Hip-hop 2002 - Search and Destroy

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I was looking through the pile of CDs I've bought this year yesterday and realised that the only hip-hop record I've bought this year is the Blackalicious album. Horror! This situation cannot be allowed to continue... so, what records should I download as a decent taster of all the stuff I've been missing while I've taken my eye of the rap ball?

Commercial/undie hip-hop recommendations equally welcomed - I'm really not bothered.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

DO NOT BUY THE NELLY ALBUM. HE MUST BE STOPPED.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I won't waste your time with my predictable Def Jukie jocking so I'll just say that the new Scarface is supposed to be REALLY damn good. And if all of Xzibit's Man vs. Machine is as good as "Multiply" then it's going on my list, too.

I'm guessing Nelly will be at least partially relegated to the "that was so three months ago" file when the new Jay-Z comes out. But a double CD? Uhoh.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 25 October 2002 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)

get "westwood vol.3" and you're laughing.

michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

things i like

Anything Edan-creative as f*** big daddy kane era beats
Trick daddy single-in da wind
j-zone
the two new gang starr joints-skillz & the natural are good
el-p fan dam
missy elliot -work it
look for the new roots when it drops

depends what you like
the underground is pretty stale
too many fans copying styles putting out middle school bitch poetry
the pop shit is blowing away the underground in terms of pushing
and innovation
but i would rather tell you why i don't like alot of the releases
but to each his/her own i respect that

Party!

killer tooth, Friday, 25 October 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

well i do rate Anti-Pop Consortium's 'Arryhthmia' album but I too havent actually bought much hip hop this year so can only say I like what I heard from Killa Kela so he might be worth a punt too...its been all about the singles for me really with the likes of the Neptunes productions (Clipse, N.O.R.E. etc.) - i'm not sure whats on Def Jux but do try Aesop Rock's 'Daylight' EP cos you might just like it...oh and Mos Def vs Massive Attack's 'I Against I' for a twist of the daaaarkside

blueski, Friday, 25 October 2002 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and individual tracks, please, just for ease of downloading.

However, I would not touch Nelly with a twelve inch bargepole covered in wee, so no worries there.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)

ok, "grindin" then.

michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:59 (twenty-three years ago)

definitely worth owning:
La Caution - Asphalte Hurlante: ultime edition
La Rumeur - l'Ombre sur la mesure
Rohff - La vie avant la mort
TTC - Ceci n'est pas un disque
(can't individual remember track names sorry)

+ Clipse and Missy singles

Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Matt when i see you next I'll give you a copy of a mix by Sireman i recorded from XFM earlier in the year - features all the peeps i mentioned, along with a nice introduction by Zippy from Rainbow (!) at the start

also got DJ Shadow's 'superchunk' mix from back in the Summer in which he does his typical classy stuff, at the end blending APC's 'Ghost Lawns' with Radiohead's 'Idioteque' and then into Boards Of Canada's '1969' - niiiice

blueski, Friday, 25 October 2002 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

''DO NOT BUY THE NELLY ALBUM. HE MUST BE STOPPED.''

my brother is going to start buying hip hop albums (he's 16) and he's gonna buy Nelly first. I'll try to stop him.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Make him get the Mos Def/Massive Attack collaboration instead.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

or pitman! heheheheh

zebedee (Jeff W), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Token Hip-Hop Album:
2000 - Stankonia
2001 - The Blueprint
2002 - ??

I bought that Scarface yesterday. Worth it for the packaging alone. Download "Guess Who's Back" (THAT BASSLINE!!), "Someday" (obligatory Neptunes joint) and "My Block" (if you haven't heard it).

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah i love guess whos bizzack, but it doesn't sound anything like the rest of the album (the album is good tho from my limited amazon soundbite exposure)

minna (minna), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

OH jeff w you smashed it. if you're living in england you're a hero! but i didn't think much of la caution. didn't give it much of a chance either though...

what are the other 2 like? i'm off to paris in a couple of weeks so i need to get ahold of this stuff.

i've got high hopes for mr flash's "signal to noise" LP

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah homebouys

check out da new flava from the man in black mr will "fffffffreshhhhh prince" smith rocking up all the joints dis side of tha thames

you get me

tim da muthafuckin g, Friday, 25 October 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

julio just give the little 'un a blast of those sound poets

hey who ya dissin/you dunno what ya missin'/hear that coughin splutterin' and a kissin'?/that's count cobbing and crazy lips gysin

bang bang

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

bob - the thing about the above-mentioned version of La Caution's LP (reissued this year) is that it comes with a bonus CD of instrumental versions. Really helps you appreciate what they're doing.

