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my favorite is Rooty overall, but my little self-made EP of "Right Here's THe Spot," "Lucky Star," "Plug It In," "Kish Kash" and "Hot'n'Cold" beats it.

miccio can't find his goddamn password, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometimes I think Simon has a problem with clearly defined aesthetic approaches in pop/dance music - the stuff he valorises tends to be in the process of emergence or articulation, or on the way from a to b. I'm not surprised that he loved Remedy (documenting the Jaxx sound emerging out of house) but finds Rooty and Kish Kash (where the Jaxx sound is increasingly aware of itself as an independent property) comparatively weak.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Remedy is overrated, especially in the face of its successors. I think it certainly possesses the Jaxx's best house dance grooves and has the pop classiques of course. Also, going by Tim's assertion here, I think the problems I have with certain spots in the latter 2 recs relate to the Jaxx making their newfound entity status work for them.

BARMS, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I think all three albums are fantastic and I can't imagine not owning any of them.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

No argument there.

Leon Federline (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I went back and got Remedy after loving the other two albums to death, and I was pretty underwhelmed past the singles. So I think I agree with Barima here, that it's overrated compared to the others. I'm trying to imagine what I would have thought of Remedy if the other two didn't exist; it's tricky. I feel like the subsequent albums took the good ideas from the Remedy album tracks and used them to their potential.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

You changed your tune, so to speak*.

Not really, I've always liked it a lot, it's just one of the weaker tracks on a solid, consistent, wondrous piece of work. I just thought Dan's comment was way OTT (surprise surprise).

$V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-but:

SHOW ME YOU'RE A MAN! SHOOOOOW MEEEE YOU'RRRRE AAA MANNNN!"

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

They should've called it 'Steamboat Jaxxy'.

$V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never liked "Supersonic". It rubs me the wrong way in precisely the same manner that "Same Old Show" (another ILM favorite) rubs me the wrong way; it's repetitive without any sense of development or destination and the area of stasis it inhabits is one I find deeply, deeply irritating.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan very OTM

miccio can't find his goddamn password, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i really only like the first half of Remedy

miccio can't find his goddamn password, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

As for me, I go for all of them. That said, great as all three are, I don't find myself *listening* to them all that often. They're like a sugar rush band, a little is more than enough (so while more *is* more [their key point of success -- to put millions of things in and never make it seem like white noise], more listening is not always more enjoying; if anything usually I recuperate by putting something like Lull or Thomas Koner on!).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I like all three, but I honestly go back to stuff like Tony Senghore, Martin Venetjoki, La Cienda Honduras etc. where they took elements of both Basement Jaxx and Daft Punk and released a huge load of great club tracks from them, specifically in that context. They're noisy and busy -- in a good way -- but are much longer, and have room to get noisy.. if that makes any sense.

There are exceptions though...

Search: La Cienda Honduras's cover of Chic's "Everybody Dance" from 2001

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: context - ignoring it's where the Jaxx truly excel. And Senghore certainly doesn't have Jaxx-levels of busy-ness.

The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Woah, I've never even heard of these people. But then I'm just not 'with it' these days.

$V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

neither are they, haha.

I just don't rate Senghore, never have. So much hype and always disappointing, for me.

I probably like Remedy best of all the records, but I am so sick of Urban Outfitters staff asking me to play Basement Jaxx that I think I will one day hate them with a fever. The sentence "This is depressing, put on Basement Jaxx" actually makes my blood boil, particularly when "depressing" seems to equal anything which pauses for breath.

"Jus One Kiss" and the more purified anonymous stuff I can still handle but the mental Jaxx type stuff just annoys me now, which is kind of sad.

I sometimes think working in a record store really makes you come face to face with your own taste in a very real way, and you kind of drop alot of stuff that fitted into a nice eclectic music view you had before in favour of ploughing down certain avenues, not necessarily all one genre either.

I dunno, I just don't like Basement Jaxx anymore really.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I just don't rate Senghore, never have. So much hype and always disappointing, for me.

Was Senghore ever hyped? really?

I get blank stares from techno/house DJs everywhere in the states when I mention Senghore. The only people I have met who are fanatics as I luckily run a dance record store in Seattle.

I love Senghore.. then again, I like the weird synth noises and what not. Same with some Hakan Lidbo. To each his/her own I guess.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

In the UK mags he was hyped a good bit, about 2003 in the summer I think, which probably says it all cos that was a bleak spell for house music!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. I am now really glad that I never worked in a record store; I can't imagine coming to the point where I would start disliking the Jaxx. They'd have to do something like releasing a song called "Fuck That Stupid Nigger Dan Perry" and even then I'd probably hum the hook furtively behind closed doors.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

so much has changed in two years.

btw, the dialogue upthread is one reason I try to keep myself from posting about a hyped album I've only heard once or twice. I still think Kish Kash is a saggy whole, but individual tracks are masterstrokes once you find the core track underneath all the bells and whistles.

miccio can't find his goddamn password, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. I am now really glad that I never worked in a record store

It's one thing I swore I would never do. And I never have.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Corrina Joseph - "Lonely" (and other stuff from the Atlantic Jaxx comp) is still my favorite.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a good collection, I need to dig that out again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

It's mostly great, working in a store, just there are bad sides, like anything.

