Worst Genre: Metalcore,Deathcore or Nu-Metal?

I have nothing against testosterone or any other hormone. Also, I refute the liberal lie that masculinity = evil and femininity = good.
On the other hand, I do loathe the kind of bands you're describing and wish I could slap their witless heads with a large stick.

where my steroids then?

I'm finding metalcore a bit more loathsome than nu-metal these days because nu-metal seemed to flame out quicker, and also put out more material that I liked even though I overwhelming hated it?

I mean I hate to be 'that scenester guy', the one I made fun of in my early 20s, but my problem with the hardcore metalcore scenesters (they exist) is their indignance at being called 'metalcore', they want to be considered metal and moreso want this subgenre branded as the epitome of metal.

I mean I know, I know, far be it for me to cast stones at metalcore-heads when there are knuckle-dragging metalheads who basically consider any kind of musical progression a travesty and express the same narrow tastes (I tend to avoid these people as well), but this past week an acquaintance posted to FB asking specifically for metal recommendations and it was somewhat aggravating to me that out of all 10-11 respondents, about 7 of them pretty much listed all metalcore bands and no music pre-2005.

Metalcore as a subgenre had a lot of potential, I was really into Killswitch Engage's "Alive or Just Barely Breathing" and Shadows Fall's "Of One Blood" because there were genuine instrumental hooks on them and there was a lot of effort placed into the compositions, but instead of using the template as a launching pad, it kind of just became a LiteBrite pattern...even KE having diminishing returns over time in aping themselves.

Nu-metal was aggravating because of its machismo and how dumbed down it was but a lot of their fans at least recognized it *wasn't* metal and was its own thing. And while I realize metalcore isn't any legitimate 'threat' to metal as a genre like a bunch of laughable scenesters accused nu-metal of in the early 00s, it does grate on me the revisionism that many of these hardcore metalcore fans want to apply to metal. LIke they want to have a place at the table without earning it.

It's why I often dread going to Rockstar Mayhem Fest even when there are great lineups. When I saw Motorhead the pussies behind me were heckling them while roaring until they were hoarse for the uber-generic and dull All That Remains. Nu-metal was a gateway for many people to get into metal (Slipknot especially cos of their dabbling in elements of grind) whereas metalcore isn't serving as much as a gateway cos these kids don't want to leave their comfort zone and just want this limp-dicked brand of warmed-over sub-Sentenced-Amok era riffs with emo choruses until their hearts explode.

at the end of the day they're harmless and not a real threat to metal (unlike nu-metal, I see few long-standing metal bands co-opting any of this shit other than maybe Machine Head, and even then only trace elements) so this is really more "old guy on lawn" ranting but I really am tired of starting convos with people about music and having them say they like metal and getting excited only to hear them say "YEAH man Five Finger Death Punch and Halestorm are the best, man" and realizing that I'd better change subjects quick lest I experience Teufel's Tomb levels of scenester rage.

also Tear Out the Heart are like the worst thing I've ever heard, I buried their album under a pile of books at the local indie shop where Avenged Sevenfold fans will never find it

I really am tired of starting convos with people about music and having them say they like metal and getting excited only to hear them say "YEAH man Five Finger Death Punch and Halestorm are the best, man"

this scenario is so alien to me wrt the way I converse with people

idk if it's luck or apathy on my part but I never really feel like I'm hugely invested in someone else liking the same things as me

I don't really care about it either given the genre I've chosen. Perhaps two of my friends are into it tops.

But it's disappointing when I meet someone IRL who is into the stuff only to find out its just 'that' subgenre' they like which makes the convo less interesting.

tho that's often one reason I chat up strangers at shows anyway.

I see few long-standing metal bands co-opting any of this shit other than maybe Machine Head
Who were part of that earlier breed of knuckle-dragging Pantera clones to begin with. It's always been like this, you know...I really am tired of starting convos with people about music and having them say they like metal and getting excited only to hear them say "YEAH man Five Finger Death Punch and Halestorm are the best, man" same thing happened twenty five years ago when people would wheel out Mötley Crüe and insist that "their first album was really badass" and shit. Or in the 90s when half the world walked around with Cowboys From Hell and Tool longsleeves.

Today, I can live with the hordes of metalcore fans, they don't really harm anyone and same goes for the gauged eared beardo slackers in Opeth and Mastodon shirts. It's not as if a Bölzer, Asphyx or Mgła cannot find a decent audience or have trouble recording music, metal's a big tent.

