RIP Mark E. Smith

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deserves its own thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQMP0G0-hQM

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the fire has fallen

#TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The day I've been dreading.

"It is with deep regret that we announce the passing of Mark E. Smith. He passed this morning at home.... 1/2

— Fall news (@fallnews) January 24, 2018

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

He certainly does deserve his own thread.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i found this out just now while grocery shopping. it is a weird walk home now. this one hurts a lot

#TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I can't believe he was only 60. RIP

flappy bird, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

RIP iconoclast.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

holy shit this sucks

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

to say he was one of a kind doesn't begin to cover it

rest in peace mark

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

God motherfucking damnit man

This really hurts.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I feel like I was ready for this one, at least

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, I knew this was coming.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It was coming. But still.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Shit didn't catch this in time. But as I say on previous thread. This is a major loss for me. I will his presence very very much. Godspeed MES! You were one of the greats. much as he disliked such things I am So glad that he was recognized in his lifetime. He was a total one off. Ok now to play that Live at Hacienda 83-85 dvd and remind myself once again what an amazing man he was.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wtf happened? Had he been ill?

treeship 2, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yes

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The greatest lyricist in musical history, to such an extent that the word ‘lyrics’ is unfit to describe what he did. Other than miles, probably the greatest assembler-of-performers-into-something-unforeseeable there ever was. Like Scott Walker his effect on me spreads way beyond music and art. At his frequent best he was onto source code for whatever this is we are all part of here.
Vale Mark E. Smith I will never forget you.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I haven't bothered with the Fall for well over 20 years but he is still the single most important figure in my musical life. Was.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

fuck

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

RIP hip priest. he was damo suzuki

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xxp their later work is shockingly strong, check out The Unutterable, Our Future Your Clutter, and "The Real New Fall LP" for proof

sleeve, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

He was Dylan, Beefheart and Lou in one for me. I used to joke that he was my Bob Dylan.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

RIP Mark, thanks for being the best thing this terrible country has produced in the last 60 years

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

First saw him/them when I was still at school, they played in Paisley, in a venue that is now a tapas bar - Paisley version - where me, my mum and my sister went for a meal when I was up for Christmas!

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The Blue Orchids played there around the same time.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

My missus just said the P4k obit describes him as coming from a "middle class background"!

calzino, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

LOL 'mericans.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

woah this is crazy, did not see this coming

RIP MES

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

im eternally grateful

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this just going round in my head now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9zTSvEpt_8

faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

well fuck this

fuck death

Dinsdale, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The obit on the guardian is such a mess, clearly a draft they had ready but didn't check, deserves better

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Was it removed? Can't find anything about it on their site

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

RIP.

Although I've been preparing myself for this news for months. In some ways, I find it remarkable that he made it to 60.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh shit huge loss RIP

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

RIP Mark

heaven can now have killer sessions again, they are back together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIPlWzM84c

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

A bit gobsmacked by this, although I knew he'd been unwell. RIP MES. Thanks for the legacy.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

His death was previously wrongly announced by the BBC in March last year, on his 60th birthday.

Nice way to end your obit, Graun, real classy

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i always felt like the fall had so much vitriol, so unrelenting, that when he did have the rare moment of tenderness it was so much more affecting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbMG1v7qDqs

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah know what you mean, gutted

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp Marc Riley is playing this right now on 6Music <3

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Shit news but not unexpected after recent events.

RIP

groovypanda, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i always felt like the fall had so much vitriol, so unrelenting, that when he did have the rare moment of tenderness it was so much more affecting

absolutely

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

(thanks for the tip on 6music Neil)

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This song was my Fall gateway. Intro'd here by Tony Wilson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygQmJ59E4Q

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thinking of Fizzles the Chimp, sorry for your loss.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ah bollocks. :c RIP.

Ludo, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Up here in the North there are no wage packet jobs for us
Thank Christ
While young married couples discuss the poverties
Of their self-built traps
And the junior clergy demand more cash
We spit in their plate and wait for the ice to melt

the girl with the rub-on tattoo (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As of today I have finally reached the stage where I am ready to just listen to tons and tons of fall for a long time

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, I've been revisiting some of the less familiar albums

sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also, boy do I have a lot of issues with this Ian Cusack piece:

http://payaso-de-mierda.blogspot.in/2018/01/mark-is-dead.html

the dismissal of the later records is so obstinate, he admits that he basically never listened to them but.... still hates them?

