RÓISÍN MURPHY

fair point

She’s a book from the 80sreel from dave chang trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave.

as for geographic disparities in UK terfdom levels that would be a question worth investigating if it was meant in earnest and wasn't just kneejerk bristling over americans noticing embarrassing things

the only TERF I personally know lives in Wales but is actually American

as for geographic disparities in UK terfdom levels that would be a question worth investigating if it was meant in earnest and wasn't just kneejerk bristling over americans noticing embarrassing things

You mean like there being no assholes in Ireland so Roisin Murphy should be considered British?

yeah a lot of people are saying both of those things

That's what people were bristling over afaict, but feel free to imagine otherwise.

think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere else

sorry I should have said irish people noticing embarrassing things

I can think of a few high profile media figures in Portugal who've gone terf recently in the wake of JK Rowling's bullshit. In the end media hack solidarity is stronger than any kind of national identity really.

who gives a shit what a boring irrelevant debate

― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

What’s irrelevant exactly? People have shared their perspective on how this entire thing affects their experience of the music the whole thread — not sure what’s irrelevant about that.

I can assure you it isn’t

― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes save the patronizing for “the diaspora”

think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere else

The Sherburne piece says she moved to Brigante’s villa in Ibiza about three and a half years ago, to escape lockdown. Whether this has any bearing on her now exhibiting facebook brainworms is an exercise for the armchair speculator.

the art/artist debate is tired and has been used to prop up the worst people in entertainment for decades so I have no patience for it xp

*xps

Big Bren, giddy like a schoolboy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/14/roisin-murphy-olivia-rodrigo-no1-album-after-trans-row/

Fans have rushed to buy the record, urged on by comedy writer and gender-critical campaigner Graham Linehan and Brendan O’Neill, the author and free-speech advocate, who have enjoined their online followers to support Murphy.

O’Neill told The Telegraph: “It looks like cancel culture has finally met its match.

“The digital inquisition thought it could drag Murphy down but they’ve had a rude awakening.

“Loads of people are buying her album, firstly because it’s brilliant, and secondly because they want to show solidarity with a woman who was so ruthlessly and unfairly demonised by woke loons."

do we have to post all this shit we already know how it goes

Is it interfering with the clear-eyed assessment of the album that you bookmarked this thread for?

Interestingly the one post that she's liked pertaining to this whole saga is this one...

You've just given an apology to Glinner. It undermines your claims to be against people exploiting LGBT people for their own ends.

You also have most of the press to back you up, so hardly some voice in the wilderness. All you're doing is making the world worse for LGBT people.

— Bjerkley (@Bjerkeley) September 5, 2023

According to the BBC yesterday, Rodrigo has sold more than the rest of the top ten combined

hey Andrew stfu

well what do you suggest we use the Roisin Murphy thread for

I agree that it's all very depressing and predictable but venting about that is p much all there is at the moment imo

idk kill it

or just post whatever and let me be pissy about it

Apologies, I forgot you're in charge of the thread.

According to the BBC yesterday, Rodrigo has sold more than the rest of the top ten combined

That sounds about right.

maybe worth considering why some people might be more invested than others xp

You more than anyone else, of course.

I was never more than a casual fan so rejecting the music was easy for me but now I have to hear about her terf baby steps every fucking day for some reason whereas before this I could go months without thinking of her (even though I liked who I imagined her to be)

and fuck you too tom

OK, you win, I won't post in the thread again. Happy?

of course not

It's quite easy, Left. You just don't need to click on this thread if you don't want to read about it.

fuck you too

I often get exhausted and depressed by ppl eagerly documenting every step of some person's assholeishness, have one friend in particular who does this a lot and it's a very pernicious variation on doomscrolling imo

that being said if I click on a thread about said asshole that's on me

no need to be depressed, it's fuck you Friday

if that person's movements have effects I need to protect myself from then it is in my interest to click even when I don't want to and you overestimate the extent of free will in this world

that said if it's just standard UK media autopilot bullshit with no new content I don't know why we need to see it xp

have sympathy for Left here given their rights are what's at stake in the UK rn, although I'm not sure how much RM has done to materially affect them other than stir the blood of the transphobes for a few fleeting weeks. these vampires fasten onto any perceived validation, but it feels like she'd rather this all went away rather than joining their coven. temporary damage done. potential for amends in the longer run? for now, fuck her ofc, but fuck this government and journalist class harder

every one of these things has material effects, every celebrity transphobe comment and every UK press article is accompanied by real world violence that gets no coverage

not even getting into the psychological and physiological effects all this stuff which seems pretty material to me

*of all this stuff

oh doubtless the climate of hatred which is maintained at all turns by these ghouls is an ongoing crime against humanity. if you say that RM's words have led to an uptick in transphobic violence you and those you know have experienced then fair enough

OK do I need to have proof that this is linked to that because that's what terfs say all the time - it's a movement based on simultaneously inciting and disavowing (mostly) male violence so nothing sticks to them by design

I said 'fair enough'! it isn't for me to contradict your lived experience, and the ongoing foregrounding of a transphobic discourse is a major reason for the emboldened violence

anyway she's now posting on her Instagram (which I have yet to click unfollow on, more fool me) "Hit Parade is a critical success because it's brilliant" which if ever there was a sign someone needs an intervention

I have to hear

Learning this is not true is one of the great experiences of getting older.

how nice for you

idk, maybe it would help to make your very valid point land a little better if every response wasn't a "fuck you" or snide sarcasm

(i know, i know.. fuck me too, i'll save you some typing on my way out of this thread)

if this is just going to be a tabloid gawk fest repeating hate speech, I totally see left’s point.

“If that person's movements have effects I need to protect myself from then it is in my interest to click even when I don't want to and you overestimate the extent of free will in this world”

^^^^^^^

I'm really at a loss here. Articles like the Torgraph one posted DO have effects, they contribute to the climate of hatred and violence just as Left themselves said here. But if that's not what's meant by effects that trans people need to protect themselves from, what is, within the context of a thread about a musician?