Should Pop Idols Be Shit?

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I think we deserve to be told.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 24 October 2002 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate the idea of 'hey its their job as pop stars, they're SUPPOSED to be crap!' more than i hate crap pop stars...you know what i mean - a bit like the 'ironic love of' thing - liking crap stuff cos its crap but you appreciate its crapness in the same way people appreciate ugly buildings because their ugliness actually reflects a strange kind of beauty somehow - getting a perverse thrill out of championing what i perceived to be junk is something i'll admit to doing in the past tho - but purely because there was some degree of absurdity thus amusement to be found in doing that - but it was always a VERY brief exercise and never meant to last or become a philosophy to adopt and maintain on a long-term basis

(takes professor glass off...)

― blueski, Thursday, 24 October 2002 12:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Blueski, my question could have been interpreted in either one of two ways.

I think you're leaping to the assumption that the question I'm trying to ask here is "Pop Idols are currently shit - is this an appropriate state of affairs?" whereas I might have been trying to ask "Pop Idols aren't shit at present - do you think they should become shit in future?".

You were right of course, but that's not really the point, is it?

Or perhaps it is.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

you know: pop music is like fast food.

― Mr. bad analogy (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmmm

Do you mean that it's pleasantly distracting but by it's very nature ultimately transitory and disposable; or that it's produced by a bunch of stupid, ugly, immature, spotty-faced gits, all ends up in an unpleasant mess which you try to forget about immediately afterwards, is probably bad for you, and is ultimately deeply unsatisfying and leaves you yearning for something more substantial?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

What are the parameters by which we are to judge whether today's crop of Pop Idols are for shit? I mean in terms of instrumental or vocal ability, Young, Gates et al are non-runners. But by the same token, a brilliant instrumentalist or vocalist doth not a Pop Idol make. If we judge these idiots by the brightness of their teeth or the measure of their willingness to relinquish all creative control then we quickly see that in terms of pop history, perhaps these Idols are the most adroitly accomplished yet.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

liking crap stuff cos its crap but you appreciate its crapness in the same way people appreciate ugly buildings because their ugliness actually reflects a strange kind of beauty somehow

I think buildings are different. Just because something is architecturally ugly doesn't mean you can't appreciate the spectacle, and find sadness/beauty/power in it. It's a bit like saying Ken Loach films, in their ugliness, are only liked because of the so crap it's good thing.

Maybe building aren't different? Maybe Pop Idols, even if you consider the music duff, can be appreciated in other than ironic ways?

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate the chartpop = fast food thing. That's because I love fast food (in an ironic way.)

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 24 October 2002 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

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