"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

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I only really like Dry and Is This Desire?. Aside from some scattered songs, I don't really have any time for the rest... I haven't listened to Stories... since the week I bought it (not even the duet, which was just...grating).

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

Thom appending "baby" to the end of lines surely has to mean something!

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Friday, 14 May 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

While PJ is almost certainly my favorite artist ever, the only album of hers that I've loved right off the bat has been Stories. (To Bring You My Love's still my favorite.)

Anyway, this one...It didn't make much of an impression the first two times I listened it, but on the third, it clicked. I'm really digging it now.

"The Pocket Knife"'s my favorite track at this moment: "I don't wanna cause a fuss / I just wanna make my own fuck-ups." "The Letter" is surprisingly dance-able (sort of). I had it playing on my computer while I was getting dressed this morning, and I noticed myself really moving to it without even realizing it.

"Seagulls" isn't listed as an actual track on her site, but it was an individual download on the page I found the album on. It's really unnecessary--just a little over a minute's worth of seagulls squawking. Which kind of reminds me of those stupid Sounds of Nature tapes my mom used to put on when she'd get stressed out.

I like just about everything else on Uh Huh Her quite a bit. Even this minute-and-half-long instrumental thing called "The End" is great (mostly just because it vaguely reminds me of Michael Nyman).

Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Friday, 14 May 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

Polly Jean used to be my fav artist. Then she released Stories and even though two or so songs were decent on it, I hated it overall and thought she had sunk to this incorrigible state of blandness. I couldn't stand how Thom sounded like a neutered chipmunk on that song, ew - so much worse than usual. The whole thing was just so generic and colorless, with diminishing emotional impact upon repeated plays. "We Float" is almost late-era Sarah McLaughlinish.

Is This Desire? was a fitfully successful blend of her romantic angst with Trickyian sonics, and is definitely her ugliest and most inaccessible album, which turned a lot of people off. Some of the songs seem almost incomplete and underdeveloped in how short and stark they were, but conceptually, it was her strongest and most coherent work. Probably. It's a toss up between ItD and RoM. I loved how almost evrey song narrated a doomed tale of pitiful female protagonist - and they all had great names. I wish that duet from Angels with Dirty Faces was included as a bonus track, even though it mar the concept. It's also her most classicist, Victorian record, re: the songwriting, so I can understand how some might think it's just humdrum self-indulgent performance art. But I think it's mysterious and beautiul, and the apex of her storytelling skills with how much she can convey through saying so little (revisit "The Wind," "Catherine," "A Perfect Day Elise" - and the sublime "Angelyne").

I anticipate "Uh Huh Her" being a return to form, and I much prefer this cover to her clutching a Gucci bag wearing sunglasses. At night.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 15 May 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

"We Float" is almost late-era Sarah McLaughlinish.
I couldn't figure out what it reminded me of, but that's a good choice. And explains why I like it.

Dry is head and shoulders above her other albums to me, then Rid of Me and the 4-Track Demos, and then the last three.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

"stories" isn't bland, it's just works really well while adhering to more conventions than the first two records. there is a difference btw.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago) link

I don't want to give the inpression that I don't love PJ Harvey by not posting to this thread, but I love PJ Harvey so I'm not posting to this thread.

mei (mei), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:28 (twenty years ago) link

Stories is stripped of the individuality she exhibited on all her previous albums, or at least displays less of it. Countless other writers could have written the lines "But now we float / Take life as it comes," whereas I can think of only a handful that would've penned "Catherine De Barra, you've murdered my thinking / I gave you my heart, you left the thing stinking / I'd break from your spell if it weren't for my drinking ... I envy to murderous envy your lover / 'til the light shines on me I damn to hell every second you breath," much less "I wanna drink milk , eat grapes, have Robert DeNiro sit on my face," etc etceteraaaa. You can be conventional without losing your unique voice; for most other artists Stories may not have been a weak effort, but with her writing abilities, it seems a bit bland and subpar / lackluster to me; she doesn't seem to own the songs as much, imo.

Also, Pitchfork agrees with my view, so of course I am correct

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 15 May 2004 07:42 (twenty years ago) link

That guy she's with is wearing a Big Black shirt.

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 15 May 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

I still think, soundwise if nothing else, "A Perfect Day, Elise" was some kind of apex for her - catchy but tense, physical, tightly compressed, lurching...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 May 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

"Countless other writers could have written the lines..."

eh, but she sings them nicely though.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

Said album title is ridiculous - to the point where it disuades me from wanting to buy it. But that's what happens when you get old and lose something.

JesusMaryChain, Saturday, 15 May 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think amateurist ws on to something with his hasil adkins comment.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I heard the live thing at Peel Acres last week. The new songs seem very stripped back and raw compared to her last LP. She brought in some records for Peel to play. From the obvious (Howlin Wolf) to the strange (Shocking Blue) to the downright WTF? (John Frusciante). She's on Later with Jools Holland tonight.

