So do I think the sticker is him, not really, but did they know the Fall back then, oh heck yes.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 February 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
wow they did shows with Monitor! a Joe Carducci favorite
http://disasteramnesiac.blogspot.com/2013/04/monitor-st-world-imitation-1980-reissue.html
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 February 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
also wow would i love to have heard Mark's reaction to the Germs lol
Don't think it's MES on the sticker, but this has turned into a great story all the same
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 2 February 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
This is a fantastic detail from the show of 15th September 79:
"Supporting were Methodisch Tune (writer Ian Penman's band - that's not a typo!), Scritti Politti (in the days when they were experimental and before Green decided to become a pop star). In the audience were Peter Purvis from 'Blue Peter' and Mike Robinson from 'Fingerbobs'."
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 2 February 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
also important and relevant: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0c3rgsIUAAmN5X.jpg
― mark s, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
No, sorry, I'm not buying Peter Purves.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 2 February 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
<3 Viggo
My next best guess for the identity of sticker person: Joan Jett
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 2 February 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
xp, yeah. More John Noakes' thing I suppose.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
Quoting Captain Mainwaring? That is so perfect!
no, he's quoting napoleon. sorry i wasn't clearer there.
― new noise, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
Mainwaring/ Napoleon, same thing.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 2 February 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
Mainwaring/ Napoleon/Smith, same thing :)
― mark s, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
"don't panic!"
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/d/j/x/7/j/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349.1dg7oq.png/1471913713286.jpg
― mark s, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
"Stupid boy" surely?
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 2 February 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
also: re the fall in slash magazine, there's a LOT (which still surprises me but it turns out that's my parochialism projected onto slash): mentioned on 56 pages in 29 issues
― mark s, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
(most of them are capsule reviews on a larger page with other stuff but even so)
― mark s, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
Is that the infamous "happy" photo of Riley arriving in NZ, which got printed in the local papers (Lie Dream of a Casino Soul was top 20 there!), and so hacked off MES that he fired him?
― Michael Jones, Friday, 2 February 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
Yes, though I don't think that was the only reason. MES claimed that Riley wanted to wear a stetson when he played "Container Drivers", for instance.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 February 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
Well, there was the incident earlier on that tour (shortly after arriving in Australia) where the band were drunkenly dancing to Rock The Casbah in some nightclub, so MES slapped them all. And Riley hit him back. They did an interview on TV the next morning, MES w/black eye.
― Michael Jones, Saturday, 3 February 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
The version I read said it was dancing to Deep Purple that was beyond the pale
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 3 February 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link
The full details.
http://static.stuff.co.nz/1471318288/188/15625188.jpg
― everything, Saturday, 3 February 2018 00:31 (six years ago) link
what was their Top 20 hit in New Zealand?
love the stetson hat story the most out of all these details (if true, even if not it's very funny)
also love the historical detour into the relationship the band had with the Slash scene
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 February 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
That poster that mark s. posted is A+.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 3 February 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
"Lie Dream of a Casino Soul" got to #17 in NZ.
― timellison, Saturday, 3 February 2018 08:19 (six years ago) link
Great pair of pics.
I don't know about MES being bothered about Riley getting the magpic, he did make a joke about it on that live album. Which has the same photo on the front. Which did get MES approval until he found copies in UK shops before he'd received personal copies, at which point he insisted it get withdrawn.
Still, the MES photo would have been better - he looks a bit like Steve Marriott there.
― Mark G, Saturday, 3 February 2018 09:53 (six years ago) link
The story I heard from Chris Knox or whichever NZ musician is that the music mags got distributed to NZ months before the actual songs being pumped up by the NME or whatever got distributed, which is why Joy Divison has a couple of top 5 hits in NZ
― Isi, Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:10 (six years ago) link
drunkenly dancing to Rock The Casbah
TO BE FAIR they were not slapped hard enough for this
― mark s, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
Slapped hard with bonuses maybe
― albvivertine, Saturday, 3 February 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
Still, the MES photo would have been better - he looks a bit like Steve Marriott there.― Mark G, Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:53 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mark G, Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:53 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Feargal Sharkey, more like.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Saturday, 3 February 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
Marc Riley has a joker hysterical face
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
This should be a poll surely?https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUeU4l7XcAARuZy.jpg:large
― Stevie T, Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Harsh on Telly Savalas imo
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
Yes, a lot of that list deserves to be hated but not Kojak.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
he is a tit tho
― mark s, Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
There's an article on Mark E Smith in the Waitrose free paper.
