Rough Trade Shops: Rock and Roll 1

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Anyone else heard this yet?

Yr thoughts pl.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 27 October 2002 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd type out the tracklisting for you, but there's 46 tracks...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 27 October 2002 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

what's the sort of things in there andrew. giss a guide...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 October 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I Got A Right - The Stooges/Underdog - The Dirtbombs/Agitated - The Electric Eels/Ruby - Boss Hog/(I'm A) Don Juan - The Embarrassment/She Cracked (72 demo) - Modern Lovers/It Came From Japan - Von Bondies/Tornado - Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments/Gaunt - - Jim Motherfucker/Hey Sailor - Detroit Cobras/Round Every Corner - Thee Headcoats/Ain't It Fun - Rocket From The Tombs/Hey Bastard - STP/Outsmarted - The Hives/Tony's Theme - Pixies/Big Jesus Trashcan - Birthday Party/Headburn - Halo of Flies/c.q. - Clinic/2 Kindsa Love - Jon Spencer Blues Explosion/ Freakshop USA - Monster Magnet/Dr. Buck's Letter - The Fall/Human Fly - The Cramps/Summertime Blues - Guitar Wolf/Skunk (sonicly speaking) - MC5

Hate The Police - Mudhoney/Know Your Product - The Saints/Chase The Dragon - Beasts of Bourbon/Human Cannonball - Butthole Surfers/Rocket USA - Suicide/Stand Up! - PW Long w/ Reelfoot/ Alright - Pussy Galore/That's How I Escaped My Certain Fate - Mission of Burma/Cat Claw - The Kills/Nonalignment Pact - Pere Ubu/Phobias - l.a.l./My Rival - Alex Chilton/Stained And Lit - Red Red Meat/View From Here - The Gories/Born In 69 - Rocket From The Crypt/Otherside - The Beatings/Hot Wire My Heart - Crime/Born On The Floor - The Make Up/Play In The Summer - Trans Am/Life Of Crime - The Weirdos/Mercury - Royal Trux/More Light - J. Mascis And The Fog


Phew - 'cos you asked so nice, Julio. And it kicks off w/ the Stooges!

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 27 October 2002 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

cheers andrew! I'd rather get the track listing and then chase some of the individual recs. *quick glance* I've heard at least half the bands (if not the exact same tracks) over the years.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 October 2002 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

this seems really boring, esp. in contrast to the "rough trade electronic" set (or even the "rough trade 25 years" box).

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 27 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, utterly retrograde boredom and a blatant ploy to associate rough trade with the new pub rock, i mean, 'Nu-Rock n Roll'/'no-name'scene or whatver the nme choose to call it next week.

slit magnet, Sunday, 27 October 2002 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

this seems really boring, esp. in contrast to the "rough trade electronic" set (or even the "rough trade 25 years" box).

The song selection, or the concept itself?

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 27 October 2002 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno, I see what some of you mean abt the lameness of the 'aesthetic' - it's v. much one narrow def of 'rock'n'roll' - but I picked it up 'cos a) it was pretty cheap and VFM, b)there are some great tracks on it, and lotsa bands I'd never actually heard before (I must get some Rocket From The Tombs, right now!), c) I don't have the time/patience/technology to download this stuff from the interweb, and D) I now own all the Pixies I will ever need.

There are things on it I'm certainly going to put on mixtapes, which for me is always a gd enough reason to invest.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 27 October 2002 18:30 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, don't get me wrong, i still like a lot of the tracks on there, obv! (a couple of em are a couple of the greatest songs of all time, etc. etc.) as a zeitgeist-y thing, however, it feels like 1992 rather than 2002.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 27 October 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck your zeitgeist. This rocks, top to bottom. Some awesome obscurities (I can't believe anybody else even remembers STP's "Hey Bastard"), some clever and unexpected selections (The Fall represented by "Dr. Buck's Letter"?--but it works!), a bunch of stone fucking classics ("Headburn," "That's How I Escaped My Certain Fate," "Non-Alignment Pact"), and more great rhythm sections than I've heard in one place in ages. Also, it's great to assemble IKEA shelving units to.

Douglas, Sunday, 27 October 2002 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Soulseek Batshit Download Time!

Nate Patrin, Sunday, 27 October 2002 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It might be boring if you have nothing better to do than download obscurities from soulseek, but for the average record buyer this is a really great entry into this music. If I could have gotten something like this when I was 17 I would have thought it was the greatest.

Granted, I have certain affection for bands from Detroit and Cleveland, but still. I haven't heard this comp yet, but the tracks I already know are excellent. This is 2002; there is no such thing as a zeitgeist anymore.

If you want to attack something that reeks of 1992, you should go after all the Nirvana Hype that has been foisted on the public to boost sales of the GH comp. If I see one more rockumentary that tells me what a deep and complex genius KC was, I am going to start blowing shit up.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 27 October 2002 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

When I got it I looked at the tracklisting and thought "OK yes but I already know that stuff," but when I listened to it: WHOA. Like great big total "whoa." Incredibly solid comp, good sequencing, excellent argument in favor of sporadically unfashionable aesthetic positions but more importantly just a joy to listen to.

