grime in 2004

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in the new fact magazine, wiley says his next step is to pursue a live sound, as hes got a new drum kit. dizzee also said in rwd that he wants to try a live sound too as hes been listening to old marvin gaye records. im not sure if this is a good omen for the future of grime! (if this actually happens that is). electronic musics going organic usually makes them soft.

there's a jammer remix of the new roots manuva single by the way. roots redoes his vocal so he sounds kinda like a grime MC in how he spits on it.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

my mate was playing me new roll deep stuff the other day, next generation stuff and it sounded very good. one of the tunes starts out like a celine dion number or something. its brillaint thought.

demon does the armshouse lyric.

....., Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I once imagined a quasi-live-garage sound that was sorta like "Boo!", but sadly beyond that track itself and a coupla others circa 2001 it never materialised.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

A live sound could work, as long as they don't just try to play the electronic beats straight on a drum, which I'm sure they won't. I imagine they will both experiment with different sound before deciding whether or not to go with it.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

well hopefully it will be ok. i just have a fear everytime electronic genres try to go all trad-musical. i'd like to think they wont take the trad-live route and will maybe just do some weird stuff, but something tells me theyll try to take a typically 'musical' route. i could be wrong though - i hope so. its too early to say anyway.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

As long as they get the cellos in...

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

a hired out string section, bald white drummer, fender rhodes, and brass section, i need all of it.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Sticky used to have lots of live drum samples on his dubs, check out the drums on "Golly Gosh". Anyway, Target always had a kind of live instrumental sound didn't he.

Talking about new Rolldeep stuff, what's that mad riddim that has a classical string sample on it.

sgfhgs, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Target definitely, especially "Earthwarrior" which is like 2001-era raggage sheepishly held out as an 8-bar.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprised that the Kode 9 and Dadi Gee 10"s aren't getting much talk on here. The hyperdub 10s are both great - kind of a lot more dub, but also didn't get me a kicking from the promoter when I played it at the weekend, whereas any decent grime bass-line did.

-- 3underscore (tripleunderscore__...), December 1st, 2004.

The Kode 9 10"s are totally amazing, but probably dont get a mention here because this is a grime thread and they're more part of the dubstep scene.

out of interest where did you play them tripleunderscore?

martin (martin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Coincidently, I heard Full Mack Crew on On Top spitting over "Freshair" recently.

dsgdsrg, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Coincidently, I heard Full Mack Crew on 95.5 spitting over "Freshair" recently.

dsgdsrg, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah I love "Fresh Air", although it always seemed profane to actually hear rapping over it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i got some new bashy mix CD called 'UR MUM VOL 1 (seriously), its got yet another wiley dis track on it with a stupid skit about trying to sell wiley with noone buying him. he then disses him over nas' ether beat. its tragically shit, and bashy is basically a bad UKHH artist.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 2 December 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that Bashy CD isn't saying much at all. I know I've lost touch with the kids when I read on RWD that Bashy murked Wiley. One of the most unimaginative disses I've heard that simply reiterates what Doogz, Sharky Major et al have said in the past. Think it's taking it too far bringing Wiley's sisters name into it. Great to see government funding going towards studio projects like this don't you think...

Think of all the new Roll Deep stuff, aside from Shake A Leg, Back In The Day (produced by Target, nice piano sample, featuring Wiley) is one of the beautiful pieces of music I've heard in ages.

Chantelle Fiddy, Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

On the Kode9 tip just came across this interview where he was saying that grime is more 'forward' than forward if you know what i mean

http://www.drumzofthesouth.com

Jon B, Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

worse than kids saying bashy murked wiley is kids saying that dizzee murked titch. matter of fact, wileys answer back to dizzee's track on showtime talking about what happened in napa is better than dizzee's too.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 2 December 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
just read on teletext on channel 4 that dizzee has signed class a to dirtee stank/XL as his first signing, after they walked from their original deal with XL. slightly weird thing to do cos class a are pretty shit (apart from having a few good beats). of all the people he could have signed to his label, im not sure why he picked them.

after that horrendous band aid 20 thing, where he ruined an already shit remake and this, im starting to wonder about his taste and judgement.

tasmaniandevil, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone want to do a quick summary of ten MUST HEAR/MUST LOVE grimey tracks that AREN'T on Run The Road or any album?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

dizzee - stop dat
kano - what have you done
kano - boyz luv girls
wiley - wot do u call it (or his ENTIRE album)
dizzee riko or kano - ice rink

i hate doogz so im not gonna mention anything by him cos hes too irritating and gimmicky. im sure other people could mention more than me.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 30 December 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

simon's blog entry for today has a lot more than 10 steve -- go there and look.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 30 December 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone please explain to me what sinogrime is????

manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Grime with this Chinese sounding percussion on them, like Wonder's What, as used by Dizzee Rascal on Respect Me.

