Seriously, is there anything better than the Pet Shop Boys?

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So Alex, the question is, are they referencing the book specifically?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone have a digital copy of the PSB movie "It Couldn't Happen Here?" I remember going to see that as a kid for the one night that it played in Santa Cruz. We all got promo flexi-singles (I should see if I still have that, and sell it on eBay!) and little mini-posters. I loved the movie at the time, but I doubt that I really was able to grasp its deeper themes and/or utter shite-ness as a fifteen-year-old kid.

A funny PSB story (also from my teenage years):

When I was a senior in high school, I got good enough grades to take classes at UCSC. I was a nice kid, but pretty clueless. So one day I'm riding the bus up to UCSC, with a PSB t-shirt on (the one with Neil holding a giant bundle of long-stemmed roses), and this guy starts chatting with me about what a big Pet Shop Boys fan he is, and how I should come over to his dorm room and check out his collection of rare B-sides, etc.

Needless to say, I was very excited. We made plans, and I ended up in his suite, listening to Pet Shop Boys records and tapes for a few hours, before heading back home. He seemed a little confused and annoyed when I left, but I thought nothing of it at the time, and we never hung out again.

It took me about 4 years before I realized what a clueless straight-boy I was.

My favorite PSB song is "Being Boring."

I remember hating West End Girls when it came out. I didn't come around until later.

And is there a thread for "Electronic," my favorite supergroup of all time?

schwantz, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

As to the last, use the search function. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI. "

i always hoped it was a reference to finlandskii station in st petersburg. thanks for confirming!

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

The title of the book is as well. One in the same, Spence.

Or rather, is there something about the song that leads you to believe this is a specific reference to the book, and not just to the historical event? Did the book 'popularize' the event?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and I haven't answered the original question: No.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Or rather, is there something about the song that leads you to believe this is a specific reference to the book, and not just to the historical event? Did the book 'popularize' the event?

You may be on the money here, Spence. I was under the impression that it was the book that popularized the expression, but I might be entirely wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, is there anything better than those double-disc Pet Shop Boys reissues, with better sound, all the b-sides, demos and rarities relegated to disc two, and incisive, funny liner notes from the pair?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost, I'm curious too and will look into it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Pre- the first singles collection, arguably not much better in the way of literate, challenging dance-pop.

Post- that release, probably lots that might be better. Their quality control seemed to go to shit & they became the joke that was always made about all their songs 'sounding the same'. They seemed to get lazy & much less inspired.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

They were still great on "Very", but their output has been somewhat more patchy after that. Lots of great stuff on "Nightlife", though, which I consider their most underrated album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb. can we talk about the voice? its so smooth, queer and nasal yet strong and sexy - hot!! I esp. love it when he says "Phan Tum UV Thuh AAH PUH RA" on "Theatre" and the voices at the end that go crazy. Also Love "Go West" - again that voice and that ridiculous anthemic disco beat they apply to everything.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Very, I remember hearing but once but not keeping.

Sounded so clunky I remember though. It was like they ran out of gracefulness in musical and lyrical ideas really suddenly. Which was about the only thing that really saved them when paired with the thin and near-formulaic programming they had in their music.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

that ridiculous anthemic 80's disco beat they apply to everything always smacked of laziness and a too-rigid & limited musical scope to me... took them a long, long time before it got to be a bad thing though.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb.

Lest anyone forget that the negative effects of rockism are REAL!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"One And One Make Five" is their most underappreciated song.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the rockism at home was really bad. i'm glad i have a name for it ....now i begin my recovery (seriously)

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb.

I had no idea either. Never understood what people liked about them.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting, J-rock! You and I have many similar tastes but I can sorta sense why they might not have been your thing. Can you tease it out a bit?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno. It's kinda hard to put my finger on, and I haven't listened them in years, but Neil Tennant's voice never did anything for me and their sound didn't seem to ever vary much. A lot of their material struck me as being rather formulaic. I used to get rather annoyed when people would discuss them in the same breath as New Order or Depeche Mode, but I've relaxed a bit since then. Having said that, I did always enjoy their cover of "Always on my mind".