Robert Moore (treble), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

Even by the writer's own pitiful standards, this has to be the worst record review ever written.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

Petridish really does seem to have a problem with black music, doesn't he?

As usual I have to remind myself that it's not the fault of Petridish, who I suppose can't help being stupid, but the idiots who pay him money to excrete his shit in a broadsheet newspaper.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 11:33 (twenty years ago) link

It's all about "Catherine".

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

I just sat down and read that, Marcello. It's fucking pathetic; if he (or his sub-editor) admits in the fucking header of the review that he's scared of PJ Harvey, how the hell is he meant to deal with anything else? Like, you know, catching a bus or something.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

I saw her live last night, and I think the new songs really show off the range of her voice, and that it's equally strong at the top as well as the low notes.. my favourite is probably the one that goes 'shame, shame, shame', can't remember the title.

I'm not that big a PJ Harvey fan really, I can't stand the songs when she goes mental.. but her melodic songs are great. The Letter's really grown on me.. I didn't like it much at first, but the guitars in that are cool.

The thing that puzzled me last night was how both the blokes and the girls were obsessed with what she was wearing (a yellow dress and pink stillettos by the way.. photos here. You don't get that when you have blokes performing.. even if they were wearing cool boots.

jellybean (jellybean), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

She probably played that John Frusciante record at Peel Acres because she's mates with him.. It's a bit like the Death Disco show last night, when Alan McGee seemed to play mainly tracks by bands that he manages or his wife's group.

jellybean (jellybean), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

i hate to say it (i generally think these guardian slagoffs are way ott) but marcello otm. that review pissed me off quite a lot earlier.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

She's just been on Jools Holland, and was really good. jellybean - she wore the same yellow dress and pink heels as in those photos and the reason for the obsession is that she looks AMAZING!

I'm thinking that this'll be where the glamour-kitten image of Stories... and the dirty blues intensity of Dance Hall At Louse Point meet.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Petridish really does seem to have a problem with black music, doesn't he?

Man, I had the biggest crush on Alexis Petridis when I was 18 or so. ...my how times change.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 28 May 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

yeah. I saw Jools Holland as well.. that outfit does look really good (I was too short to see her shoes when she was playing live)

jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 29 May 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

"on paper, a lot of her songs are structurally pretty boring, but she's got this way of elevating them by virtue of some weird intangible. i dunno if it's the power in her voice or the determination that she executes the material with, but as with most of her stuff, i'm convinced that 90% of these songs would just fall flat in lesser hands."

yep.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 29 May 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

Not sure if this is the thread to say it in, but I was listening to Dance Hall at Louse Point again today and thinking about how massively underrated it is. At times it feels (perhaps ironically) like the ultimate Harvey record - the way the songs switch up constantly and Polly goes from whispers to screams to talking to really pretty singing as if these changes were the most natural thing in the world. And it's constantly intense without being heavy, which is not necessarily a good thing, but it seems to me to be the feeling that Polly's been trying to capture with all her albums post-Rid of Me. Hmm perhaps I really like this album because of the way it seems to combine quite naturally a lot of my favourite aspects of Rid of Me, To Bring You My Love and Is This Desire?

Ha ha and of course "Taut" is the best thing Kim Gordon never did.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 30 May 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, I agree - that's actually my favorite Harvey album, for all the reasons you give. And "Taut" is fantastic, though I prefer the live versions where you can make out the lyrics ...

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 31 May 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

I was a big fan of Rid Of Me and enjoyed Dry as well. I didn't like the change of direction of To Bring You My Love, and proceeded to ignore her output until something (can't remember what now) made me get "Stories" and I actually kinda liked it. I mean, it did have a few great songs on it including "We Float" (will she ever do anything THAT good again?) I didn't like the song she did on it where it sounds too much like she's trying to rip off Patti Smith, though.

Anyway, since then I've had some guilt about not picking up "Is This Desire?" Just never got around to it.

I agree the new album's title and sleeve are both incredibly awful, but I'd like to hear it.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 31 May 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

Tim: My reaction to "Dance Hall" is about the same as "Stories" - one or two good songs, otherwise ick, why'd she bother?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 31 May 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

that pedritish review is shocking - There are artists who have founded long careers purely on making music that people feel they ought to like (in the case of dub reggae, which seems to consist entirely of legendary albums that sound exactly the same as each other, there's a whole genre) he should have been sacked based on that one sentence alone.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 31 May 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

Tim otm about Dance Hall... the 1995-98 period is Polly's golden age as far as I'm concerned, none of those three albums put a foot wrong anywhere.

"Taut" is the best thing ever - "even the sonofgodhadtoDIEMYDARLIN'!!"

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 31 May 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

"Unpronouncable title" says the Guardian guy. Uh huh, it's him.

