thread to dis hyped releases that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about

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let's keep it in here, folks.

Jlin - if I wanted to hear a quantized sample of a CD skipping, I'd listen to an Oval CD from 1999

Caretaker - this is just a bunch of thrift store record samples

sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 20:39 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Oh yay I can post here AND in 'vent your bullshit'! Maybe the latter can be non-2017-specific though

Cardi Acs (imago), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

yes this is just to keep your attention during the EOY poll, submitted with love

Bjork - I found this slow, gloomy, and unengaging. her mix that she did for Mixmag (?) was great, though.

sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 20:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

*warms up FPing finger*

all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:44 (eleven months ago) Permalink

happy to help!

sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 20:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

this is a safe space

Cardi Acs (imago), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

;-)

all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Caretaker - this is just a bunch of thrift store record samples

otm, I've never understood the hype.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Angel olsens new one gets seriously dire in the second half. Love her but hate to say it's a bummer record

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'll just get this out of the way: most of the 2017 music is bad

brimstead, Friday, 15 December 2017 20:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Caretaker's not hyped though. It's got a steady following, but that's something else iirc.

Anyway I can't get enough of it.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 December 2017 20:59 (eleven months ago) Permalink

no defences of albums itt imo

Cardi Acs (imago), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:01 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I've said this elsewhere I'm sure but the Julien Baker love-in is an album late; the new one is flat and mostly a disappointment

Simon H., Friday, 15 December 2017 21:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Where's the fun in that? xp

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

OK fine

but no holds barred. except like actual bigotry

Cardi Acs (imago), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

KING KRULE is kind of boring.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

oh yeah I can't take his voice for a second

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Not as boring as The National though

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

That Big Thief album is boring as well. A charisma vacuum.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink

:o you're dead to me

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I do like the Big Thief album a lot :(

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

LCD Soundsystem should be banned on the basis of that atrocious album cover alone. The music stinks, is completely irrelevant up to the point of self-charicture, and seeing critics hailing this has-been baffles me.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

*caricature

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

thoroughly agree with every dis so far btw*. sleeve ur emperor palpatine

*not heard the bjork or big thief yet

Cardi Acs (imago), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Guided By Voices - the songs are twice as long and half as good (tbh I dunno how hyped this really was, but let's open the thread up to all contenders regardless of hype level/EOY standings)

sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 21:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I tried listening to the War on Drugs album once and I had to check the album wasn't starting over at some point. Still can't remember any of the songs in there.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

@Moka, same here. It's drab.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Lorde is the new Carly Rae Jepsen - "pop" music that non-professionals spit out after a single taste, but which critics will continue to ride for forever.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Xp that is sort of the point with WoD - it's aural valium for the inhibited and the terminally nostalgic.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Me included.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Sounds like WoD do The Caretaker better than The Caretaker does!

Cardi Acs (imago), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I can't really diss it because I don't hate it at all but Yaeji seems overrated as hell to me. There's just not much going on musically and lyrically... every song seems she runs out of ideas and she just resorts to repeating words in the same monotonic voice.

Again, I don't hate it but I don't see what's so special about it either or why she's making it into so many EOY best songs lists.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Ok I'm done taking those out of my chest... I think... those are the ones frustrating me about their roaring approval.

Well, those an Bodak Yellow heh

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:27 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i rate the yaeji EPs (2 isn't as good imo) but found it pretty easy to get burned out on her stuff. Not much replay value as there's not a whole lot of depth, ya

laurel halo album was a disappointment for me, way too esoteric and weird for weird sake

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Xxp Kirby has a concept, though. Granduciel is walking in socks over cold coals.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I still don't really get what everyone liked so much about Black Beatles. I don't hate it, just does nothing much for me.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think this is the first Laurel Halo album I like mainly on the strength of Moontalk alone but yes... it's way too dependent on its own quirks and weirdness.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

moontalk is an amazing song! yeah

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

moka check out the king felix stuff if you haven't heard it, "spring" by king felix and her halo album "king felix"

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I did not know about that project. Listening to spring now and it sounds amazing! Thanks for the recommendation.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

:) sweet

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 15 December 2017 21:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

the Fever Ray album was really disappointing to me

ufo, Friday, 15 December 2017 22:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

why? show your work :)

sleeve, Friday, 15 December 2017 22:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Sleaford Mods - this guy used to sound angry, now he just sounds bored (I do like most of the previous records)

sleeve, Saturday, 16 December 2017 01:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Fever Ray was also so-so for me. I like the knife and the first fever ray album a lot, so I thought for sure this would be one of my favorite albums of the year but alas it ended being one of the most dissapointing ones for me. It’s just so hard to sit through... even harder than ‘shaking the habitual’ and that’s saying something.

