Justice - † Pretentious symbol = french dance?

the real reason the fabric mix got knocked back?

De Rosnay dismisses rumours that Fabric were disappointed with disco and synth pop that he admits went “beyond the limit of cheesiness” because they were expecting a genre-defining maximal mix, but the official story is just as telling. Fabric compilations must clear a maximum of 24 tracks in 70-75 minutes, and Justice’s proposal ran through as many tracks in just over half the allotted time, mixed with the same verse-chorus-next track approach as the block party pioneers who invented turntablism. De Rosnay comments: “It’s funny that a club which is supposed to have a knowledge of dance music would slam us on our knowledge. They were a bit like 'Wow, are you making fun of us?’”

justice DJing at sonar this year was like the death of music it made me feel so bad. mpeople for fuck sake

-- straight, Wednesday, February 6, 2008 10:41 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

and? what's the problem?

M People certainly have better tunes than anything I've heard from Justice.

makes you wonder how As Heard On Radio Soulwax CDs ever got cleared

mixed with the same verse-chorus-next track approach as the block party pioneers who invented turntablism

errrrrrrrr

I've never heard of this "approach" in any history of DJing. Sounds more like a megamix.

it's not exactly unfamiliar, but it's not 'turntablism' either.

Yeah.

It was at these free neighborhood parties that DJ Kool Herc defined his style that would lead to the hip-hop movement. Herc would get two copies of the same record and focus on a small part of each record, called the break. As one record reached the end of the break, he would cue the other record back to the beginning of the break, thereby extending a relatively small part of a record into a long "five-minute loop of fury" play a bit of 'Rocker', and then 'Seven Nation Army' up to the first chorus. The neighborhood parties became too big for his building and moved from Sedgwick Avenue to the nearby Twilight Zone club; hip-hop began to spread around the city.

i knew what they meant

makes you wonder how As Heard On Radio Soulwax CDs ever got cleared

well you can buy them all on Amazon new so they must be legit now (tho they may not have been for some time after release of vol 2)

are there any justice live-sets out there??

lots

the question remains.

Does †(Pretentious symbol) = french dance?

If so, what about †(Spencer Chow)?

Can a Fourier series be built out of &dagger(t) (time) or †(f) (frequency)?

well you can buy them all on Amazon new so they must be legit now (tho they may not have been for some time after release of vol 2)

-- blueski, Monday, March 3, 2008 6:05 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I dunno about that. Most indie-label rap artists don't clear their samples and still get sold on Amazon. They also sell Girl Talk, and nothing was cleared there. I don't think Amazon takes an interest because they can't or won't be held liable for any infringements unless it's something brazenly illegal like copied cds.

lol, they are on 'waxed soul recordings'.

LOVELY new video for DVNO: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e_XzCR2MbrU

radio soulwax pt2 was indeed the only official one.
when released, the bands website had the full story of the clearance nightmares - was quite a read.
it took them years to get it all sorted/cleared.
i would suggest that the other parts were released semi-officially by the band themselves as opposed to properly by a label.
(see all those UNKLE mixtapes and the whole hip hop groove as mentioned above)

retro logo fun!

"slam us on our knowledge" = ask for a longer mix?

mark e, do you have a link to the swax clearance story? i'd really like to read that

STORY

the un-authorised, un-official story

"i'm sick of it, please, no more phonecalls..i can't afford myself doing so much work for such little output!" - anonymous record-company spokeswoman.

it's been almost three years in the making, it took one record company employee more than six months of hard labour, 865 e-mails, 160 faxes and hundreds of phone calls to contact over 45 major and independent record-companies.
a total amount of 187 different tracks were involved from which 114 got approved, 62 refused and 11 were un-trackable.
it caused massive headaches and sweaty palms to employees of 'clearance centres' and record companies all over the world.
but it's finally here. it's about 62 minutes long and there's 45 (or is that 46?) tracks on it.
it took seven long days and nights to cut, edit, mix and re-edit it all together and it fucking rocks!

ladies and gentlemen, two - many - deejays!

to be honest, nobody ever thought it was going to happen.
it was clear from the beginning that some of the tracks they (stephen and david) wanted to use were very hard to get. some record-company executives probably thought this was going to be easy money involving minimal costs and a big output. but it turned out otherwise.
most people are probably expecting a record that's fit to be played in clubs, trendy bars or edgy urban clothes-shops. those people are going to be disappointed. and if you're expecting a typical 'rockband-who-are-into-dance-music' routine, you might as well start looking for your stub.
this is not - i repeat, not - your average 'jump-the-bandwagon-and-make-some-money-on-the-way'-compilation.

