ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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poor outkast and strokes now these overlooked classics will never achieve the critical recognition they deserve!!!

artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i own 35 of the records on the list. that's more than i thought i would have for some reason. i will go buy the rest of them tomorrow. and if it is kid a coming up next then make that 36.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh, my last post was post 666, i'm gonna post again real quick so that i don't die.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevem, can you hurry up and finish the thing off before we all hate each other too much?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

bring on the hate

(homework is def rub really)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, the "randomness" does lead to some intruiging placings (i.e. stuff other than the "standards" throughout the list), but if you're doing that at the expense of representing people's true faves (there are some huge, huge omissions here), then it takes away from the defined intention of the list -- to pick the best songs/albums of the half-decade.

Obviously, there's a balance that should be struck somehow (not like I have any bright ideas right now on how to do it better if there is a next time, but still).

(xposts)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I want to start cooking my dinner...

Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Artiste does raise the question of what purpose lists like this are supposed to serve. Is it supposed to mark an accurate reflection of what you like, or is it supposed to help spotlight albums that haven't gotten enough recognition? I guess I always assume it's the former, and then I read about Roger Ebert putting something on his top 10 list (I forget what it was) because he knew nobody else was going to and he wanted to give it some attention. That's probably why so many people voted "strategically," too; I just never think in those terms, I was so busy trying to come up with an accurate reflection of my own favorites.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know - these lists never actually mean anything so i think there's some potential to have some fun in acknowledging they don't mean anything and playing with that

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

but if you're doing that at the expense of representing people's true faves

Well if a record isn't a single person's #1 fave then I don't think people can be begrudge its non-appearance too much. You all had the chance to nominate them folks!

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 2

Points: 1467
No. of votes: 55
No. of #1 votes: 10

Artist: DAFT PUNK
Title: DISCOVERY
Label: Virgin
Year: 2001

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/discovery.jpg

This record means a lot to me. My strongest memory of it is linked to
this board, oddly enough. It was summer 2001, the big rooftop party at
Suzy's block of flats where London ILX really got going. It was a
fantastic day. As the afternoon lazed on and we all got drunk we
decided to go and put Daft Punk on the stereo - about half of us
danced around like wallies and sung "One More Time" as loudly as we
could. Every time I play that song it reminds me not to give up on
pop, people, stuff. Bad times are cyclical: the beat will come back,
the dance will go on. That sounds corny - well, the song sounds corny.
But I honestly believe it, and I love Daft Punk for catching that
feeling.

There are lots of rational reasons to like Discovery. It is elegant.
It is playful. It is a sketchbook of most of the possibilities
remaining to house music (my original draft expanded at some boring
length on this). It is full of noises you knew were beautiful and
noises you didn't know were beautiful. It has the best love song of
the decade on it (and "Something About Us" is pretty fucking amazing
too). Thomas and Guy-Manuel look fantastic in their robot suits. Also
I'd be lying if I didn't admit I like how they baffle and even annoy
some people. But the main thing I love about Discovery is its
optimism, its love of life in all its bathetic, glorious, cheesy,
beautiful diversity.

(In the context of this list I am hugely tempted to contrast that
optimism with - well, you can probably guess, and do it yourself.)

I think you either hear that optimism in Daft Punk or you don't. If
you don't, you probably hear it somewhere else. People listen to music
- and sorry if this bit gets embarrassing - to make their lives
better. People talk about that music, discuss it and share it to make
each others' lives better. And so here we are. I have not lived up to
this philosophy that much on ILM. ILM in general has not lived up to
that philosophy much. But it's done a better job than almost anywhere
else I can think of on the Internet. What I'm trying to say is
thankyou Daft Punk, and thankyou ILM, and even if sometimes I'd
happily see this place deleted I think in ten years time I'll be
really proud of having started it. Now go and listen to this record
again you fuckers. Tom Ewing

Recommended tracks: Digital Love, One More Time, Harder Better Faster Stronger, Something About Us


No. 1

Points: 1619
No. of votes: 55
No. of #1 votes: 10

Artist: RADIOHEAD
Title: KID A
Label: Parlophone
Year: 2000

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/kida.jpg

Recommended tracks: Idioteque, Everything In it's Right Place, Optimistic, Morning Bell

The margin! Misery beats fun! There's enough you can say about the result and what it says about ILM. I will leave that up to you What about the album though....?

