry faster than them.

and really, faster than anyone. thats what everyone's reacting to. its an interesting phenomenon, how generation y is becoming the voice of the establishment, rather than something that is traditionally mistrusted. [see: raised by bees for some more thoughts on this]

i did an interview with her for rockpile and she was nothing but friendly and incredibly insightful. in fact, she had a whole lot to say and i had to edit it down to fit the word count. perhaps ill post the entire interview to my blog.

boo, jealousy makes you uglier.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

and oh, what were everyone's thoughts on the "cute band alert" when sassy did it back in the 90's. because if you're going to bitch about it now, too late.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Cripe, Lisa Robinson did cute band alert about The Mumps in Hit Parader way back in the mid-70s.

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Ultragrrrl! don't shoot her!

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread actually got better.

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Daniel, thanks for pointing that out. i was just trying to comment on the fact that this sort of phenomenon isnt entirely new.

furthermore, isnt a bit hypocritical for guys to hate on her because of this behavior? its not as if men have never made some sort of suggestive comments regarding female musicians. as much as the men of ILM like to pretend they're sitting around being a stoic, meaningful and shit, its not like they're any better.

of course, this brings out another interesting point, a whole 'nother can of worms, about why its acceptable for girls to talk about male figures in music in terms of their sexuality/attractiveness and why its considered predatory when men do it towards women. but im not any sort of qualified academic/feminist/etcetcetc to really discuss this.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

mariaotm

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

as much as the men of ILM like to pretend they're sitting around being a stoic, meaningful and shit, its not like they're any better.

hahaha bbbut we're wrangling with Thee Important Musical Issues of Our Tyme!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

and maria otm as a mofo.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks matt. now drop and give me head.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

am i alone in thinking she looks cute in that one picture?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm sick of being treated like a piece of meat around here.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

im sorry honey.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

well, in fairness, i do dress pretty slutty.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Stencil, no, you're not alone. (Not to be all predatory and stuff).

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe it's this weird subconscious need for women to be seen as docile and not confidently expressing their more shallow desires, which seems to be a'ight for a lot of guys? not saying this is what everyone on this thread is on about, but I've seen it on ILX for sure.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Maria NTM (near the money) except for a few gripes I'd have with that -- one of which is that it's possible to be annoyed with someone's "strong work ethic" success when the work is going in directions you think seem a bit "cheap"; I was saying exactly this about Klosterman (who was it who said it was like "watching someone get paid to drink??"), and I while I know pretty much nothing about SL's career success, I could imagine people having the same sensation.

My friend pulled me over to an SL DJ night, cause she had to drop off a demo, cause evidently SL's trying to start a label??

nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

well, what direction do you think she's going in and what about it do you consider to be "cheap"? lastly, what do you know about her employment?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, sarah's running a label. its called stolen transmissions and putting out singles by a bunch of bands, one of which is from philly and i think are totally awesome.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps this thread requires clarification: by shooting in the face, I really mean c on ts (but I cant. ever.)

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

ging [and some young ones, who am i to exclude!?] white dudes

What the fuck does race have to do with this?

I don't begrudge her "strong work ethic", etc. I just wish the things she had to say -- regardless of how blindingly intelligent she might be -- had a bit more substance to them.

Turning this into a gender battle is (a) so predictable and (b) so boring.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

FWIW, I too think the title of thread is overstating things quite a bit.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No, she's completely off the mark. This thread isn't a manifestation of some misogyny hidden deep inside.. I'm not 'jealous' per se of Ultragrrrl, I just hate what she stands for. If she was a 'he,' I'd 'hate' him as well. And no, I don't really want to shoot her in the face, I'm not that sick. I'm sure she's a nice person.. whatever. This thread really came about from yesterday's post on productshopnyc, in which it was said that she, of all the bloggers, had mucho industry power/say. And what for? For hyping the latest flavor of the week band with their finely-coifed hair and their perfectly applied eyeliner? For going to all the Soho parties? For 'OMG HOT DRUMMER ALERT' updates? I just don't 'get' it.

And as for the issue of a double standard.. I don't think there is one. I'm sure no one like's Annie's music soley because she's 'hot,' and if they did I'm sure it would be frowned upon, much like liking The Killers or whatever because you want to fellate Brandon Flowers is frowned upon.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Turning this into a gender battle is (a) so predictable and (b) so boring.

and yet, thats what it is. so quit trying to deny it.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

just saying someone looks cute doesn't make it predatory! sheesh.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, Maria, no point in getting all combative when someone has just mostly-agreed with you.

The hot parties are in Soho now?

nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

OK OK, sorry. i just spent my morning arguing with privileged frat dudes about why "gimme shelter" is important and "not dumb".

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"gimme shelter" is pretty dumb and important and fun all at once!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just kidding Stencil (about the predatory part, which referenced Maria's earlier statement). I wasn't kidding about the cute part.

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The hot parties are in Soho now?

Duh, where have you been?

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

And "Gimme Shelter" rules.

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

...and here I thought the thread title read, "I want to shoot in Ultragrrrl's face"......


The thing that annoys me about her is that, no doubt, her book is chock full of bands and music that I probably really really like and have invested hours and hours of time listening to and reading about -- and yet one gets the impression that she heard or read about some band (let's say Gang of Four or Talk Talk or whatever it may be), downloaded a few mp3s, gave them enough spins to sense that it's cool music, and now seems to be saying, "Hey look what I found!" It's the whole indie fanzine trend where you attain legitimacy simply by having an opinion and expressing it in a ultra-casual and usually sarcastic manner.

But hell, if there's lists in the book I'll pull it off the shelf at Barnes & Noble and read it in one sitting, so who knows what the hell I'm talking about....

PB, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

..and here I thought the thread title read, "I want to shoot in Ultragrrrl's face"......

Hyperbole? Sarcasm?

Surely it wouldn't have this many replies if it were simply named "I dislike Ultragrrl."

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, hstencil OTM re: Gimme Shelter.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

gimme shelter is good but i don't think it should be taken as a representation of anything larger than itself ("end of an era, sob").

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, he's right. but you know, i had to get the frat dudes to think outside their khaki clad box.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link


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