NE-YO v THE DREAM

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J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

i cant think of anyone who doesnt post on ilm or who isnt constantly thinking about their village voice poll saying "this is the best song of the year" when that song is on.

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

its a great track but theres this thing where critics jump on to some random R&B and decide to make a huge deal about it in a weird way.

ultimate example of this

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, "Ditch That" is the sleeper. I only discovered it last week. All those key/tempo changes!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

i cant think of anyone who doesnt post on ilm or who isnt constantly thinking about their village voice poll saying "this is the best song of the year" when that any song is on.

rev, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

its a great track but theres this thing where critics jump on to some random R&B and decide to make a huge deal about it in a weird way.

Yes, because I never listen to R&B.

I never got the "Umbrella" love, but "...Lie" is the first track to make Rihanna sound like a human being.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

deej, you know that's dumb shit, especially when I've got Mary's "Fade Away" blasting on my computer speakers now.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

its not even that yr necessarily 'wrong' it just has a tendency to sound really disconnected w/ a hint of forced transgression

im not talking about whether you're a 'real' R&B fan or something stupid like that Alfred! i'm talking about whether you vote in critics polls

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

lots of xps: Really, Good Girl Gone Bad isn't any less innovative than Chain Letter was, and unlike the latter, not a total mess.

rev, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

deej are you clowning critics polls?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

really this is an excuse for me to lol @ the chicago reader

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

but all critics practice forced transgression!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

haha wow, yeah, I (over)rated the Brooke Valentine album as much as anybody, but 1500 words about how it's a tragedy that "D Girl" tanked and a follow up was never released?

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

the first track to make Rihanna sound like a human being.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, May 1, 2008 12:46 PM (Thursday, May 1, 2008 12:46 PM) Bookmark Link

bullshit

rev, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

lol did this dude just compare Brooke Valentine to Sly Stone.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Rihanna is simply a traditionalist rather than an innovator—Otis Redding rather than Sly Stone, High on Fire rather than Khanate.

hi im a critic :D

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i27.tinypic.com/6eq2h1.jpg

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link

bullshit

-- rev, Thursday, May 1, 2008

I'm a Ciara-Amerie man myself.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link

anyway rock critics jumping on an album by a fringe artist and making it a 'huge deal' so it's not really news. at least love/hate is good enough to deserve it.

btw wtf is this album officially called? Love Me All Summer/Hate Me All Winter? Love/Hate? LoveHate?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

anyway rock critics jumping on an album by a fringe artist and making it a 'huge deal' so it's is not really news.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not sure how Ciara qualifies as "human-sounding" and Rihanna doesn't.

rev, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

i guess what im saying upthread, and this may in some ways be an untenable point but i think theres some legitimacy, is sometimes it just seems corny with echoes of 'hell hath no fury' when a bunch of dudes rally around some random R&B album track

anyway rock critics jumping on an album by a fringe artist and making it a 'huge deal' so it's not really news. at least love/hate is good enough to deserve it.

the dream isnt really a 'fringe artist'

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure he meant B. Valentine

rev, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Ciara's timbre is pretty cool, but her songs are written around this; with Rihanna I feel like the tracks are forcing her to be friskier than she is. She sounds forced.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

deej, i meant fringe in terms of general rock criticism-- it's obv not the same as people making a huge deal out of the field but not the same as lil wayne either

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link

oh i dont have issue w/ them rallying around the dream! i dont think thats corny. its a great album. i think its weird to pick an album track from it and be like 'this is genius!!!' when its yes a great track but not really a standout in an album full of standouts, i think maybe part of my problem is it sounds like when someone picks up on a single track like that that they aren't actually checking for the rest of the record

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

ok i agree with that

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i dont mean to make it seem like im moving the goalposts everytime i say something, im just kind of thinking thru this thing out loud

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Ranking the tracks:

"Livin' a Lie"
"Ditch That"
"Falsetto"
"Fast Car"
"Purple Kisses"
"I Luv Your Girl"
everything else

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

alfred doesnt actually like the album, he likes "traxxx"!!!

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

your two favorites are like the least representative

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link

i was thinking about making an album poll but at this point it would be repetitive

i think 'falsetto'->'luv songs' is my favorite stretch and at any point any one of those is probably my favorite but i love the whole thing

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link

'nikki' is basically the only one i don't really like

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link

your two favorites are like the least representative

-- deej, Thursday, May 1, 2008 4:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

wtf is wrong liking the songs that are unrepresentative of album the most!? i just mean in general, not just this particular example.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link

alfred doesnt actually like the album, he likes "traxxx"!!!

Ha! When you're a critic, contribute to year-end lists, drink the Kool-Aid, etc, you can't waste time learning to love perfectly average songs, brah.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

wtf is wrong liking the songs that are unrepresentative of album the most!? i just mean in general, not just this particular example.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:09 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i dont mean there's anything wrong w/ it in general, just 'rong' in the lol opinions sense that what im getting from this album is a vibe that isnt really hitting with him

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link

'nikki' is great! that whole stretch is the heart of the record

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha! When you're a critic, contribute to year-end lists, drink the Kool-Aid, etc, you can't waste time learning to love perfectly average songs, brah.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

'luv songs' =/= 'perfectly average'

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

It's ok. I'm pretty sure you and I don't share sexual preferences either.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

what does that have to do with liking luv songs

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

alfred doesnt like tits or 'luv songs', which is o_O in an 'opinions are like assholes' sense

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

okay guys I have a question.

"the american dream. mmhmm. and you know what I mean.."

what does he mean?

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Loving tits and assholes without fear of reprisal.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link

It's ok. I'm pretty sure you and I don't share sexual preferences either.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, May 1, 2008 4:16 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

what does that have to do with liking luv songs

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, May 1, 2008 4:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Alfred does this "oh I guess that's a record for you STRAIGHT people" thing all the time, I don't really get it either.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm not straight either and i jam "luv songs" so im doubly wtf

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link

dude, all I said was a variant on different-strokes-for-different-folks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link

it doesn't read that way though

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Alfred does this "oh I guess that's a record for you STRAIGHT people" thing all the time

Yes, ALL THE TIME. Plz to post every time sexuality's come up when I discuss music in print or on ILM.

(I'm enjoying the teasing, but c'mon)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link

when its yes a great track but not really a standout in an album full of standouts, i think maybe part of my problem is it sounds like when someone picks up on a single track like that that they aren't actually checking for the rest of the record

"Livin' a Lie" and "Ditch That..." were definitely my gateways into this album thanks to Rich Juzwiak's House of RnB mix. I agree that they're the least representative tracks on the album (well, besides "Mama"!) but they're also the most immediate. They were reason enough for me to buy the album.

Ranking these tracks is not easy!

Luv Songs
Livin' a Lie
Fast Car
Falsetto
Purple Kisses
Ditch That
Playin' in Her Hair
Shawty is Da Shit
I Luv Your Girl
She Needs My Love
Nikki
Mama

lou, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm not straight either and i jam "luv songs"
^^^^^^^

lou, Thursday, 1 May 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link


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