I assume it's La Rumeur and Rohff you don't know? The former is dark and moody, the latter is a synth-pop wonder (at least for the first half, turns into yr bog-standard hiphop/R&B in the second)

Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

''julio just give the little 'un a blast of those sound poets''

i try to sit him down to it. he won't listen i'm afraid.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)

On a UK tip, the ever-awesome Blak Twang, who's the only person who can seriously think about challenging Manuva's strangehold on the British game, Fallacy and Fusion, Skitz, and the aforementioned Pitman are the pic of these isles offering this yeah. And that Massive Attack/Mos Def collab is great, yes.

Destroy: Murder fucking Inc, with their bloody sugary girly chorus followed by Ja Rule's Barney Gumble impression in the verses.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

why does everyone keep mentioning Pitman as if he's a credible hip hop act? seems odd to me...and The Streets is arguably just as hip hop as he is garage

also on the UK front - there's new Lewis Parker on the way - sounds awright, and Free Association 'Dont Rhyme No More' is definitely worthy

blueski, Friday, 25 October 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

jeff: yeah that's what i got. well i'll check it out again. any of these ring bells with u? ccpp, maledictus sound, richard demaria, metalcrabs, kroniker, tacteel?

otherwise what else is there. themselves, busdriver-temporary forever, mcenroe - druidry instrumentals, nore, third sight- golden shower hour reissue, d-styles just got released, mf grimm -iblyis...

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

julio you need to paint a picture. invent some beef

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

or strap him onto a chair and force him to listen to it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Pitman's no less credible than ODB, put it that way.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

P BROTHERS!!

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

perhaps if he sees you breaking to it he will be choked up by "the realness"

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, cormega. haven't heard that one though.

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Pitman's cred lies in the fact his parodying thus far has been witty, well observed and well executed...ODB's cred lay in the fact he was in Wu Tang and brought a then unparalleled warped, surreal and comedic yet still hardcore dimension to rap music - plus he was a wicked freestyler

blueski, Friday, 25 October 2002 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

bob - re yr list: only know of Les Maledictus Sound, which is def. on my "to get" list. I assume this is all 'old' stuff you're referring to? I've only really started to check out the French scene since moving to Belgium last year.

Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Clipse album rocks.

Ben Williams, Friday, 25 October 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't really know jeff, it's all accreted rumours, halftruths and knowall detritus. tekilatex told me some of em

ah u live in belgium i see now.

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

here's some more of this year's crap: dalek, dalek v kid606, styles, nonfiction, boom bip LP, soul position, v/a constant elevation, oddjobs, def jux stuff, emanon, INI reissue, jel, 50 cent, murs - varsity blues, dabrye, qwel, STEINSKI -nothing to fear, nas lost tapes. still have not heard roots manuva - yellow submarine but i trust it rules.

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

mike ladd mix of ghostlawns is superb

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

dalek v kid606

?

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

ruin it EP. actually didn't you namecheck this not long ago jess?

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

oh! yeah, the track on clickblipfartwhateverhop, i think.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

actually wait... you said "r u into it?" but that's not on what i got.

tracklisting:

1 ruin it ruin them ruin yourself then ruin me dalek rmix
2 revenge of the circuit burners rmix
3 rirtrytrm original
4 vague recollection
5 now i'm completely ruined rmx
6 satans hard drive

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

That Dalek album came and went without a sound, I might have checked it out if I had ever seen it in a store. The ep was pretty interesting, did he progress from that?

Personally I'm looking forward to Kweli's album next month, most of the stuff I got in 2002 was catch up from the last couple of years.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

on tigerbeat6 natch

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Cor if Dom's going to say Skitz, who's been unusually quiet this year, at least on the issued recordings front, then I'm going to say Braintax, who I love to pieces and whose LP, which underwhelmed me a little on first hearing (maybe all the expectation) is now a firm favourite.

The Planets LP was surprisingly good, and I do like the new Lewis Parker thing a lot, though he goes for that understated feel which means his stuff needs more listens than most casual listeners will give it.

