What Would Your Ideal MC Rhyme About?

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A lot of hip-hop threads seem to flounder on perceived deficiencies in the content of different strains of hip-hop. So, whether you like rap-right-now (mainstream, undie, whatever) or not, what "content" do you or would you look for in hip-hop?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Beyond the abject lack of pertinent content in Hip-Hop itself (a self-reflexive decry/kick in the pants of what has become a bloated, cliche-riddled genre), I'd be encouraged by the return of either a social conscience or some examination of the world **OUTSIDE** of "the hood".

Most importantly, I'd love to see an end to the reign of "the Playa," which has gotten ten times as dull as the reigh of "the Gangsta" before it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

high school! a la fresh prince, young mc, special ed & "broke into your locker and I smashed your glasses"-era beastie boys.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

food. more rappers need to rap about food.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Sex rhymes I generally like, violence doesn't do much for me, boasts and insults are great, disquisitions on the state of hip-hop are tedious, old-codger ramblings about the state of hip-hop 10/20/25 years ago are really tedious, mis-spellings and gimmicky slang are AWESOME, social commentary is good if sparingly used, schlocky soul-baring is terrific - but what I really want more of is everyday social observations, and good jokes.

Oh yeah and food.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

violence and the upcoming war on Iraq are good things to talk about.

and food. oh yes.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna have to go with food, mainly on the strength of "Ill Cullinary Behaviour" by Format ft Abdominal. Perhaps more wrestling on a pro-wrestling tip as well, a la "You know Busta Rhymes be like Hacksaw Jim Duggan".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

i used to love the way Chuck D would really pinpoint problems black people faced in general...informative, emotional...these are the two things i guess i want hip hop to be - but not exclusively, obviously its always good to hear good rhymes just describing the music and the vibes and the skills of the act (Busta, Wu Tang, whatever)...plus i loved just as much the characterisation, storytelling and comedic lyrics of De La Soul

i love The Streets and Roots Manuva because it feels like 'hip hop lyrics' i can identify with much more clearly - just a down to earth UK perspective that reflects life more as i know it

i love Missy's lyrics...i'd rather listen to women rap sexy than men i guess

SURREAL They Might Be Giants style lyrics would be good...Anti Pop Consortium could get quite surreal at times (no examples spring to mind tho!) - tho maybe no more than some of the more leftfield Wu Tang related stuff

what if a whole load of Beatles songs like 'Paperback Writer' or 'Taxman' were altered and designed for a hip hop track?

what if you could take the lyrics and subject matter of tracks like 'Emerge', 'House Of Jealous Lovers', 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' (i.e. teenage angst in hip hop thats not based on social rather than racial alienation), 'Fool's Gold' and expand on these to deploy in more of a hip hop theme?

you can listen to things like 'Danger! High Voltage!' by Electric 6 and its not that different from hip hop lyrics...

its all down to the imagination of the rappers out there - if they really want to push the genre forward they should expand the scope of hip hop lyricism accordingly

blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

remove the 'not' from i.e. teenage angst in hip hop thats not based on social rather than racial alienation)

blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Blueski with all due respect if "Fools Gold" and "House Of Jealous Lovers" have "subject matter" it's not at all clear to me.

Speaking of unusual-for-genre subject matter I am most disappointed at the reception on F!leP!le of "Tickle Tune".

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

More self-hatred is always nice

dave q, Monday, 28 October 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, good question, Tom. kind of calls the bluff of all the complainers.

I overheard an undie/indie kid recently say something like "I listen to stuff where they rap about Greek architecture and shit". if I knew him better and he'd said it directly to me, I probably would've given him hell about it because that's the exact attitude I can't stand. say what you will about MCs who rhyme exclusively about sex and money and violence, but you have to admit, they're at least probably being sincere about what's really important to them. whereas the 'abstract' school of underground just rhymes about obscure bullshit that they don't really care about, they just want to sound cool and weird. that pisses me off.

i still think Cex has some growing to do as an MC and could stand to tone down some of the lyrical neuroses, but for the most part i like listening to him because he is rhyming about what i know...being a geek in Baltimore who loves hip hop and feels stifled by the genre police. which is, i admit, a fairly narrow demographic, but i think he is doing a lot that people can relate to more than, say, whatever the fuck Doseone is on about. plus he does have some great tracks about middle school and h.s.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

that the subject matter of 'fools gold' and 'house of jealous lovers' is not exactly clear would make it all the more fun i say

isnt 'fool's gold' based on an ancicent far eastern proverb and a comment about music industry fat cats sacrificing their spiritual wealth for the material equivalent? oh i do sincerely hope so

'house of jealous lovers' is about meeting your ex at a party, obviously ;)

blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and more rhyming about non-alcoholic beverages. I wanna hear MCs dropping some science about Lucozade and Dandelion and Burdoch. I bet Mike Skinner drinks Panda Pops as well.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

fuck it, i just want more 'joyce-on-viagra', missy-style.

michael wells (michael w.), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"Pass The Sunny D" Dom!

blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I can smell the sales figures already blue....