I can get past the hamfisted lyrics (either way lyrics has never been her strong point), but the textures and production are sort of uninteresting too, the middle of the album is specially boring or annoying and contains some of her worst songs ever (“this country” really wtf is up with that).

I don’t know... I guess it’s just alright in small doses but I don’t want ‘just alright’ from her.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 16 December 2017 08:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Ok maybe the production isn’t uninteresting... but it’s too harsh and irritating more often than not. I get that maybe that was her intent with this particular album but I’m not a masochist, sorry.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 16 December 2017 08:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, my love for the first Fever Ray album is immense, this one is not bAd exactly, just very disappointing

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 16 December 2017 10:56 (eleven months ago) Permalink

yeah I agree with all of that Moka

the production mostly feels like lesser retreads of Silent Shout and the Fever Ray s/t, and the songwriting lacks the memorable melodies. the lyrics are a step down too - Silent Shout especially could be quite evocative but they're more hamfisted here and the BDSM subject matter of some of it is completely uninteresting to me

ufo, Saturday, 16 December 2017 11:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Sleaford Mods - this guy used to sound angry, now he just sounds bored (I do like most of the previous records)

heh this = lack of money > money

King Krule was the overrated hype of the year for me. Could barely get through that mess 3 times.

So I will probably dig his next record :P

Ludo, Saturday, 16 December 2017 19:04 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Fever ray album is fucking great, just took time to grow on me. I mean it's not that different texturally from
The debut it's just more hyper kinetic arrangement wise. Give it some time, mustn't hurry

In a slipshod style (Ross), Saturday, 16 December 2017 19:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

oh i'm not annoyed. I actually conquored my aversions evoked by that facial expression the singer does in press photos and found the music ok

ninthyoung, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:29 (four days ago) Permalink

nah I hated it

ninthyoung, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:33 (four days ago) Permalink

sorry that you're embarrassed

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:34 (four days ago) Permalink

an opportunist move to distance yourself from the exaggeratedly earnest middle-brow herd whose disapproval of this album is just a little bit too easy for you to stomach. Can't let them think they've actually got it, can you?

Is this a list of the track titles? I can't parse it as an argument

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:37 (four days ago) Permalink

I saw The 1975 back in 2013 when they first came out and it sounded precisely like Hot Hot Heat and a pretty singer yelping "she's got a boyfriend anyway / she's got a boyfriend anyway" and I just figured they were throw-back-to-2003-landfill-indie and would be heard as such. Surprise! it's 2018 and they hybridized that landfill-indie sound with the DNTEL begat Postal Service begat Owl City sound and... I'm glad the music consuming population have figured out what they like and are saying so!

Me, I really appreciate the graphic design on their albums, excellent font choices.

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:38 (four days ago) Permalink

I think you might want to listen to "Mine" or "Lostmyhead" or "Tootimetootime..." to see how that's a woefully inadequate description of Their Thing

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:40 (four days ago) Permalink

"sex" is the only 1975 song that sounds like "sex" otherwise they've barely made anything resembling landfill indie

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:41 (four days ago) Permalink

people keep comparing the album to owl city which is just beyond me

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:41 (four days ago) Permalink

unless you'd like to point me to the owl city record with the garage track on it

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:41 (four days ago) Permalink

i understand they are unbelievably easy to dislike but generally want more precision about it thanks

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:43 (four days ago) Permalink

xp I'll take any excuse to link this: https://youtu.be/ECN7C1QQyqk

rob, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:50 (four days ago) Permalink

an opportunist move to distance yourself from the exaggeratedly earnest middle-brow herd whose disapproval of this album is just a little bit too easy for you to stomach. Can't let them think they've actually got it, can you?

Is this a list of the track titles? I can't parse it as an argument

― I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Monday, December 10, 2018 4:37 PM (twelve minutes ago)

Think the bit in italics is the title of the next album.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:51 (four days ago) Permalink

In all honesty the last 1975 sounds to me like what landfill indie was supposed to sound like. It's not weird that there's a garage track on it, it's weird that Bloc Party made an album called 'A Weekend In the City' without a garage track on it.