I think his timeline of the decline is more or less accurate, but he underrates everything after 1994 so comically that it undercuts the piece imo

sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Listened to Von Sudenfed today, so freakin' good. I'll be honest, I don't think I'd ever bother with Mouse On Mars if Mark wasn't fronting them. Mark did that alot, such a presence he had that anything he was on became his.

"The Rhinohead" - is Mark being auto-tuned? He kinda sounds like Colin Newman does these days.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's a great record all the way through

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xxpost

I really loved that piece because it was so personal but yeah calling later Fall a Killing Joke ripoff was a bit much, I got the sense he couldn't separate his feelings about MES's self destructiveness from the music

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 04:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah agreed

I've been starting from the beginning, listening to Live 77 a lot & Bingo Master's Break-Out, along w the earliest Witch Trials songs etc

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 04:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Von Sudenfed is great, like several MoM records are

Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 07:51 (one week ago) Permalink

I've got 384 Fall songs (currently) on my iPod and just shuffling through them all day at work and being doing it for last week straight

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:35 (one week ago) Permalink

My best friend is a big fan from the early days, doesn't like some of the mid-period stuff (eg Frenz Experiment), and insists last year's album is real good.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:14 (one week ago) Permalink

it is!

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:18 (one week ago) Permalink

I love the last record but my favorite Fall era is 1978-2017 so yr mileage my vary.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:19 (one week ago) Permalink

sounds like the funereal was something

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:40 (one week ago) Permalink

my favorite Fall era is 1978-2017

gets it

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:40 (one week ago) Permalink

As much as I love the Brix era, I'm currently still stuck on listening to 1978-83, sometimes poring over the Annotated Lyrics site as I go.

A track that kind of passed me by until now and now sounds like one of the best things they ever did was Hard Life in the Country.

And (slightly arbitrarily of course) for a long time I've said English Scheme is my favourite Fall track I found this version of it from Glasgow's Plaza Ballroom in 1981 where the recording is pretty ropy but the band is just on fire.

Alba, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:13 (one week ago) Permalink

oh man hard life in country is so great

D. BOWIE lookalikes permeate carparks
It GETS a bit de-pres-sing

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:19 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm currently still stuck on listening to 1978-83, sometimes poring over the Annotated Lyrics site as I go.

Haha yep this is me

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:36 (one week ago) Permalink

about to spin the live Reykjavik album for the first time in years. Highly recommended as it captures the lineup right after Riley expulsion. You've got the lone Scanlon in pitched battle against double drummers and Hanleysaurus. Also it has some really really great MES lyrical revisions

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah that weird silver of time right after Riley and before Brix where there is no "lead" instrument just this storming rhythm section making this huge cavernous noise and MES being MES (and occasionally rolling his knuckles over a keyboard) is awesome

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:07 (one week ago) Permalink

That's about as close as they come to being harmolodic rock band

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I have no idea if the video links on the WFMU playlist i posted yesterday are in this thread, ck out if not

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Jon do u mean that Austerbaijao album or whatever it's called? Great stuff.

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:11 (one week ago) Permalink

yes austerbaijarbo

SNOW on easter sunday
JESUS CHRIST in reverse

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink

the vers of "Backdrop" on there is so amazing

Who put the yellow pills in
The-a-ah Gordon's gin?

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

it also has the best The Classical sales pitch (elephant... HOUSE... odor)

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

WPRB in Princeton put together a huge post about Mark and the Fall with audio interviews (with Craig Scanlon in 86 and later with MES in 94), clips from radio shows about the Fall, an on-air accounting of the 1998 Philadelphia show (just before the Brownie's show), a letter from Mark to one of the DJs, pictures of the WPRB library's Fall lps (with DJ notes written on the covers) and other ephemera.

http://www.wprbhistory.org/mark-e-smith-wprb-fall/

city worker, Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:36 (one week ago) Permalink

As a huge Pavement fan, can anyone point me to the most obvious lifts?

― kraudive, Friday, January 26, 2018 10:48 AM (one week ago)

I don't know if it's a lift, but "Forklift" sounds a heck of a lot like a Wonderful and Frightening World-era Fall tune.

timellison, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:02 (one week ago) Permalink

The early Pavement singles/ep & S&E are sort of spiritually in the same realm, scattered, ratty, cryptic, singer sounds like he's trapped in a speaker box at a fast food drive through, but the similarities between the bands is more aesthetic than musical and even then it's a bit trumped up.

Weed vs speed basically.

Also Pavement never had a rhythm section that was in even in the same country as the Fall's (any of 'em).