J0hn Darn13ll3, Monday, 28 October 2002 00:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, it's great to assemble IKEA shelving units to.

haha this just about sez it all. (in so many ways.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 October 2002 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess don't make me come out there.

J0hn Darn13ll3, Monday, 28 October 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

when you are sick of assembling IKEA furniture, you are sick of life.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 28 October 2002 02:07 (twenty-three years ago)

jess in hating rock'n'roll non-shocker!!

(you include a jon spencer blues explosion track = you are off the "good humans" list, qed.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 October 2002 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

(jim my exhaustion with life is well documented.)

jess (who is now going to go play a birthday party record.) (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 October 2002 02:13 (twenty-three years ago)

The second disk is ace, the first looks dead dull.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 October 2002 05:55 (twenty-three years ago)

here's a question: Mike Taylor sez it's a great intro to the music, and I can go along with that (in theory not practice, haven't seen it for sale yet--Douglas, where'd you buy yours?), but is it a starting point (here's where we go next) or an end in itself (this is all you need if you've already got some headway on this type of stuff, i.e. the better albums by a lot of these folks)? still gonna buy it the second I lay eyes on it (and I never did get into the Electronic set, though it's been awhile; maybe if I tried again....)

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 28 October 2002 07:15 (twenty-three years ago)

its a sort of 'cool retro' comp really. i wonder what the point is when most of the original alb are available.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 October 2002 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

This is exactly the sort of comp I'd want people to make for the ILX History-of-Pop-Through-Compilations site idea (still in the pipeline sorry) - that doesn't mean I'd want to listen to it myself ever but yoy know me.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

its a solid comp, most of it is ok. but i would never buy this (even though i dont have that much of it), the butthole surfers and pussy galore tracks are good. theres a lack of spark about this for me

gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 October 2002 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)

My initial reaction was very much along the lines of the quibblers here - but to be honest my heart sank a bit when the title was announced some months back. And then I realised I've never heard anything by 35 of the 46 acts on the CDs, so who am I to quibble?

Even so, I take it that comparisons with Electronic 01 are supposed to be made and - while that earlier comp. omits some important avenues of electronic music, as Dr.C noted on the dedicated thread - it's a not bad "overview". This new one seems to leave out much more of what I would dub 'rock and roll' (if you twisted my arm). Perhaps the problem is simply that the title sucks bigtime?

Jeff W (genrephobe and proud), Monday, 28 October 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

It looks shit, but I'll end up buying it.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 28 October 2002 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

no dr c, save your pennies for the 20-cd epic "punctum: 40 years of marcello carlin" compilation which will be unleashed upon the suspecting public in january 2004!

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 28 October 2002 14:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Nooooooo! Disk 11 : 'The skronk skiffle years'.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 28 October 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Matos,

I guess "good starting point" is a very arbitrary term.

I will personalize this to see if it makes more sense. When I was 15, England's Dreaming by Jon Savage was published and talked about all these great bands that nobody I knew listened to (kids at my HS liked Grunge, NIN, Steve Miller Band, Grtful Dead...) and I liked Joy Division, Sex Pistols, Clash, DK's, Kraftwerk and Bowie. At that time I did not have access to compilations or CD-reissues of a lot of this material, and I did not have an older-brother type figure to hip to to it. The best thing we had back then was the Rhino "Punk" comps...

What this meant was that when I actually got a hold of a lot of his material (mid 20's) I was almost too old to enjoy it (I mean I like it, but it would have blown my mind a decade ago.) Something like this is great for a kid just getting out of his "obvious" punk phase. If I had had a record store clerk put something like this in my hand a decade ago it was have definitely changed my musical interests. It is a good thing to have around when some 16 year old wants to know what else is out there.

I cannot comment on the stuff that I haven't heard, but the bands I do know are fairly well represented. I have played a lot of those tracks for people who are curious about different bands and scenes. If you want to know what the Detroit Cobras sound like, Hey Sailor is a damn good place to start.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

got to be worth it just for 'hot wire my heart'!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Matos--bought mine at Other Music. I'd call it a starting point, since there are a bunch of these bands I now want to find out more about.

Douglas, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike and Douglas--thanks! soon as I have money again (sometime this week, hopefully...) I'll pick one up

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 09:12 (twenty-three years ago)

incidentally I'm pals with one of the RT shoppe guys who's putting together the ur-Americana Rough Trade comp that'll be coming out and I've seen the tracklisting: it's gonna be GRATE if you got love for early 80's SoCal post-punk Artdamage peeple (I do)

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Name names, Mr. D, unless you wanna be a big ol' tease about this artdamage thing.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

one of my all-time faves the Gun Club, and Wall of Voodoo to whose stuff time has been really kind (i.e. the records sound really great when I heard 'em now, and I didn't think much of 'em way-back-when), and then like a million others -- I saw the long list, which is the one which they're gonna pare down & down & down -- there was Green on Red & the Dream Syndicate, O heavens like every California interesting KPFK 12 O'Clock Rock staple -- it made me dizzy. But mainly, when I see "Gun Club" I think "well this'll be great then"

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

"Americana," eh? does it have a title?

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)


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