Frederik B, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:51 (four days ago) Permalink

lmao fred otm

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:55 (four days ago) Permalink

I didn't say I disliked them! I don't really like or dislike anything anymore. I do like their fonts! I'm not being dismissive! I saw a poster announcing their recent album and snapped a photo of it and texted it to my design-y friend to ask why I liked the font so much

OK so the song "Sex" was the song I was thinking of. I don't know why I thought it sounded like Hot Hot Heat when it's a very transparent "All My Friends" lift. And DNTEL and that genealogy of production choices isn't really that off-base I don't think... (though to be honest it all sounds like Ariel Rechtstaid to me, all the 1975 tracks I've flipped through over the last half hour could easily be Sky Ferreira songs)

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:57 (four days ago) Permalink

oh sorry fgti i kinda went on a tangent about more general responses to the record lol

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:58 (four days ago) Permalink

I guess I dislike it for the same reasons I dislike shows like Bojack Horseman. They want to make these trenchant comments on society at large but at the same time package it such a way, that if anyone calls them out on the lacking substance or coherence, then it's totally besides the point, because it's about having a laugh.

I guess they sorta address this themselves. "saying controversial things just for the hell of it", but self-awareness about it only makes it come off as more dishonest to me.

ninthyoung, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:01 (four days ago) Permalink

Ah, I see. I don't dislike this band! I don't dislike DNTEL or landfill indie either though. I just hear, when I listen to 1975, an amalgamation of things that were roundly excoriated five, ten years ago, (i.e. latter-day Bloc Party! Frederik otm!) But the 1975 make it work somehow (and I myself think it's because of the excellent choices in fonts)

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:01 (four days ago) Permalink

xp

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:01 (four days ago) Permalink

I guess I just don't hear even the teensiest traces of any of the touchstones being thrown out here on the last two records tbh

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:03 (four days ago) Permalink

the fonts are good it's true

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:03 (four days ago) Permalink

Very onion-esque to insist that you like them just fine by emphasizing how much you like the fonts they choose

Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:07 (four days ago) Permalink

...why wouldn't that be a valid reason to like a band? OMD are one of my favourite bands and largely for the same reason

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:20 (four days ago) Permalink

And tbf I have only listened to the singles from the new 1975 album and it sounds like the NME did not actually fold but rather manifested itself as a band

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:22 (four days ago) Permalink

the 1975 definitely succeeded in doing the "we're not that interested in being a Rock band anymore" thing where bloc party dramatically failed

ufo, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:23 (four days ago) Permalink

my first reaction to them, on hearing some of the singles from the s/t, was "oh this is the latest version of shitty british indie pop like two door cinema club" (which was pretty unfair of me) but then a few years later i heard some of the sublime EP tracks like "me" via the thread here and that made me willing to love them

ufo, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:30 (four days ago) Permalink

honestly, i'd read a piece about the 1975's art direction / visual aesthetic / marketing / etc, as long as that piece talked to the people behind it, both conceptually (Matty, I assume) and in execution ... I would love to read that.

alpine static, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:33 (four days ago) Permalink

"as long as that piece talked to the people behind it" < - by this I mean i wanna read an interview-based feature w/ analysis, not some writer's essay

alpine static, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:34 (four days ago) Permalink

I thought fgti was doing a bit (in regards to the fonts) to say that they're very successful in their art direction/marketing... despite the actual music not being that noteworthy.

Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:36 (four days ago) Permalink

_these were bold and thoughtful ideas_


Very much agreed. This kind of poptimism, narrowly defined, has greatly influenced my own understanding of music over the years. But since rockism manifestly lost the war, poptimism – in no small part due to the term's suggestive versatility – is no longer 'anti-establishment' in 2018. Quite the contrary, which is why it deserves a bit of a ruffling.


i do think your points about wider listening are valid and necessary, especially today. but if you think rockism “lost the war” can i introduce you to the writings of steven hyden and chuck klosterman, both of whom are highly prominent critics among the outside-of-ilm masses (never mind the lack of turnover at most dailies in america, where rockism really takes root)? or play you some banter by djs on classic rock stations, which remain stalwart on the fm dial in the face of encroachment by talk and sports stations?