And I don't think metalcore "revisionism" is a big threat anyway, is there anyone who would really put a Job For A Cowboy record in any all-time Metal canon? If RYM is any indication, appreciation for metalcore pretty much starts and stops with Converge, who admittedly are terrible but there's exactly one metalcore record in the Metal Top 100 of the 2010's, and two (also fuckin' Converge) for the 2000s. Come to think of it, I'm actually more appalled by the love for Deathspell Omega and Blindead.

is there anyone who would really put a Job For A Cowboy record in any all-time Metal canon?

Depends how long the list is, but yes. Have you heard their latest album? They've abandoned the deathcore sound and gone full-on prog-death; they sound like Atheist now.

Well if it takes a metalcore band to abandon metalcore altogether in order to finally make a respectable/critically acclaimed record, that kind of proves my point really re: metalcore's place in the metal canon :)

I like all their albums, though...

Honestly, I find the vituperation directed at metalcore kind of baffling. Is it boring and samey at times? Sure, but so is sewer-dwelling DM like, well, Asphyx or Bölzer (I couldn't tell two songs by either band apart with a gun to my head). But what do I know? As you say, metal's a big tent; I listen to Mötley Crüe and Pantera for pleasure all the time, and most "trve" metal released in the last decade fills me with a mixture of boredom and rage. Frankly, I think black metal is the worst thing to ever happen to metal.

I was in agreement with your sewer dwelling DM comment until you shat on Asphyx, who I don't really think fit that description at all (maybe Pathology or something like that)?

I mean I said a lot of the same things as you all upthread - metalcore isn't a *threat* to metal in any sense. I didn't think nu-metal was either (unlike the DALnet nerds who used to say "metal and nu-metal can't co-exist" - wtf), though it obviously had an effect on some older bands that had never previously espoused these sounds that added them to their oeuvre later (ie Slayer), which I don't really see happening with metalcore at all. I think the expanded options that bands have for recording and distributing music in this day and age have kind of staved that off a bit.

As I said upthread, it's more an 'old guy on the lawn' rant. I have no interest in scene 'purity' or being tr00 either, I usually roll my eyes at those folks (how many metalheads does it take to change a lightbulb? 10, one to change the bulb and 9 to whine about how much better the old bulb was). (Also I like Motley Crue's "Shout at the Devil" album!!!). and I do like Job for a Cowboy's last album (it's seriously awesome).

Perhaps I should have said 'melodic metalcore', because the metallic hardcore stuff like Botch, Integrity, Converge, Cave In, Coalesce etc is seriously awesome. for purposes of this thread was just kind of explaining why I currently hate melodic metalcore more than the rest. Deathcore seems far less prevalent to aggravate me and nu-metal would probably be annoying if it actually had any kind of presence in 2015.

Come to think of it, I'm actually more appalled by the love for Deathspell Omega

o_O!

I've been listening a lot to the Sirius Liquid Metal station, and it's kind of like listening to a talk show in Esperanto: totally recognizable but sort of hard to understand. Whole variety of hyper-hyphentated "core" going on there. Every few weeks something I'll come across a rare classic Metallica or Maiden track and I'm like the old guy going "I know that!" And then it's back to this insanely technical growly stuff.

august burns red are a great fucking metal band and are totally metalcore, idk

of course ymmv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3y8KkfNqYo

feel like i mention the same 1-2 bands every time i'm like "oh yeah metalcore can be totally great beyond converge" but it is a very narrow range of bands afaict

also misery signals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqMfm0bOFLk

The only deathcore I'll acknowledge:

http://i59.tinypic.com/255i2qh.jpg

Metalcore and deathcore don't have to suck, right? I mean the crossover era produced some good albums, why is this shit so meathead and dumb?

i don't think i actually know how to recognize deathcore, it's such a minor permutation of metalcore

The vocalists have halitosis

Iirc Corpsegrinder's breath smells like chrysanthemums

I'd imagine it smells like whatever his neck is full of

Ferrets

cool that as i lay dying let their lead singer – you know, the guy who put a hit out on his wife – back into the fold and nme called it 'controversial.' uhhh

funny zing I heard at a Ringworm show from members of the band to their fans - "those parts between the breakdowns are known as 'riffs', folks"