Worst Genre: Metalcore,Deathcore or Nu-Metal?

and I think the rolling metal thread folks hated it too

No Crabcore, no credibility.

hahaha

There are some good, formulaic deathcore and metalcore bands that I enjoy. Can't say the same for mu-metal.

I wouldn't say nu-metal is dead commercially, Disturbed and Godsmack still sell very well, and a ridiculous number of people bought the new Otep album a couple weeks ago.

And you can't call SOAD and Deftones nu-metal, they transcended that tag ages ago.

Weird how God Forbid would be called deathcore...their new album leans towards traditional metal more than anything.

mu-metal.

Whoops.

Moo-Metal

luckily i've been spared most of this nonsense but going on the few bands i've unfortunately heard, it's metalcore

youre too young to remember nu-metal then i assume?

wish i was

dude idk - what's nu-metal, limp biskit and the like? that's not as bad as underoath or the devil wears prada

Um... hmm.

Come to think of it I'd much rather listen to Godsmack than the Devil Wears Prada.

tough call.

I'd count botch/converge as metalcore and those bands rule.

on the nu-metal tip, I like linkin park "faint" and deftones. "let the bodies hit the flo" is pretty lolsy, too.

deathcore has no reason to exist, as far as I can tell. gonna go with that.

Botch maybe but not Converge, but yes, both rule, and even if they were metalcore, they still couldnt save it as a genre.

I like tons of others 90s metalcore bands too (rorschach, coalesce, early cave in, etc.) but different strokes for different folks.

yeah, metalcore now doesn't mean what it used to mean. now people just use it to describe all the horrible melo-death-influenced crud.

nu-metal is definitely the worst though. i can't think of a single nu-metal band i would want to listen to. the only times i could stomach some nu-metal bands is when they let their new wave flags fly. some of them were just frustrated goth bands in metal drag. and the ministry + nine inch nails elements were easier to take than the rap + pantera elements.

i still like stuff that used to be described as "metallic hardcore". not crossover stuff, but dumb riff and breakdown heavy hardcore. cuz i'm from connecticut. and i have to.

Nu-metal, though I'm not so keen on deathcore either. Could never vote for Metalcore because Calculating Infinity is one of the most bitchingly awesome albums ever.

modern day metalcore then for the purposes of this poll. the shit thats been so ubiquitous the past 5 years or so

There are exactly two bands in the nu-metal neighborhood that I fucking love. Sepultura and Will Haven. WHVN are so fucking underrated, it's sad.

nu-metal was a quick-fadded scourge that managed to simultaneously do even more to "malign the genre of metal" whilst dragging down further the mental intellect of bozos throughout the world. Metalcore wins out of the three, singularly because of Converge. Fuck knows what Deathcore is, but it doesn't sound very good.

Converge, while being a band that meld hardcore and metal, are not really anything to do with metalcore the genre as being discussed in this thread.

imo

I'd half forgotten about Botch. C. Thomas Howell as the Soul Man is a jam.

Oh come on, people. Sure, there's a lot of really crappy metalcore, but the big dogs of the genre like Shadows Fall, God Forbid, Killswitch, and All That Remains have released some seriously awesome material. I'd rather listen to the worst Shadows Fall record than the very best that nu-metal had to offer. At least those bands have killer guitar work and solos and not just "chunk chunk chunk."

All That Remains and God Forbid have turned into a couple of pretty great bands. Tough to call either metalcore anymore...those hardcore elements are minimal now.

Is Neurosis metalcore? And if not, why not?

cuz its not

Neurosis make "heavy music".

for people with beards

i had a beard once. d'ya think i'd like 'em?

Listen to Enemy of the Sun. If you don't like it, give up.

if you dont like Neurosis youre no friend of mine :)

and check out Through Silver In Blood first.

early neurosis is worth checking out too, just totally different.

(crusty hardcore instead of the later doomier slower stuff)

i thought Nate only liked the earlier stuff tbh

When they were hardcore they had no metal and when they were metal they had no hardcore

(that's why not, multiple xps)

that too

xxxpost - Word As Law and Souls at Zero are definitely the tipping points between their hardcore and metal eras. As someone who saw those early tours, I certainly remember a lot of punks crying foul that Word As Law sounded like Metallica and that Souls At Zero sounded like a movie soundtrack.