sorry to beat this like a horse but the wider picture is a lot more status quo and it’s depressing

xp

maura, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:42 (four days ago) Permalink

xpost maybe he is, but i like their music and think their art direction is consistently awesome and confident and distinctive and would like to read a wonky piece about how it happens.

same goes for, idk, Fucked Up.

alpine static, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:47 (four days ago) Permalink

iirc there was an interview with the person who did the neon signs for the last album, let me see if i can find it

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:48 (four days ago) Permalink

huh it might be behind a paywall now

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:51 (four days ago) Permalink

sorry to beat this like a horse but the wider picture is a lot more status quo and it’s depressing

Fair enough. Some of the elder statesmen of rockism are definitely still around and I'm sure they continue to carry clout with audiophile types, but I doubt a lot of young people care for what they have to say. Not saying none of them do – you'll occasionally find them complaining on reddit about how no one plays real instruments anymore –but it's a far less prevalent stance nowadays.

pomenitul, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:53 (four days ago) Permalink

a good place to find rockism these days is the stereogum comments section

ufo, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Permalink

Guardian comments is 90% rockism, 10% "never heard of them"

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:58 (four days ago) Permalink

ninthyoung's right, i listen to the 1975 just bc i hate the stereogum comment section that much

lowercase (eric), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:59 (four days ago) Permalink

or any comments section, really, or any person you encounter in real life (there may be overlap)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:07 (four days ago) Permalink

tell it to my students' introductory surveys, pomenitul

anyway whatever

maura, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:07 (four days ago) Permalink

maura relentlessly otm itt

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:13 (four days ago) Permalink

I don't know any rockists under the age of 50 so my anecdotal evidence doesn't match your anecdotal evidence. The overwhelming majority of people I know are vehemently opposed to the idea that there is such a thing as 'real' music and primarily listen to pop. Also, I've never lived in the US.

pomenitul, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:23 (four days ago) Permalink

I didn't think Chuck Klosterman was what people meant by 'rockism' at all, although I haven't kept up with his recent work. The famous Ramones vs Ratt was totally an argument that popular but critically derided 'corporate, fake, pedestrian' music should be discussed at least as seriously as critically acclaimed 'important, authentic' music.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:27 (four days ago) Permalink

*Ramones vs Ratt piece

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:27 (four days ago) Permalink

That may be just "neurological", but teenagers have a high attraction for pedantism and conservatism. 16 years old who discover Pink Floyd or Led Zep etc. That has never really changed and never will. But yeah in real life people are mostly casual, most don't care to have a logic to their listens (god bless them). When you move online, you see everything, including people who should really be made of straw... as maura said.

Nabozo, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:34 (four days ago) Permalink

katherine said* (in that particular way)

Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:36 (four days ago) Permalink

Klosterman is just Diet XhuxK is how I break it down to an extent

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:44 (four days ago) Permalink

that’s an insult to xhuhk

maura, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:47 (four days ago) Permalink

revisiting all these Ewing essays is really edifying, and it also makes me wonder how you might conceptualize something that follows poptimism around the current (perceived?) dominance of the Atlanta sound and other streaming-centric hip-hop. a lot of times it feels like that stuff is intentionally pushing against Ewing's (more often implied than explicit) ideas about what populism *sounds* like, musically, and also leans more towards rabid fandom as way to leverage oneself into popularity than reaching across the aesthetic aisle.

austinb, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:28 (four days ago) Permalink

it's also interesting to see how little extramusical ethics plays a part in these columns, considering how dominant it is in the discourse now

austinb, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:33 (four days ago) Permalink

More to say soon but: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "extramusical ethics" but I think that part of the backlash against evaluating music in terms of 'authenticity' and/or authorial intent in the early poptimism days (as seen in the ca. 2000 Ewing essays that Tim linked) might have involved a conscious move away from or reaction to evaluating music in terms of certain types of extramusical ethics, whether in terms of looking for explicit statements in the music, concern with the identities or backgrounds of stars, or valuing smaller-scale or non-corporate modes of production or dissemination. If anything, it was probably the 'rockists' who had venerated Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development 10 years earlier. ('Rockism' is almost definitely even more of a strawman than any take on 'poptimism' imo, esp considering that afaik literally no one positively identified as a 'rockist' before the term was coined as a put-down.)

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:26 (yesterday) Permalink


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