And Dan, haven't you heard that Jaxx b-side? I can't believe they attacked you like that!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to 'Live Your Life With Me' again for the first time in ages yesterday and I am never going to get tired of this shit.

$V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Ronan by the same token I presume you're sick of Daft Punk and the Chemical Brothers too?

$V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Just because of the Ronan disses, I'm going to be posting YSI links to digitized Senghore tracks on this thread tonight...

Implying "they're not 'with it'" then claiming he was a hype in summer 2003 (when most of his stuff was actually from 2000 and 2001) requires evidence from the contrary.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe it's not real dance music

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

well... now that this thread is going to anguish for another 500 posts or so, I'm still dedicated to posting those Senghore tracks tonight. I won't give up. (Unless Anthony, who's visiting and here for the night, wrestles me out of it.)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The good Mr. Easton? Please tell him hello, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

And Dan, haven't you heard that Jaxx b-side? I can't believe they attacked you like that!

I know, the dirty bastards!

*looks around furtively* Fuck that nigger/Fuck that nigger/Dan Perry is a dick/Kick his ass/Kick his ass/Bitch-ass punk makes me sick

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The weird thing is Renee Fleming sang it. She was jealous of your operatic skills.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Halle Berry is in the video, too. She holds up a sign stating the title of the track.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Renee's coloratura was frickin' weak on the bridge.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

No I still like Daft Punk.

About Senghore, I was just kind of joking saying he's not with it, stuff like "Whaddup" on Underwater and a few high profile remixes like the Audio Bullys one got alot of hype in the British press in 2003.

As regards maybe it's not real dance music, you'd annoy me more if you stuck to doing yokel style racial stereotype impressions of people from far away countries you've never been to : )

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

donut I would like to hear your Senghore, I think.

Ronan, is that because the Daft Punk saturation has not been as copious? perhaps because of the division regarding Human After All? (which in turn has really convinced me definitively that BJ are superior overall).

$V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I was always a much bigger Daft Punk fan anyway, and their relative conservatism (ie, being house music) has kept them fresher, for me anyway. What they do is sort of a constant, I guess that's the advantage/disadvantage of house music.

I mean pre Human Afterall, I just kind of think of that as "ok". I dunno, Daft Punk style music was my favourite stuff for about 2 years!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Whaddup" sucked. It's probably the only Senghore single I'd probably sell.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

If "Whaddup" is the only thing that got hyped, I feel really really sorry for Senghore.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

no there were others. "The System", and many many remixes.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I don't recognize the singles you're mentioning, Ro. I stopped seeing Senghore stuff in stores around 2003 or so, mysteriously.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Anywhere, I'll post some stuff and "Whaddup" for comparison sake, and let ILM judge!

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The synthesis of Donut and Ronan's position is also the correct position: Senghore used to be really good circa 00-01, and the quality of his work dropped precipitously at the same time that the UK Dance mags started hyping him.

The context for the hype, Donut, was that he sorta fitted into that "hooligan house" sub-genre which promised to emerge in the brief interval between disco-house and electro-house - think Armand Van Helden's "Little Black Spiders", "Where's Your Head At", Par-T-One's "I'm So Crazy", Green Velvet's "La La Land", Audio Bullys "We Don't Care" etc.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Ugh. Sad. Senghore was mad crazy genius when he, Hakan Lîdbo, Martin Venetjoki, had nothing better to do than release 12"s every other day in the early 00s.. not only that, they also formed a gazillion side projects like La Cienda Honduras, Wackdaddies, and probably many others that also released singles every other week.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

It's similar to how Chicken Lips started sucking badly around the same time, in fact. Echoman was the first sign of "eeh", and then I sorta fell off the must-get-every-Chicken-Lips wagon quickly.

However, those first two EPs by Chicken Lips are stone cold classics... "Shoe Beast" (which I used to have on Mp3 but lost, and sadly don't own on wax) from 1998(?) and the "Git Back" EP from 1999... fucking genius. Best dance tracks since the initial Daft Punk, Impulsion, and Micronauts.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Arg. I just got myself into yet ANOTHER digitization project, didn't I...

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree that Chicken Lips fell off quite a bit (Extended Play was so boring!)but their DJ mixes (and to some extent their remixes) at least have been great of late

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 May 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurry up, donut! U've been fairly otm so far. Including your views on 'Whaddup?'. I like evrything else I have by him, being the remixes of the Bullys, Ladytron (awesome), Syndicated People and Chamonix. I'll trade you two of those for some brilliant J-Pop.

My fave Chicken Lips tracks are on the mix they did for DJ Magazine 4 years ago.

The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I had to let the YSI links run overnight because the site was too slow and i had to get to bed :(

But they're done now, and now I have to get ready to go to work... so in a few hours, there will be five links up.. I'll also revive the senghore thread from years ago with the links as well. (and maybe Mark Sinkah's parody thread)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link


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