Top drawer UK hip hop LPs still a rarity, but lots of great singles. New things from Taskforce & Out Da Ville just now, which I'm hoping to lay my hands on this weekend.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

DTP

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

gamma single was good but the LP will prob be rub. i gave up on uk hiphop when i heard "nuff tings". that's when i convinced myself roots manuva was a dub artist and started listening to the garage kids. too much claquery in tha uk

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's my list (off the top) so far:

Peanut Butter Wolf - The Forty Five Series
DJ Shadow - Private Press
J-Live - All of the Above
Freestyle Fellowhip - Shockadom
El-P - Fantastic Damage
Quasimoto - Astronaut
RJD2 - Deadringer
Cormega – The True Meaning
People Under the Stairs - O.S.T.
Mr. Lif - Emergency Rations/ I Phantom
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Dalek - From the Filthy Tongue of Gods and Griots (not for all taste, but has it’s moments)
Soul Position
Nas – the Lost Tapes (mixed, but some nice spots)
Clipse – Grindin’
J-Zone – I’m spacing on the name of this one
Large Professor – 1st Class
Edan – Fast Rap mixtape
Busdriver - temporary forever

I'm sure I'm missing a lot.

S, Friday, 25 October 2002 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

you forgot the "jenny from the block" song and cam'ron's "hey ma"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 25 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Sam you big silly, it's "Hip-Hop 2002"! Some of these albums you nominated don't even have rapping on them! Do you even know what "hip-hop" means?

(NOTE: I am joking)
(NOTE #2: Is the J-Zone album you're thinking of "Pimps Don't Pay Taxes"? That one's getting slept on.)

Nate Patrin, Friday, 25 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

hahaha. Don't give me any excuse to start defining hip-hop, Nate.

Yeah, "Pimps Don't Pay Taxes" is pretty incredible. The production is off the hidges. It wasn't made this year, but Fat Beats rereleased it this year. And that single with Jehst was great. I heard J-Zone has a new 12" out called Ho Kung Fu. I haven't copped it yet. BTW, totally off topic (sorry), but amusing nonetheless:

Chicago Sun Times
Cryptic letter tied to violent rap lyrics
October 25, 2002
A letter left by the snipers behind a Virginia Ponderosa restaurant, the site of one of the non-fatal shootings, contained mysterious markings and what were described as Jamaican colloquialisms. One of the suspects in the sniper killings is from Jamaica. Drawn on the page were five stars, which some investigators thought was a reference to a Jamaican band. But there does not appear to be any Jamaican band named Five Star. The letter also contained the phrase "word is bond." An Internet search links the phrase to a black militant rap group, Killarmy, a band discovered by Wu-Tang Clan, a favorite in Jamaica. One of their songs, "Five Stars," speaks of "bullets penetrating. Deep like the assassination that almost killed Reagan." The song also mentions snipers. The phrase "word is bond" appears in the group's song "Wake Up." Killarmy has come under fire from critics who have chastised the group's violent message. In many songs, they speak of a racial war and their support for "racial Armageddon." Band members have roles such as "Marksman Assassin of Killarmy" and "Street Specialist Trained in Urban Warfare."

S, Friday, 25 October 2002 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, seeing as how this guy's a Gulf War vet, there's another hip-hop song that comes to mind...

Nate Patrin, Friday, 25 October 2002 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, if DJ Shadow is hip-hop, then Yohimbe Brothers should qualify too. I'd add their record to the list.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 25 October 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

if PUTSzzzz and j-not-very-fucking-funny-hangs-around-the-fawning-UK-to-get-cred-he-can't-get-at-home-Zone is hiphop and Themselves isn't then i'm thru with this played out shit

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

ezra pound WHAT WHAT

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 25 October 2002 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"j-not-very-fucking-funny-hangs-around-the-fawning-UK-to-get-cred-he-can't-get-at-home-Zone"

hahaha...i'm laughing with you, really...and i'm glad you can still remember the allusions i made in my themselves review.