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 28 October 2002 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i get the impression Skinner only refers to Kronenbourg as much as he does because he wants to imitate the way so many American rappers refer to their favourite tipples...likewise Roots Manuva and the Guiness - fair anough tho

blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Trying to sound cool and weird is the whole art school thing in essence.

More rhyming about travel, heartbreak and the existence (or otherwise) of god.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 28 October 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I dont know, I think it's legit. If I was an MC you wouldn't be able to move for Ayingerbrau references.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

what on earth is 'subject matter'????

gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 October 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I vote to abolish the word "undie" as it is retarded.

David Allen, Monday, 28 October 2002 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

they would rap about:

1. Existentialism
2. Nerf footballs
3. Nico
3. 10th dimensional time-space objects
9. bacon
13. tetherball competitions
74. Damon Suzuki

gage-o, Monday, 28 October 2002 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Damon Suzuki

There's a bootleg I fear to contemplate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 October 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

two very nerdy things,

someone who could flow psychoanalysis and lit theory would be cool/hilarious.

more importantly, I want to see more pure fiction raps. Science Fiction, Historical fiction, alternate history. I want to see dispatches from these places/times/cultures. Will Smith does it a bit with his sci-fi movie tie-ins, but a cyberpunk anthem or miserable Soviet soldier or third-stage syphilitic prostitute during the French revolution delivered in a completely convincing time-warp style with tons of detail and lingo would be great. Obviously Mel Brooks owns this in movies/broadway. I'm also thinking about how in "Starship Troopers", they say things like "this place bugs" etc.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 28 October 2002 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

someone who could flow psychoanalysis and lit theory would be cool/hilarious.

Paul Barman? Is the "flow" part a requirement?

Miranda, Monday, 28 October 2002 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Love and Money.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

who is this MC Paul Barman!?! does he have no flow at all?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Barman has a voice that makes Eminem sound like Method Man. He's got a Woody Allen voice and a Lenny Bruce libido and he's on par with both of those guys when he's at his funniest. He's a real love-or-hate proposition.

Back on topic: I want to see more MCs rhyming about '60s muscle cars, lucha libre wrestling, Italian caper films, Space Ghost, Vanilla Stoli, Muppets, fat people, Super Punch-Out!, medium-large Midwestern cities such as Minneapolis and Milwaukee, robot sex, Jim Kelly and Bullitt. This is mostly because most other topics are already well-represented and I just want to see how all the goofy crap I just mentioned would fit into hip-hop.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I vote to abolish the word "undie" as it is retarded.

I second that (next up: "Hanging With My Undie Friends" by Momus!)

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:49 (twenty-three years ago)

food. more rappers need to rap about food.

When will hip hop bring forth its Weird Al Yankovich?

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 02:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey wait what about ATCQ's "Ham and Eggs"?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 02:29 (twenty-three years ago)

shopping for bling, snacks, sex/bad dreams, emotional inadequacy, killing mosquitos, Satan

Honda, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 02:33 (twenty-three years ago)

More landscapes, sunsets, general wallowing in nature, please. I'd like some of that.

jon (jon), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:16 (twenty-three years ago)

and yet you all hate anticon you hypocrites

bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:28 (twenty-three years ago)

FOOTBALL. I want more rapping about FOOTBALL. In regional accents as well... Manc rap about City and Brum rap about West Brom's chances in the premiership. It is the way forward, and would revalitalise the ailing domestic football song genre.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

i once dropped the lyric

"[MCs] yr relying on yr tunes/like you was The Racoons"

it was a short and bloody career

bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

that would be horrible Matt! :)

MC Pitman to guest on Leeds Utd FA Cup record tho...

blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Matt that would be grebt! There's a reason "Kik Off" is the best thing on the Blak Twang album.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Matt- the winner of the British version of the rap olympics this year used the line "I'm upfront like Owen/ You're going down with the Leicester". Twang's album has a football theme throughout, even the cover's got Taipanic rocking the Ron Atkinson look.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Makes mental note to go and buy the Blak Twang album ASAP

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)


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