Christina Aguilera - Stripped

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TWENTY TRACKS! (And only 5 of them are interludes!)

I was sorely tempted to pick it up (on sale!), but I'll fight that urge until I hear more than the one song. What about you fools? Heard it? Liked it? Licked it? What?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i thought this was gonna be this

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

damn! i'm here and there's no action at all! your cruel trick worked mista.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

b-but she's got a guitar mitch.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's what happens when you join the rockist colony haha

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Would someone just answer my question already? Horny schtick-happy bastids.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think you answered your own question. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

does the CD have quicktime videos?

(hey, what? it's an innocent question!)

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Make Over" is the Sugababes' "Overload" given the Sister Lovers treatment!

Overall a mellow and v. trad R&B wannabe whitney album with a few strikingly out-there moments.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

But Linda Perry! Why, I thought she was teaching her how to rock. (There was some review in the LA Times that logically said it was those tunes that showed the most 'emotional maturity' or some such garbage.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I'm Ok" is a less hysteronic version of "Family Portrait"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Walk Away" renders the entirety of Alicia Keys' recorded output completely irrelevant. "Cruz" should make Kelly Clarkson run into her room crying because her career has been trumped before it really began.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Strong words...but I could see myself agreeing easily, given how I feel about both Ms. Keys and Ms. Clarkson. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Walk Away" renders the entirety of Alicia Keys' recorded output completely irrelevant.

Like it needed the help?

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

i wish it had more "dirrty" :/ ...but i guess that's not really her style? i'm not very familiar with her outside of "genie in a bottle" and the rumour of a sex tape... a lot the music seems pretty weak, or maybe she's just overdivaing? idunno. i liked the first few songs all right but then "fighter" kinda lost me...

on a different note, i'd like to say i think the dirrty instrumental might be hotter than the video. yes.

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

a mellow and v. trad R&B wannabe whitney album

*giving them mp3s a listen* So far I agree. I guess Dan's right about "Walk Away" as compared to Alicia Keys, but unsurprisingly I'm digging the arrangement more than the histrionics. I'm always a sucker for strings. For something with this much money in it, I'm expecting a lot more than I've gotten so far, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

The arrangements on the album are fantastic. Her singing on "Loving Me 4 Me" and "Walk Away" is breath-taking, while tracks like "Fighter" are just, well... Yeah. "Impossible" is a little embarrassing, but hilarious. "Can't Hold Us Down" is ranty, shouty nonsense that cracks me up. I recognize and agree with the sentiment, but it's a little on the unsubtle side.

Alicia Keys should have known better than to sing with Christina. Having said that, Christina has some HORRIFYING vocal moments where she's belting Bs, Cs and possibly Ds with this strident, teeth-grinding rasp that makes me grasp my throat and wince. She's going to be walking vocal nodes in panties and chaps if she's not careful. Anyway, I like the album a lot more than I thought I would, despite the lack of "Dirrty"-inspired thumpers. (The "Dan Perry Music" tag strikes again, I think.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sterling, when you say "hysteronic" do you mean histrionic? Don't to nitpick but I have never heard of the word "hysteronic". Anyway I am awaiting the Justin Timberlake record which will be GRATE.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

OH MY GOD, "MAKE OVER" IS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can see the Jim Steinman invocations being bandied about on "Beautiful," that's a pure Bat Out of Hell stand-in-the-spotlight 'love wonderful me!' number if ever there was one. "Cruz" gets pretty close but feels more like a theme song to some stupid inspirational movie than its own beast. But something like Janet's "Black Cat," say, has a hell of a lot more energy than the guitar plodders on here like "Fighter" (aka "Why couldn't I have sung "Survivor"?")...actually, is Janet the cryptic role model of this album? This isn't quite Xtina's Rhythm Nation 1814 but I could see her trying to make a concert tour out of that 'I can and will do anything and everything, I will' spirit.

