Three projects are planned for immediate release. The first which will be in stores October 18, "Think Differently Music: Wu-Tang Meets the Indie Culture" is an unprecedented pairing of Wu-Tang artists, producers and affiliates with some of independent hip-hop's east and west coast elite. RZA, MF Doom, GZA, Rass Kass, Aesop Rock, Masta Killa, Del the Funky Homosapien, Sean Price, J Live, Tragedy Khadafi, C Rayz Walz, RA the Rugged Man, Littles, Cannibal Ox, Sunz of Man, Royal Fam and many more artists, producers and even award winning filmmaker Jim Jarmusch have come together for what will be a historic moment in hip-hop.
The first single, "Biochemical Equation" featuring The RZA and MF Doom will premiere on ITUNES next month.
The next two projects will be (i) a solo album from Wu-Tang affiliate producer Bronze Nazareth who recently produced tracks for RZA, GZA, Masta Killa, Immortal Technique and Black Market Militia and (ii) a solo album from long time Wu-Tang affiliate LA the Darkman/Embassy Entertainment.
― jermaine (jnoble), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Maybe I'm just out of touch (I haven't really followed Hip-Hop closely since 1996), but from what I remember, those Hip-Hop fans who liked J5 in the beginning were either from the golden age, or at least saw J5 as the extension of it in the face of the Puffy Daddy era.
On the other hand, I never was a fan of DJ Shadow for the most part. I know he becomes furious when the term Trip-Hop gets affixed to his name, but yeah, white, lyriciless, slow, and boring to my ears...sounds like Trip-Hop (sic) to me (or whatever term people apply to that sound now).
Point being, I had many friends at the time who were bedroom DJ's that were exclusivly into that Ninja Tune/Mo Wax sound, and they bought into J5 w/o looking at the remainder of what I thought was part of the Hip-Hop canon.
Maybe that's what this thread is saying?
Either way, Native Toungues, and their fallout, have always been on of the facets of Hip-Hop that I love, despite some peripheral audiences it may've attracted.
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link
this type of thinking is really rampant in hip hop fans. it's not necessarily "writing off huge parts of rap and hip-hop music as being without worth". it could be that all that other hip hop just doesn't appeal to them. would one make the same statement if someone liked, say, just the white stripes and radiohead or whatever but didn't care for chuck berry or the rolling stones or lynyrd skynrd or funkadelic? why, if you say like hip hop, do you have to like ALL hip hop? it seems like an extension of the "i'm more real/true to this" than you line of thought.
― oops (Oops), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
It's like this for me...
I never liked much rock music until these past 5 or 10 years. I don't have context the way rock fans do...so when the Strokes came out, I loved it...but my rock friends were like "no no, they're so derivitave."
But their newfound interest in Hip-Hop is the same thing...they like plenty of the newer commercial stuff I feel is lame, and I point them to the classics and explain the context.
Am I smug? I'd take J5 over 50 Cent, and I was part of this Hip-Hop thing since it came out on record. They're plenty of people who have given me Gang of Four lessons telling me to steer clear of The Bravery (whom I've never heard as a result).
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
"I wish I had a mic"
― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
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― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
The distasteful thing to me is if you start describing what you like as "real hip-hop" and that you don't like "rap" even if that's exactly what you're listening to. A lot of these "white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan[s]" say they listen to hip-hop, not rap. It's the same situation as those cats who only like gangster rap who say anything that doesn't talk about clothes, bank roles, and hos isn't "real" either.
And I'm sure there are a ton of other people out there who listen to "real rock", "real country", and "real drum 'n bass". I find those people weird for the same reason.
Also, I like Shadow, RJD2, and J5 and even if that was the only hip-hop/rap you listened to, I'd still say that person liked "real hip-hop". I'd just take offense when they start describing Warren G as being without worth.
― Alexander Buckiewicz-Smith (Alexander Buckiewicz-Smith), Saturday, 30 July 2005 08:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Saturday, 20 May 2006 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― ghost dong (Sonny A.), Saturday, 20 May 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
I actually must give some credit to pitchfork (heaven forbid) on actually speaking the truth that J5 must be one of the most borning bands on the planet, and that there are sum mainstream rappers with actual talent. The many-alt hip hop is just as negative as the gansta rap... if i hear one more time on how j5 is gonna take us back to the day.....!!!!
i'll let my good friend from outkast sum up 4 me "met a critic, I made her shit her drawersShe said she thought hip-hop was only guns and alcoholI said "Oh hell naw!" But yet it's that tooYou can't discrimi-hate cause you done read a book or two"
― robbin, Saturday, 20 May 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Saturday, 20 May 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 20 May 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 May 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― guess papers (eman), Saturday, 20 May 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 May 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
T-minus 18 months to Arrested Development revival, y'all!
-- Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 May 2006 19:18 (2 years ago) Link
:( RIP
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 June 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic.
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Saturday, 28 June 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Needed more steampunk
also needs to not be based on a previously professed love for j5
― deej, Saturday, 28 June 2008 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Firstly, yes, I like Jurassic 5. Woo-fucking-hoo.
― deej, Saturday, 28 June 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Dom you said "I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers. Do discuss." and now you say it was "Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic." How will we ever know if you are being disingenuous in the future?
― I am using your worlds, Saturday, 28 June 2008 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
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― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Saturday, 28 June 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/trust-no-one.jpg
― latebloomer, Saturday, 28 June 2008 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers.
― gabbneb, Saturday, 28 June 2008 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^ An obsessive interest in researching scandal/gossip that's happened in the past, manifesting itself as revivals of old threads to highlight some post or statement that's supposedly funny or o_0 or whatever.
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 28 June 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
wtf guys i just wanted to big up an arrested development revival
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 June 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
HOOS I was ^^^ing gebbnab
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 28 June 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
In an age where hip-hop stars are regularly lambasted for inciting violence, misogyny and homophobia, and where a lot of the time this is true, it could be all too easy to slip into a jaded view of the whole genre. But by dismissing it out of hand, a whole world of musical pioneering could be missed - for every Ludacris there's a Mos Def, for every G-Unit there's a De La Soul. Hip-Hop can have something to say, and it can be as meaningful as any lyric sung by some misanthropic indie singer.
― Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 January 2009 00:46 (fifteen years ago) link
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― Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 January 2009 00:48 (fifteen years ago) link
still easier to take the piss out of the dj shadow fan (i dunno if this sort of fan still exists though, theyve probably moved onto clipse/wayne etc and regard their earlier 'corny' def jux/prefuse/rjd2 phase with embarassment) than the person who thinks lil boosie and plies are keeping the levels high.
― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:33 (fifteen years ago) link
theyve probably moved onto clipse/wayne etc and regard their earlier 'corny' def jux/prefuse/rjd2 phase with embarassment
haha yeah i think this is key. the new strawman regards jay-z playing glastonbury in 2008 as a great leap forward.
where does that blipster dude dom was blogging about fit into this?
― the face of fashion in soho square (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I like DJ Shadow, sorry.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link
lol i think that blipster dude wants beef
― Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Hot beef injection from Dom Passantino.
I d/led that DJ Shadow early stuff 4xCD sprawl about a month ago but haven't listened to any of it yet. I should get round to it really.
― Architect of the Geocities (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Back in the day, we built our strawmen from people we saw walking round university campuses. Now we build them based on late twentysomethings we read on the internet.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty much, though i am still a student!
― the face of fashion in soho square (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:58 (fifteen years ago) link
This kind of guy (generalise from your own experience) also listens to a set list of indie and IDM types, but you never hear indie fans complaining about how Super Furry Animals fans are ruining indie, or electronica types talking about "Yet _another_ Aphex Twin fan".
Haha RONG.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah isn't Aphex Twin the signifier for someone claiming "I'm not really into that dance stuff, although I don't mind Come to Daddy?" Dance music for 6Music listeners. Again, I like Aphex Twin!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:05 (fifteen years ago) link
sopering point but this autumn's fresher intake were not born when aphex put out his first record, so they're not going to be invested in his work in quite the same way as us old lags.
― the face of fashion in soho square (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:06 (fifteen years ago) link
sobering. hic.
Since it's not 1998 any more, you probably need to substitute Aphex Twin for The Bug or Burial or someone.
Actually this strawman still pops up in my head whenever I look at the Friday night listings for Fabric. These people will always exist, unless weed suddenly disappears from the surface of the earth.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm old, just not down with the hippy students any more.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Come To Daddy would be morelike the token pick for 'open minded'-but-not-really metal fans FWIW (Dillinger Escape Plan covered it for example)
― I'm Throwing Small Arms Around Powys (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link
good thread.
bring back the old Dom!
― Keep The Dawgs Away (Ioannis), Thursday, 29 January 2009 12:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Amount of people who know I like hip-hop and have tried bringing up scroobius pip or whatever that shit is in the past 6 months: 7.
Amount of people who know I like hip-hop and have talked to me about Jurassic 5/Dj Shadow etc. ever: O.
Amount of people who have talked to me about Lil Wayne/T.I.: 1.
I hate only knowing students.
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 29 January 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link