Kid A made it safe for the indie kids to actually think about how music is constructed and how it is \"art\" without being too wank about it all. Mattson Carlhew

I have a feeling I\'m not alone in putting Radiohead at the top of the list. What else could (almost) everyone agree on from the past 4 years? Radiohead practically gets the crown by default, simply because nothing else remotely iconic was released. Remember all the press attention and word of mouth about this album? I remember when it came out I lived with a kid who had voted for Bush, and Radiohead was virtually the only thing we had in common. We drove to the next town to get our copies at midnight, and listened to the whole thing as soon as we got back. Our respective reactions were irrelevant--what matters is that no other release has mattered that much since then. If KID A had come out in 1991, would it have been overshadowed? Probably, but who knows. It doesn\'t matter. What works in the music worlds makes as little sense as what works in politics. Back when the biggest threat to the world seemed to be boy bands, Radiohead instilled the kind of hope in us white college kids that John Kerry wishes he could instill now. Richard Killiam

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's just slash your wrists music, isn't it?"

Actually, yes.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Radiohead rulzz!!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

told you

artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

move along people. nothing to see.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

So what was number 0?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(I wish Tom's comments could have accompanied the top of the tree.)

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

wait a minute. who all voted radiohead?

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Same number of total votes and same number of #1s, but look at Radiohead's margin of victory!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

woo-hoo!

Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Crimony.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

if ilm loves radiohead so much why don't they marry it. hahahahahaha!!!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(I wish Tom's comments could have accompanied the top of the tree.)

I actually voted Radiohead #2 (behind Mclusky), but yeah, first thing that came to mind as well.

Maciej Kasperowicz (Maciej), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Alright, alright, whatever. Could Stevem please post my ballots on a separate thread somewhere because I've completely forgotten what I've voted for.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i might've voted for kid a! stevem do ballots on another thread plz!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Kid A got 61 votes, not 55 - sorry

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Vaguely relevant threads to amuse yourself with:

Kid A

Taking Sides - Amnesiac vs. Kid A

What artists would you like to see go through a Kid A-ish period of experimental excess?

Ten Words Or Less: Kid A

And one of the first ILM threads ever -- from Tom!

Radiohead Album Cover: What Are They Thinking?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Steve, we love you anyway for putting yourself through such masochistic interweb metalism.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Radiohead practically gets the crown by default,

this is why I hate radiohead so much...

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

We need to undertake research to see if the Voting form was circulated on Radiohead mailing lists/ MBs ;-)

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(As a Brit) is this what all the people who voted Nader in 2000 felt like?

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

the list is not all one thing or all one goal, it is a mix of love and strategy and bile and contrarianism and the desire to share this great record you fell in love with and listened to nothing but for a week or a year

the nom process was good because to burn your one nom you had to really love something. i believe every record on this list is beloved by somebody and i respect that even if i hate some of them.

and thats why this is a good list

and tom's comments made me sad and happy just like the album

sorry im getting emo

im gonna go now

artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

next week: the 90s!

unless i drink myself into oblivion tonight which may be slightly more fun...

later

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yikes - killiam vs. ewing really is a 'now vs. then' isn't it

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

seriously, someone can we just auto-excelsior jess' reaction to this when the time comes?

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA! DAFT PUNK SUCKS!

(and Kid A aint much better)

jed_ (jed), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(You're right, amateurist, I'm the only one to make a few negative comments on this thread, and of course I've said nothing positive on it anywhere at all. Obviously I've been so awful on this thread that it was necessary to call me out for these things.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I still put forth my request to do the 90s poll, but if you want to do it, let me just suggest that we have open voting but be able to vote for more than 15 albums. And that we change 'tracks' to 'singles' and have open voting for that as well.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevem's 2000-4 poll instilled the kind of hope in us white college kids that John Kerry wishes he could instill now.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

omg i hadnt bothered to read the rhead comments before now!!

artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Who is Richard Killiam?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Problem with doing a 90's poll : we already know what will win #1 album. Perhaps we should hand the top spot to Loveless and just vote on #2-#100.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you implying that it's Loveless that's a shoe-in for #1?

uh...

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I would say "Remember that this is ILM" but LOOK AT THE 00 POLL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

open voting in the 90s = pop vote scatters a million directions, indie vote rallies round touchstones

artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

xp boy bands?

bakers (thoia), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

What else would it be?
(xpost OK Computer is no match for Loveless, except on PFM, but their points tabulation system was fucked anyway)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Loveless won the ILM poll of best record of all time, but that was a while ago.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Even beat out Britney. And I didn't vote in that one either!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link


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