Do you think the U.S. is ready for bootlegs?

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Purposefully open ended question....

or do you think it's already over?

Are boots just too "weird" for U.S. audiences?

Do you think commersh radio in the U.S. would give them the time of day?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)

If they test the water with "Freak Like Me", then yes.

Otherwise, prolly not. I can't see yr average Septic "getting" "A Stroke Of Genie-us" in any shape or form - too much space between the genres concerned.

Or is that oversimplifying?

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I'm not talking about those bootlegs specifically... I mean boots comprised of sources more in key with the U.S. charts..

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

well, the trend has already been reported on in most mainstream music media in some sense or another. it's not really widespread, still mostly an internet thing and a press curiousity.

i know it all took off first in the UK, but i'm not clear on exactly how far has it gotten? have boots actually gotten significant 'commersh radio' airplay over there alongside standard chart pop? or is it just on the radar in different ways?

although honestly i fail to see how 'weird' this all is...i hesitate to write it off as pure novelty, but it's hard to get around the fact that the more clever and well-known examples are known exactly for their novelty value. plus i've yet to hear a good explanation of how it's all any different from the instrumental/a cappella juxtapositions of different records that hip hop DJs have been doing forever, aside from the 'clever' and dramatic combinations.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Wouldn't it be illegal to play these on the radio?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Not if they were cleared (the source samples/songs that is), from what I understand. That didn't stop a few radio stations from playing boots though, but I doubt there'd be any reason for the samplees to complain.... (unless it was Gilbert O' Sullivan or the Rolling Stones or what have you.)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

why would it be illegal to play on the radio?

why are these remixes illegal anyway... ... so you are suing for? loss of earnings? no? oh how about defamation...ooohhhhh..

dsico (dsico), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I just did a lil' research, and as it turns out, at least according to copyright law as it exists in the U.S., these remixes would actually be illegal to play on U.S. commercial radio.. as the mixes may be construed, without choice, as original material that is sampling, rather than just a concatenation of singular song plays.

Now, obviously, no station that I know of has ever been prosecuted for that, and I don't think anyone will. Because that would mean any pop radio dance mix set would be breaking the law...(and it could be argued that it is, oddly enough).

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:20 (twenty-three years ago)

that would mean any pop radio dance mix set would be breaking the law...(and it could be argued that it is, oddly enough).

Gawwwd, a point I've been arguing to any poor bugger who'll listen for *ages*. How can labels legitimately a. get hot under the collar and b. slap injunctions on/chuck random threats at radio stations - as happened to Xfm in London when they first aired "A Stroke Of Genie-Us" way back when?

If a DJ segues one song into another, live on air, is he breaking the law? Really? I mean, c'mon! Why do labels release a capella versions of tracks on b-sides? Simple question! Why? As DJ tools, right? Is playing two records at once against the law anywhere? Are RIAA/ARIA/BPI really that STUPID? Are they?

Fuck...the world is weird.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that such a thing to be illegal is just plain weird, but with rare exceptions (one of which you noted), I don't think labels have really been pursuing legal action about live Dj mixes or boots on the radio... or at least I haven't heard about it. Granted, airplay isn't dominated by them anyway, so maybe it's just a case of flying low under the radar?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 08:22 (twenty-three years ago)

yes but when XFM claimed 'A Stroke OF Genieus' was being played/mixed live that was such an obvious blatant lie! it was only live as in he probably just cued up the file on a laptop and pressed play...i love how modern technology is exposing these archaic copyright laws for the shambles they are

i very much doubt the american industry and audience will identify the concept of 'bootlegs' as marketable and consumable given how HUGE sample-heavy hip hop has already been so dominant over there for so long...present the majority of the record-buying public over there with 'Freak Like Me' and they'll go 'uhhh...i dont like these retroey synths, whats wrong with the Adina Howard original anyway?' present them with 'A Stroke Of Genieus' and i suspect both many Strokes fans and Aguilera fans would feel it was cheapening what they do somewhat...the U.S. audience (to generalise even more) has never seemed that interested in sample culture (its not the primary appeal of hip hop/dance for most) so that angle is lost...dare i say they dont care that you've fucked around with the context of the original/sampled songs, they just want a good groove to dance to (as with Moby or Fatboy Slim)

however there has been a fair degree of interest in the Boom Selection compilation in terms of many orders coming from the States, so i think its going to enjoy its 'cult' status and novelty appeal for a while but will not really be commercially viable - just something cool for college kids and in-tune media-whores to laugh about for a little bit longer before the whole thing evolved further

blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Blueski are there any copies of the Boom Selection comp left - I missed out!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't the US start off this bootleg business anyway? I'm thinking in particular of the Eminem/Britney hybrid "Oops, The Real Slim Shady Did It Again!"...

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 12:32 (twenty-three years ago)

right answer, wrong example - it was US outfit the Evolution Control Committee and their mix of Herb Alpert and Public Enemy that spearheaded the notion of the jokey acapella vs instrumental bootleg back in 93 or thereabouts, tho this didnt really trigger the buzz that the recent pop/rap soundclashes did, and - prior to that we had bootlegs tailored for the dancefloor especially in hip hop and house music

Tom i have no idea personally - but maybe we can do a swap and i'll bootleg it for you ;)

blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

They were around a few years ago, the Holiday/Music Sounds Better With You one is really old. I was talking to my friend who's a house/techno dj at the weekend and he says they were extremely popular in clubs about 3 or 4 years ago.


Anyway isn't the current influx pretty much dead in the water already?

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess yeah, I think it's already over. And if I hear anyone else going nutso about Soulwax and their average DJ sets then I'll really get irritated. I love the 2 Many DJs thing but still.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

the buzz about bootlegs is over yes but they're still coming out in their droves...they seem to be getting sillier and sillier, and pretty much a case of bootlegging for bootlegging's sake but they'll always be good mash-ups here and there

i can imagine recent Soulwax sets lacking the variation and veneer of the Hang The DJ set and the mix CD...from what i heard on their KIss show they've been concentrating more on 'leclash rather than bootleg type stuff...i doubt there's much difference between a set by them or by Erol Alkan at the mo - altho Alkan's really exploding as a DJ now (didnt he win Best Breakthrough DJ at the Muzik Dance Awards?)

as for 3 or 4 years ago, definitely a teaser of what was come - remember all the Stardust and 'Intergalactic' (esp. the one vs Alan Braxe's 'Vertigo' and the one vs Shalamar, Chic and Hot Chocolate!) bootlegs well...plus Basement Jaxx's own 'Slim Shady' vs The Jam's 'Start'

blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)


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