― djh, Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TuUOgzcfOeg/V2XBRTTzvrI/AAAAAAAAE2s/f4eB_81C0IIXhThpD3KpbGVAtUys9iaBQCLcB/s1600/Tina%2Bvs%2BErich.gif
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
Regarding L.A. 1979 gigs - there was an official CD release of the AntiClub gig - one of my fave Fall live recordings.
https://www.discogs.com/Fall-Live-From-The-Vaults-Los-Angeles-1979/release/994907
― lingereffect (Kent Burt), Sunday, 4 February 2018 01:25 (six years ago) link
Wow, with a Pascal le Gras cover, no less.
― timellison, Sunday, 4 February 2018 07:11 (six years ago) link
The wonderful and frightening documentary is on bbc4 next Saturday
― koogs, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:48 (six years ago) link
Xxxxpost not sure what he exactly "did" on it.but Claude Bessy gets a prominent thank you, literally, it says "TANK: Clde BESSY" on box for the Perverted by Language DVD. Didn't Catholic Discipline do the colorfully named punk chestnut "decadent jew"? I so, thats a rather Mark E Smithian title. Though he would more likely insert it into a line, rather than the title/chorus. Also, Big Thanks to the redoubtable Mr. Raggett on the awesome zine dls. Those are awesome to have around. And that pic of MES w/Chris D is classic!! Chris d smiling is pretty unusual. And MES looks so wasted, holy shit man. The pulled out pant pocket is a nice touch. Gives him thatch "just been rolled" look. Lol. Love you, Mark!! And will really miss catching new interviews and stuff, which often are more interesting than the later records. However, i can always dance to his vibrations for the rest of my crazy days. Thank you again and again Mr Smith.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Monday, 5 February 2018 02:24 (six years ago) link
Decadent Jew was by the Nuns.
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 5 February 2018 06:49 (six years ago) link
The Nuns! O.k. Thanks. I figured someone here would correct me on that. Well, in that case, Catholic Discipline really didnt have ANY good material,I'm into C.B., as a human being/writer, but his band. Yeesh! BTW in the MES tribute at the world's finest Fall website theyve started posting DLable mp3s of various radio shows about MES, from BBC and other sources. Some great listening there.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Monday, 5 February 2018 08:02 (six years ago) link
Claude Bessey directed the "Kicker Conspiracy" and "Wings" vids.
― Mark G, Monday, 5 February 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link
I'm into C.B.
well done
― Dumpster Fire Walk With Me (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link
MES seemed to have a pretty strong fascination with LA/West Coast early on, Claude, Richard Meltzer (Meltzer talks about he & MES ditching the "musicians" to go drink at some bar), Chris D, & MES, seemed to all be fast friends/drinking companions, which jesus christ seems like some serious trouble.
Mark apparently wanted to visit Compton and there's some early zine interview where he claims that Mexican dudes in low riders were all big Fall fans, which seems like his claim that only plumbers & working men came to their gigs in England.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
Einar and MES, a match made in hell but they'll take you to heaven first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5q5J67Mrv0
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
seen on FB: "in the 15 years since The Fall released their greatest hits collection “50,000 Fall Fans Can’t Be Wrong,” it has sold 48,700 copies."
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
Brian of WFMU about 30 mins into a 3-hr tribute, listen now or later
http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/77281
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
the hip priest he just played was terrific
― adam, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
Is this the zine interview, chr1s?
http://jneomarvin.com/interviews-of-our-times/the-fall-unpublished-1981/
MES' West Coast fascination is pretty scrupulously documented in "C & C/ S. Mithering"
― the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link