*thinks more* And you know? This is what happens when someone aims for state of the art production but thinks that instead of the gimmick-sound effect-hook-blow-yer-mind-contrast in the arrangement as the carrier of the song, it's the actual performer itself that matters most. Which can and does make perfect sense, but I'm really unthrilled with Xtina's singing the more I hear it because I'm not getting any fun out of the arrangements. Everything feels like familiar plug-and-play additions that haven't been fucked with to serve her anonymous nothing of an approach. This really is a very conservative album, Sterling called it, and the more I listen to it the more bored I am with it. The combination of "Loving Me 4 Me," "Impossible" and "Underappreciated" makes me want to punch walls.

Perhaps most frustrating is that a chunk of the interludes or song introductions have the feeling like we're about to get perfect metamush (my own childhood standard is the Anne Dudley string arrangement opening "Careless Whisper"). But most of the time it's just mush without lasers or enough cold sheen that feels like a leap from bad late seventies quiet storm into the present. Dammit. I want surreal polish or contrasts, not pleasant tedium! "Make Over" at least does the contrast thing, it's like most of the album on puree (and it's about the only song that has me laughing at the wonderful contrast of lyrical whine/fame gorgon all over this album -- how intentional was this?)

But on balance "Dirrty" misrepresents this album like "Get This Party Started" did for Pink. It's all a fucking Linda Perry plot! ESCAPE NOW BEFORE SHE KILLS US ALL!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

That cover upsets me on such a fundamental level that I can't even BEGIN to explain.

Please could someone tell me ... does Aguilera actually PLAY a guitar - any guitar - anywhere on that album? I don't know if this will mitigate my outrage or not, but I would really like to know.

kate, Friday, 1 November 2002 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of course she doesn't play it Kate - everyone would be able to see her naughty bits if she tried to play it!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah well, Dan already said a fair amount of this. But I'm sorry, I *really* don't like her singing on "Loving Me 4 Me" or "Walk Away" or really a fair amount of the album -- or maybe more accurately, I can't be moved by it in the slightest. I can acknowledge it exists, I just can't care at all! Cripes, now I miss Aaliyah more than ever for some reason.

"Soar" is yet another fucking TV theme song. DIE DIE DIE. Except for the final fifteen seconds.

And I'm with Kate on the cover. Yurgh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Could you see Justin Timberlake posing naked with a guitar?

OK, no, I'd probably vomit if I saw Justin posing naked with anything, eeuwwwww. (Bobby G naked with a guitar, however ... hmmmm!) In fact, the only male I can think of that posed naked with a guitar was Prince. Double eeeuuuwwwww. But still... at least Prince is a capable guitarist.

No, I haven't heard the album, and yes, it is sexist to discuss her on the basis of her image rather than talent. But for FUCKS SAKE ... considering that Rolling Stone was on sale, right next to a copy of Total Guitar magazine that had this cover article "Stop Staring At My Tits: Why Don't More Women Play Guitar?"

kate, Friday, 1 November 2002 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am perversely amused about how "I'm OK" is her version of "Cleaning Out My Closet," though (as filtered through the Perry Suck-o-meter). Inevitable duet ahoy!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link


No, I haven't heard the album, and yes, it is sexist to discuss her on the basis of her image rather than talent.

How would you call it if you discussed Justin's naked arse? ;-) Pop is just as much about image as it is about talent.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know this is the vocalist snob in me rearing to the fore, but I have no fucking clue how you can call Christina Aguilera's vocals "anonymous" in this world of limpid, unsupported, whispery, no-strength pop/R&B singers (and as much as I like her music, Aaliyah was right at the front of that pack). I'll take singers with some meat to their voices and breath support in their technique (Christina, Jill Scott, Angie Stone, Blu Cantrell, Truth Hurts, old Mariah Carey, Tweet, Michelle Branch) over breathy idiocy (Britney, Ashanti, Mya, new Mariah, Vanessa Carleton). Shit, when Christina does do the breathy thing ("I'm OK"), she's still supporting her sound and has some core to the tone so that it carries over the music.