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bud Powell is probably better than the Pet Shop Boys. Charlie Parker was probably just a little bit better than the Pet Shop Boys. Just a little bit, of course, it was a tough battle, but I think, in the end, that the yardbird wins this one...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

James Brown? the Hi Rhythm section? Zig and George? it's tough, but ... in the end, I think the African-American geniuses take this one, sorry...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I checked the magic 8-ball, and ... looks like Led Zep and Morbid Angel come up on top as well.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

party pooper

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just answering the question! I'm allowed to, right? If the thread said, "let us praise the Pet Shop Boys", I would admit that I like a single here and there. Or I wouldn't say anything at all. But the thread asked a question, and I answered. And while I'm here I'll put in a word for the dear departed Oscar Brown, Jr. -- I think this great man, who just passed away, did a lot to enrich a lot of lives, even if yr avg anglophile fucknut doesn't care who he is, and so he should probably be celebrated a little bit too. Not as much as the Pet Shop Boys of course, but a little bit.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

or sorry, i thought this was a nancyboy disco beat lovefest.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

"Young Offender" is the best song on Very.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a t-shirt that says:

Pet Shop Boys >>> Morbid Angel

x-post

tipustiger, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

In response to the original question:

pre-1996 PSBs: probably not
post-1996 PSBs: plenty

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I would put ABBA above them, I think. But nobody else.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Not even Teddybears shtml?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Not even, alas.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Adam otm. everyone otm. except Stormy, who can keep flying the stars and stripes against the anglophile fucknuts and the UN bases in the hills.

I love the PSBs. I actually am a huge fan of "One and One Make Five", love the way the "people must be jumping" works as both Todd Terry style cheesey chorus line and actually part of the song too.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad I missed Dan Perry's lastest opinion-as-fact outburst over the jolly little number 'Domino Dancing'!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Predictably, I would put The Cure and Prince above them. Also Severed Heads and Orbital. I think they're tied with My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, The Prodigy and A Tribe Called Quest.

(PS "Domino Dancing" is fucking awful and you are all worse people for supporting it ok thx XOXOXOXO MWAH)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

The love Dan wants is of a different kind.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"West End Girls" I agree is probably their best, and yeah how many times can you play it without it seeming old. I go crazy for it whoever plays it at our clubnight (often me but I've passed the virus on), a really great "last tune", and brilliant to dance to. There's a Bobby O remix from the early 90s (I think) that's really good aswell, my friend has the vinyl.

I don't really know where to start discussing the PSB, so many good songs, I like about 5 times more PSB songs than any other act.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the Bobby O version was the original? I get the song's complicated history confused.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Alternative is easily one of my ten favorite albums. There is so much brilliance encapsulated there, it's scary.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a Bobby O remix from the early 90s (I think) that's really good aswell

Bobby O apparently wrote W.E.G. and then the PSBs 'stole' it.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to get rather annoyed when people would discuss them in the same breath as New Order or Depeche Mode

Depeche Mode = music for teenagers
PSB = music for adults

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oddly, I think Alex is OTM even though I strenuously disagree with him. I'm not quite sure how that works yet but I'm sure I'll figure out a way.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the crucial flaw in my statement is that I failed to address where New Order falls in this particular equation....partly because I don't think they fit in either camp.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The closest I can get is Depeche Mode is more visceral and PSB is more cerebral but that doesn't really hold up well, either.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, while it sounds like a put-down, calling Depeche Mode "music for teenagers" wasn't meant to sound as dismissive as it does. It just strikes me that their particular sound/aesthetic appeals more to the maudlin teen smitten by unrequited love, while there is a world-weary sophistication to the music of the PSB that I think your average teen would not immediately warm to.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Depeche Mode/New Order less pop really, surely? see Tennant's quote about playfulness/seriousness on the other thread.

As far as I understand, Bobby O went back and did another mix in the early 90s. So sez my friend anyway.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Depeche Mode less pop than PSB??

B-b-b-but Depeche Mode is all pop, surely, no?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(despite Dave Gahan's "rock" wannabe preenings)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Depeche Mode is for teenagers because their lyrics are silly and overwrought.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Depeche are a bit moodier. They're also a bit less cool - the PSBs could be ridiculous but they always knew exactly how and why they were being ridiculous. Depeche's ridiculousness was less intentional, born out of over-ambition (and hence more admirable and endearing maybe).

I've really come round to DM's singles though, at least up until they went rock, a ridiculosity too far.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link


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