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 9 February 2018 15:08 (one week ago) Permalink

otm

sleeve, Friday, 9 February 2018 15:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah that always seemed the crucial thing. The Fall ca. Dragnet/Totales Turn were a killer dance band

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Some more clarification from Pritchard he mentions “parasites and vultures, who have only been around a couple years physically attacking people asking why they were at the funeral.

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Gary Young could have played drums in the Fall.

timellison, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:55 (one week ago) Permalink

it always seemed to me like the Fall's shambolic quality came more from Mark and whoever is playing keyboard/guitar, and that any Fall drummer wld have to be able to hold down a motorik beat for a long time, Gary Young does not strike me as that guy

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Also MES only allowed for one unreliable drunk in the band at a time

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Statement from his sisters on the "official" Fall site

We would like to thank family, friends and fans for all their kind words, condolences and memories about our brother Mark.

Also, the N.H.S and staff who treated Mark throughout and Mark’s partner Pam who loved, cared and cherished our brother.

Mark fought a long and hard battle after his diagnosis of terminal lung and kidney cancer. He took every treatment going, which could be brutal at times and left Mark with some horrible side effects. Mark was such a strong man and hated letting his fans down and tried to carry on regardless against all advice.

Mark had a great life and loved and lived it to the full and always by his own rules and we, as his sisters were privileged to be part of it too.

Mark is at peace now and pain free, but we, his three sisters have been left heartbroken and will miss our big brother very much.

Barbara, Suzanne and Caroline.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 12 February 2018 16:03 (one week ago) Permalink

;_;

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Aw man.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:20 (one week ago) Permalink

I can't believe he played those last shows

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:46 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah it really is a testament to his force of will

very touching, thanks for posting that

sleeve, Monday, 12 February 2018 16:49 (one week ago) Permalink

One of the things I think that gets overlooked when people talk about the Fall and all the records/songs and all the touring and continuing despite turnovers and illness & etc. is that I don't think you can look at them like a "band" exactly. You need to think about them as a small business, like a plumbing service (MES's dad was a plumber). MES never seemed to wait for creative inspiration or the mood to strike to write songs, they were constantly writing because that's what bands do, they write songs and put out records. That's how you make money.

People quit or get fired you don't close up shop, you find replacements. You might be sick but you press on cuz that's just what you do.

In Hanley's book he points that right from the start (or least from when Bramah & Friel exit) the group was organized from the top down, MES & management in charge and controlling the purse strings and everyone else was essentially an employee, drawing a wage, going to the boss when gear needed to be replaced etc.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 12 February 2018 16:58 (one week ago) Permalink

And like a small business owner MES sort of equally loves & hates "the lads" and berates them when they fuck up but when Hanley's son is born premature they basically give him six months paid leave (though I suspect that was more Brix then MES)

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 12 February 2018 17:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I just finally watched the videos of that final Glasgow show yesterday

Fuckin hell.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Monday, 12 February 2018 17:11 (one week ago) Permalink

There is a 'tribute' column in Private Eye this week, a sort-of message from the afterlife. It's touching that they did it, it's not something they've done often if at all before. Obviously it's terrible, but hey.

Mark G, Monday, 12 February 2018 18:56 (one week ago) Permalink

"Re-Mit", which I probably haven't listened to since it was released really sounding good this AM.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:08 (six days ago) Permalink

This person’s posthumous top 20 is really well chosen and really really well written.

http://hippriestess.tumblr.com

La Lechera if u want another fall playlist...

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:34 (six days ago) Permalink

As a mark of respect for the great Mark E Smith we’ve displayed Grayson Perry’s ‘My Heroes’ with MES’s portrait to the fore. In Studio Ceramics, Room 142, The Lydia and Manfred Gorvy Gallery, V&A. #markesmith #markesmithrip #TheFall #GraysonPerry #ceramics @V_and_A @Alan_Measles pic.twitter.com/jhRNuxhfZc

— Alun Graves (@alun_graves) February 14, 2018

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:18 (five days ago) Permalink

Barry Sheen is on the other side iirc. (April Ashley and Aubrey Beardsley also, according to Wikipedia)

There's one of Johnny Vegas' teapots in the same room.

koogs, Thursday, 15 February 2018 10:13 (five days ago) Permalink

it actually looks a bit more like Mick than Mark IMO

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Thursday, 15 February 2018 10:49 (five days ago) Permalink

Indeed. Lips too sumptuous

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:52 (five days ago) Permalink


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