if you ask me there's a certain grandmaster flash-approach to the whole album. 'cause what the grand master did was nothing more than take all his favourite bits from his favourite records and put them together to create something new and special. the same thing is happening here. only, flash did it with a crew passing him his records and stephen and david did it on a mac g3.
so beware, if you just go by the looks of the tracklist, you are bound to expect something completely different than what you eventually will hear. you've been warned.

but it doesn't run all too smoothly if you try to do something different. you have to prepare yourself for the long and winding road that runs through the jungle that is known as 'the record industry'
in these post-modern times of illegal mp3's and white label bootlegs it is all too easy to think you can get away with anything. you can't.
never forget that everyone wants a piece of the cake. and watch out if they don't want to be in the dough at all.
if you want to include somebody's music on a release of your own you've got to get permission from the owner of the 'master tapes', which usually is the artist's record company.
depending on the contract the artist has with the company, they've got to ask his/her permission as well. this process is known as 'licensing' or, in record-company talk, 'clearing' the copyrights.

'no problemo,' i hear the amateur-deejay inside you think. 'who wouldn't like to be included in my supa-dupa deejay-mix that definitely is going to be a big success 'cause all my mates say it's great?'
well, some bands or singers aren't too keen on 'lending out' their songs for other people's use. and that philosophy is not always coming from a corner you might expect.
a certain very well known hip-hop trio from new york, for instance, who once encountered some copyright-lawsuits of their own, will never, ever license one of their tracks for any compilation.
mostly this has to do with maintaining the 'exclusivity' of their tracks or in other words they're saying: 'if you want to hear my songs, buy the frickin' album'

to give you an even better peek at the international world of record-company bonanza, there's the 'track-by-track' commentary that includes footnotes from both stephen and david themselves and some anonymous record-company 'officials'

"I want a final 'read and approved' on this text and your not going to be a hard case about that!" - anonymous management person

god that video is soooo good.

there's the 'track-by-track' commentary that includes footnotes from both stephen and david themselves and some anonymous record-company 'officials'

I've read this stuff on their site too but the current layout is fucking ridiculous, you'll have to go hunt for it

now i need a video for Surkin's 'Next Of Kin' (or that ravey one)

what are H5 (Etienne's brother and Antoine Bardou-Jacquet) who did the 'Remind Me' vid up to these days?

not sure if it's been mentioned here, yet.
the new live album and documentary are surprisingly good.
almost as good as alive 2007.

Is the encore sampling a certain famous hard rock group in there?

Yes. Also, enormous meh.

pre-ordered the DVD/CD just because the trailer looked awesome

there's no such thing as a justice live set

lol @ that video

best bits: Rydeen, super hot french girl just after that

You're on a mission and your wishin
Someone could cure your lonely condition
Lookin for love in all the wrongplaces
No fine girls just blurry faces

the jon spencer blues explosion of dance

This record kicks ass to work out to, must say.

Maybe they should start playing techno at gyms

another Front 242 parallel resolved

Oh my god. They *ARE* the French Ministry.

I haven't LOLed so hard in ages.

Not that I'm complaining, mind you.

imo this record is still pretty ehhh

imo this record is still pretty great

are these guys ever going to do another one?

The Justice/Uffie reflex "hate" in this thread is still very perplexing. Especially considering how modern pop is totally gang raping this sound as of now.

Just because modern pop is raping that sound (no disagreement here) doesn't mean it shouldn't be hated. Songs like "Tik Tok" are the worst, IMO. The only thing I like about the Justice track is that it seems like it tries as hard as possible to be obnoxious. The lyrics seem to be purposely aggrivating, deliberately don't rhyme, and the beat doesn't even kick in until like halfway through the song!! Plus, it's called "TTHHEE PPAARRTTYY"! How irritating is that??

I think part of the Uffie hate is a reaction to how much Uffie's lyrics on The Party sound like Ke$ha.

Sorry if I'm contaminating Cross with Civilization talk but a new Justice single was used in an Adidas commercial. There's bound to be a rip out there if you look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCRihtIZZdM

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I hate "Tik Tok" even more than you do, I'm sure. Mostly because it's such a blatant rip off and because it's sung-spoken by fucking Ke$ha. And if I'm not mistaken, it's Ke$ha's lyrics that sound like Uffie's. The Uffie hate is because people actually think she's a rapper and hold her to the same standard as Ghostface, which I think is pretty ridiculous. As Deej said upthread, she makes party girl rap...not that hard to understand, especially when someone as lyrically challenged as Missy Elliot exist(ed) and people LOVED her.

I like Justice a lot and Civilization sounds really good, but this is not music I dance to much at all. It's "activity" music. Music to work out to, bike ride to, drive to, create montages with, etc.

I dunno..I hate her because her voice is fucking obnoxious and she says things like "take it to the next lev"

you just compared uffie to missy elliot

lotta dumb shit being said itt

"Stress" is the only Justice track I ever want to hear, ever