The arrangements are subservient to Christina's voice because her voice is powerful enough to carry a song, unlike vocal midgets like Britney or Aaliyah.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

But vocal power can be anonymous! In the same way that someone can have a lot of instrumental technique, chops, whatever but still can leave little impact beyond noting "Oh yeah, you're good at what you do, I guess." I guess I've muttered this before vis-a-vis Eminem and Eric Clapton, say, and it seems equally appropriate here. All the skill in the world isn't enough to connect on its own; otherwise we'd all be Eric Johnson fans or something. Xtina as singer straight up = leaves me COLD. Xtina fucked around with at least one way or another, "Dirrty," "A Stroke of Genius," "Make Over" = far better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan you should have heard Michelle on the Latin vmas, i dont think she got one note right, it was horrible

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's not the nakedness that bothers me so much as the guitar. I don't know why. It's almost like adding insult to injury. "The only way that a chick with a guitar will get on the cover of Rolling Stone is if it's a dollybird singer POSING with one."

I always THOUGHT there was a guitar in this photo for some reason:

http://www.thelollies.co.uk/noguitar.jpg

kate, Friday, 1 November 2002 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's not just a voice snob thing, Dan. I generally object to breathy-voices (you forgot to add Janet!) on quasi-feminist principles: "whispery" = unthreatening, modest, thin, geisha-shy, a crummy male hetero fantasy. (Yeah, I know strong proto-feminists can be the subject of male hetero fantasies, too, but it's not as common.) (Also, J-pop is much worse about breathy-voiced singers than R&B.)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Damn! I thought my nude mutantman was the ultimate threadkiller!

kate, Friday, 1 November 2002 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

''That cover upsets me on such a fundamental level that I can't even BEGIN to explain.''

RS is a 'rock' mag and so its OK. rock is dead anyway (it is!!). long live pop!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

"whispery" = unthreatening, modest, thin, geisha-shy, a crummy male hetero fantasy

I hope I'm not implying *that*! Eep! :-/ Not when some like Di can rock the house at full volume. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Di = ?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lady Di = lucylurex = Dunedin ILXer and very good person. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh oh oh. OK. Sorry. No, I meant "whispery = unthreatening" strictly in the context of R&B (and j-pop). In other rock forms, "whispery" means something else -- or gets pleasingly contrasted with more forthright stuff (cf. Lush).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was thinking, like "Di? Is this some R&B singer that Ned's jonesin' about lately that I don't know about?"

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

My secret R&B underworld, don't you know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

R&B Underworld would be GREBT. "Two Months Off" featuring Usher and Mary J. Blige!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd like to take this opportunity to interrupt the Dan & Ned Show to report that this album (_Stripped_) is pretty damn good (assuming you can stomach the more histrionic / Linda Perry-esque moments to be had throughout this album) (and that you have an affinity for this dastardly Chart Pop stuff). I'd offer more to counter the "tough love" exercised by these two upstanding gentleman, but I've only heard the album once - suffice it to say that "Dirrty" is buried at the back end of the album for a reason, and while it is a bit of a red herring, it isn't the distracting sparkly thing that "Get This Party Started" was. (But, then, I'll have to actually listen to the entirety of _Mizundastood_ to really know.)

And now, back to your originally scheduled programming.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Two Months Off" featuring Usher and Mary J. Blige!

You know, I'm fully on this as an idea. Bootlegs, anyone?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's all about the Scott Storch tracks, innit? Interesting that he and Xtina seem to have fallen out or something (see the thank yous in the CD booklet), but she was right to stick nearly all his stuff upfront, as it's by far the best on the record ("Dirrty" aside).

The LP dips badly in the "Linda Perry section" in the middle. I'm a Perry fan after "Missundaztood", but her songs here are k-rub (although "Make Over" is amusing - is Xtina trying to be Kurt Cobain here?). Sterling is OTM about "I'm OK" - I'm beginning to wonder now if it's Perry, rather than Pink, who has "issues" in re this whole oh-Daddy-why-did-you-beat-up-Mom-in-front-of-me-when-I-was-little thing.

The Alicia track is okay.

Jeff W (Jeff W), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

great fuckin album

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link

what else goes on the mixtape with "make over" and sugababes' "Overload"?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link

What’s the new one like?

lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link


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