S, Friday, 25 October 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Individual tracks I've liked of varying degrees of idiosyncracy:

Nas - Made You Look, Drunk By Myself
Eve - Double R What, Eve-olution
Clipse - Grindin, When the Last Time
E-40 ft. Fabolous - Automatic
Slick Rick - Women Lose Weight (Alchemist Remix)
Missy Elliot - Work it, Funky Fresh (ft. Ms Jade)
Ms. Jade - Dream
Erick Sermon ft. Redman - React
Xzibit - Multiply (Just Blaze Remix ft. Busta Rhymes), Break Yourself, Symphony in X Major
Swizz Beats ft. Lil Kim - Gone Delirious
Styles - And I Came To (Ft. Eve), I'm a Ruff Ryder (ft. Jadakiss)
The Beatnuts - Originate (ft. Large Professor)
Common ft. Mary J. Blige - Come to Me
Mos Def ft. Diverse - Wylin' Out (RJD2 Remix)
Edan ft. Mr. Lif - Rapperfection
Atmosphere - Fuck You Lucy
7L and Esoteric - Terrorists Cell, Word Association
DJ Shadow - Giving Up the Ghost, Six Days
DJ Krush - The Blackhole, Trihedron
DJ Food - Aerosolilique Pts. 1-3
Dalek - Classical Homicide, Spiritual Healing
J-zone - SLAP

I can't be bothered right now to parse through the Def Jux releases but yea there's some stuff there too.

Honda, Friday, 25 October 2002 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

"depends what you like
the underground is pretty stale
too many fans copying styles putting out middle school bitch poetry
the pop shit is blowing away the underground in terms of pushing
and innovation
but i would rather tell you why i don't like alot of the releases
but to each his/her own i respect that"

Right on.

I'll second that Clipse recomendation. Check out "Ego", if you've heard both the singles.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Friday, 25 October 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Token Hip-Hop Album:
2000 - Stankonia
2001 - The Blueprint
2002 - ??

I bought that Scarface yesterday.

You just answered your own question.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 25 October 2002 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi, my name is Adam and I'm a tokenist.

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Friday, 25 October 2002 23:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeff - Can you recommend any more new hip-hop en francais ? I am no longer au courant on that, so post some more recent stuff if you can think of any worth checking.. merci bien !

daria g, Saturday, 26 October 2002 03:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha killarmy are clueless!

boxcubed (boxcubed), Saturday, 26 October 2002 06:38 (twenty-three years ago)

kid acne, supreme vagabond craftsman, sonic sum

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 26 October 2002 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

CEE-LO - cee-lo green and his perfect imperfections

so there's more singing than rapping; so what? it's the best hip-hop album this year.

ryan, Saturday, 26 October 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

what the FUCK is that Eric Sermon song with the raw Bollywood samples?? it's incredible

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 26 October 2002 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

my brother is listening to nelly's 'nellyville' right now. i got a copy out of the rec library this morning.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 October 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer - you're thinking of "React" w/Redman, and yes it is GRATE.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 26 October 2002 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"whatever she said then i'm that"

julio don't sweat it. it could be SO much worse no?

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 26 October 2002 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I suppose it could but dan might disagree. I told him i'd give it a listen later today.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 October 2002 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

search all of it

ep, Sunday, 27 October 2002 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

ethan- you're back!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 October 2002 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

search.... People Under The Stairs and MC Paul Barman

kinski (kinski), Sunday, 27 October 2002 11:11 (twenty-three years ago)

if you like mf doom and/or madlib and you like the nice warm cuddly feeling you got from 'blazing arrow' (i haven't heard it myself but i'm saying this based on the singles), search count bass d's album, 'dwight spitz'. it's not quite as glossy as blackalicious but it's often just as fuzzy. there are a few annoying tracks (eg. i don't like edan on track 6 or rayna shine on 15.) but they're never more than one or two minutes long! and there are 24 of them. the first track opens with the windows 98 sound, which is a bit confusing at first when you're listening on mp3. download 'antemeridian' 'postmeridian' 'no time for fakin(part 2)' (madlib produced part one but that's not on the album.) 'blackman dreams (ft. lil d)' and 'quite buttery (ft. mf doom)' and by then you should be decided.

minna (minna), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:16 (twenty-three years ago)

obv: NEW TRINA!!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)

also check out track 17 'blues for percy carey' (that's mf grimm) (who's, as far as i can gather, currently serving a life sentence for avenging the murder of his friend + retaliating against getting shot 10 times(!) rendering him paraplegic. plenty to be blue about.)

minna (minna), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 08:07 (twenty-three years ago)


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