I thought "Stories" was her best LP ever, actually; I could care less about Thom Yorke but it still worked, that track. Didn't care for her Hal Hartley film too much but so what. Coming to New York did her some good I guess and I like the way she says "San Diego" on that last album. I like the way she seemed to have been all freaked out by America, too, I like her and above poster is right--what she does shouldn't work, it seems kinda simple and stupid but then she sings. Maybe she's been listening to Hasil Adkins or Jandek, judging by the new CD's cover, that's fine.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 31 May 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

(in the case of dub reggae, which seems to consist entirely of legendary albums that sound exactly the same as each other, there's a whole genre)

so, the michael medved of music criticism, then.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim otm about Dance Hall... the 1995-98 period is Polly's golden age as far as I'm concerned, none of those three albums put a foot wrong anywhere."

I like Rid of Me about as much as the subsequent three actually. I bought it when I was thirteen (one of my very first albums) and I still find that I like it more each time I play it (which is not a whole lot, admittedly!).

I'm actually quite looking forward to this album and I love the title and the cover more and more all the time.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 31 May 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, I think 4 Track Demos is the better version of Rid Of Me, it captures that bug-eyed intensity a lot better because it doesn't have Steve Albini producing it badly... also, it has "Easy" and "Driving".

Uh Huh Her was meant to arrive today... where is it? where? Fucking Royal Mail. Grrr.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 07:30 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, the full-on sound of rid of me gets a bit dull after the first few tracks, and i don't really like the dylan cover. four track demos is much better, more idiosyncratic and unpredictable.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

This is an Amazing album. I don't get the lukewarm reviews at all.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

I don't get the "albini ruined Rid of Me" thing either. 4 track demos sound like demos. If you like demos, then fine. Rid of Me sounds like a finished album.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

I've never found it Rid of Me difficult sonically either. It's an exhausting album, but not because of the production.

Never bought 4 Track Demos! Must rectify at some point.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

finally found Uh Huh Her; it's a vinyl rip and not a very great one, but I don't know what people are complaining about. This is a great record.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

if you're on slsk, look for files with "aaf" in their name. I think this is a CD rip.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

4 Track Demos and Rid of Me are equally great. To Bring you my Love is perfect. Is This Desire? is one notch of greatness below the former two, and I echo all the good things said on here about Dance Hall at Louse Point and all the less good things said about Stories... (Can you tell I just read the entire thread and then posted in a glut of Peej-stalgia?) Anyway, based on that, will I like the new one?

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and I don't make a habit of hating on other music writers (yeah, my heart is soft), but that King Tubby diss made me mad. Why'd he pick on him, of all artists?

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeah you'll like it, it's not as polished-rock-y as Songs/Stories. This album reminds me more of Dry than any of the others.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks. Excellent.

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 June 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

You can still listen to the whole album here, for now. ("omlaag" is "down", as in scroll down for the P J album)

JoB (JoB), Friday, 4 June 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Praise the ILM collective.

On first listening, Uh Huh Her is definitely a step back toward some kind of emotional coherence and direction. Like her earlier stuff, it's understated, with few muddying layers, and seems half-written initially. This is a good thing. Many of these songs, while retaining the raw blues spine of her early 90s work, are wrapped in more Latin flesh. And thankfully, her unique eroticism is back, female but not generic.

At times, she almost sounds like she's flirting with preciousness a la Sinéad O'Connor circa I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got, and she gets away with it. At others, she's a dark savant sibling to early Hole Courtney sans the histrionics. In fact, by mostly shedding her own histrionics, and injecting some kind of Patti Smithery (she's done that before, more overtly), her voice has reached its apotheosis (perhaps) without ever succumbing to the dreaded word/concept "mature".

Oh. Another quick observation: the album gets progressively stronger.

Fuck, this is nice. It'll change, I'm sure, but for now, standouts are "The Life and Death of Mr. Badmouth", "Shame", "The Slow Drug", "It's You", "The Desperate Kingdom of Love" and "The Darker Days of Me and Him".

The shorter songs/interludes help stitch it together. It feels like it all belongs. (Even those seagulls.)

Embarrassing as it sounds, I love her (music!) more than ever. This makes me very happy.

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 03:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks for the detailed synopsis, David.

I just want to defend Albini's production of Rid Of Me wholeheartedly. I remember when I first heard his production of Wedding Present Seamonsters and it took me years to get used to it despite my respect for both him and the Weddoes. With PJ, though, his production made perfect sense because there was more silence, more breathing room. It's hard to imagine that album having been better without him.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Oddly enough, I've always preferred Albini's production of bands/artists who actively use silence between the sounds, such as Low or Nina Nastasia. I think when you realise this about him, even the more dense stuff he's produced makes more sense, somehow.

(As for my synopsis, I've quit worrying about embarrassing myself on ILM -- my personality leans toward the ridiculously effusive and enthusiastic, I just can't do hipster reserve, so I no longer even try.)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree. This place often suffers from hipster reserve as though it were a physical ailment it can't shake. Ruins my enjoyment in being here. I'd rather see someone go absolutely apeshit over some band I don't like than look at boring, dry holier-than-thou hipster reserve all day.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link


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