They really had me from Pain of Mind thru Enemy of the Sun. With Through Silver in Blood came Ozzfests and Pantera tours and I lost interest until Times of Grace.

No matter what they do, I like the band and respect them. But when I reach for an album to spin, it's always one of the first 4.

Just because they went on ozzfest after TSIB ,you shouldnt hate it! It rules!

Nu-metal doesn't bother me now, hated it at the time, but I am v unlikely to actually hear it.

Metalcore and Deathcore I'm not sure about yet - can somebody clarify by saying if they are True Metal or False Metal?

xpost-I don't hate it. I just didn't give it a chance. Yet.

Do it!

you wont be disappointed.

you will regret not hearing it sooner

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

does even chuck hate nu metal?

all the death metal djs at my radio station hate "core," and complain about it all the time, which is weird cause i can't even tell one from the other and i listen to deathmetal. i guess it's like how the line between emo and pop punk is really thin and ambiguous, but certain pop punk kids still the shit out of hate emo.

I like all their albums, though...

Honestly, I find the vituperation directed at metalcore kind of baffling. Is it boring and samey at times? Sure, but so is sewer-dwelling DM like, well, Asphyx or Bölzer (I couldn't tell two songs by either band apart with a gun to my head). But what do I know? As you say, metal's a big tent; I listen to Mötley Crüe and Pantera for pleasure all the time, and most "trve" metal released in the last decade fills me with a mixture of boredom and rage. Frankly, I think black metal is the worst thing to ever happen to metal.

I was in agreement with your sewer dwelling DM comment until you shat on Asphyx, who I don't really think fit that description at all (maybe Pathology or something like that)?

I mean I said a lot of the same things as you all upthread - metalcore isn't a *threat* to metal in any sense. I didn't think nu-metal was either (unlike the DALnet nerds who used to say "metal and nu-metal can't co-exist" - wtf), though it obviously had an effect on some older bands that had never previously espoused these sounds that added them to their oeuvre later (ie Slayer), which I don't really see happening with metalcore at all. I think the expanded options that bands have for recording and distributing music in this day and age have kind of staved that off a bit.

As I said upthread, it's more an 'old guy on the lawn' rant. I have no interest in scene 'purity' or being tr00 either, I usually roll my eyes at those folks (how many metalheads does it take to change a lightbulb? 10, one to change the bulb and 9 to whine about how much better the old bulb was). (Also I like Motley Crue's "Shout at the Devil" album!!!). and I do like Job for a Cowboy's last album (it's seriously awesome).

Perhaps I should have said 'melodic metalcore', because the metallic hardcore stuff like Botch, Integrity, Converge, Cave In, Coalesce etc is seriously awesome. for purposes of this thread was just kind of explaining why I currently hate melodic metalcore more than the rest. Deathcore seems far less prevalent to aggravate me and nu-metal would probably be annoying if it actually had any kind of presence in 2015.

Come to think of it, I'm actually more appalled by the love for Deathspell Omega

o_O!

I've been listening a lot to the Sirius Liquid Metal station, and it's kind of like listening to a talk show in Esperanto: totally recognizable but sort of hard to understand. Whole variety of hyper-hyphentated "core" going on there. Every few weeks something I'll come across a rare classic Metallica or Maiden track and I'm like the old guy going "I know that!" And then it's back to this insanely technical growly stuff.

august burns red are a great fucking metal band and are totally metalcore, idk

of course ymmv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3y8KkfNqYo

feel like i mention the same 1-2 bands every time i'm like "oh yeah metalcore can be totally great beyond converge" but it is a very narrow range of bands afaict

also misery signals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqMfm0bOFLk

The only deathcore I'll acknowledge:

http://i59.tinypic.com/255i2qh.jpg

Metalcore and deathcore don't have to suck, right? I mean the crossover era produced some good albums, why is this shit so meathead and dumb?

i don't think i actually know how to recognize deathcore, it's such a minor permutation of metalcore

The vocalists have halitosis

Iirc Corpsegrinder's breath smells like chrysanthemums

I'd imagine it smells like whatever his neck is full of

Ferrets

cool that as i lay dying let their lead singer – you know, the guy who put a hit out on his wife – back into the fold and nme called it 'controversial.' uhhh

funny zing I heard at a Ringworm show from members of the band to their fans - "those parts between the breakdowns are known as 'riffs', folks"