JoB (JoB), Friday, 31 December 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

oh ok. why call it sinogrime though?!

just heard some audio of d double e MCing over jungle, and he sounded 359084958396895068396839056490584590386908690368903683906890383906839 times better than when trying to spit at slower tempos or trying to do more hip hop style MCing. amazing!!!!!

manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

that doesnt surprise me. most grime MCs need to stop trying to make hip hop tracks.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

but it's the only way they'll make any cash...

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, well, thats a sad fact, but id rather hear early roll deep tracks then something like let it out, personally. or diz's i luv u compared to that new thing on 1xtra, lets go to work, which is jsut terrible!!!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's just called oriental grime.

scg, Friday, 31 December 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2JUU50B036NZ12B4N2136NJWTV

theres the d-double on jungle audio from radio. i dunno how anyone can hear that and then think that he should be making hip hop tracks. he sounds so incredible and right at home on 160bpms.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'd go along with that. i got about ten minutes of d.e.e sharky and stormin over jungle. mac 10 just started playing it towards the end of a set a couple of years ago and they're all amazing on it, stormin more than anyone, he smashes it. i don't know what it is with those slow tempoes, but it does always sound rubbish, unless your name's kano, he sounds alright on a slower beat, otherwise its terrible as a general rule.

l///, Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
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DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Snakes On A Plane!

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlw_ZGwWhw

how has this aged for yall half a decade later??

ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:39 (thirteen years ago) link

lol grime

srsly dudes pastiche aesthetic + amiable nihilism (Display Name), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link

how has this aged for yall half a decade later??

pretty well tbh! another song that was played at the protests so the kids haven't forgotten it either.

we have "pow! 2011" doing the rounds now too (with jme, wiley, kano, p money, 2 face, ghetts & chipmunk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqQsbenUvQ

my favourite was always "forward 2" though - flirta d's mouth <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zxEi6MDlA

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-5c80-7bAM

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Fwd 2011 isn't very good really, someone needs to take Kano and Chipmunk to the knackers yard really. I'd argue that grime probably means more and is more relevant in Britain in 2011 than it was in 04-05, ie premature internet hype phase.

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

wish there was more Run The Roads tbh

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

like i always enjoyed grime, but not nearly enough to do the actual homework on cobbling all the rando singles and YouTubes and radio shows that fueled it.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Spotify work in the US yet? There are a load of grime playlists on there, although that's obviously a bit selective.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish the bit from Lord of the Decks w/ d double e riding his moped around Newham was on youtube. classic material

missingNO, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

"how has this aged for yall half a decade later?"

High points of grime (of which "Pow" was one) still sound really good to me.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Admittedly I probably (like with jungle, garage, well anything UK continuum related) have way way too many discs which lean more toward the mediocre than the sublime, but that's sort of how this works isn't it?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm really excited by stuff going on here atm.
Marger & Rival were set to be a major team, - as demonstrated by this absolute boy of a first set on Logan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPu9qfB0EIg

but now Margs has gone ego nuts & has basically told Rival to go home and get his fuckin shinebox- "sent to the shop, sent to the shop, Rival use to get sent to the shop". The dub also featured a little send for MIK, who's certainly got a reply. It's not likely Rival will reply- he seems really upset on Twitter.

Instrumentals are v. v. strong at the minute. I love the Spartan meme. the newest remix basically made me dash all my stuff across the room:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfR2KajeY0

these are all amazing in sets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsEiFZjcvr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V7LTQ-fd8c

Oil Gang, Butterz & Pitch Controllers are now doing the releases thing properly, which is great to see.

Trim is back at his best after being in a weird memory crisis last year. It seems that war keeps him going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzoaHrMYj3s

Chronik is out of jail, and sounds terrifying these days, and of course Wiley after the avalanche of new music last year has reached an apex of creative zen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGON32Agu0

boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

marcus nasty needs to slap kano's mum again for that fw2011 verse. "oh what big bars you have!" guhhhh

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

teefed vybz kartel lyrics too

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

good opinion, count me in

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

giggs has done 'hard in da paint' iirc

huzzah

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

logan sama's aaa rwd mix was my fav grime artifact from back when i used to check for this stuff. so well balanced. but its been since lost to the mists of hard drive failure. can anyone up that?

ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link


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