the afghan whigs: black love

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OptionVotes
Faded 7
Bulletproof 6
Blame Etc. 6
Honky’s Ladder 5
Going to Town 5
Summer’s Kiss 3
Double Day 2
My Enemy 2
Crime Scene Part One 2
Step into the Light 1
Night by Candlelight 1


flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hard to beat the opener.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

we've never done this?!

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

all of them

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah there's no obvious standout to me, and it's kind of hard to think about the tracks in isolation, they're all a single darkly scorched thing

but also those last two minutes of "bulletproof"

sophistipop 2 (stritram), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

str8 gangsta shit

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

apart from all of them, I might end up voting for Blame, Etc. but listening through right now and Shawn Smith's vocals on Night By Candlelight...

Haribo Hancock (sic), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

either honkys or faded

faust apes (NickB), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

^similar for me, but this will require relistening

The Sound of the City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hmm, maybe "Going to Town?" Or "Blame Etc.?" It's a million times better live, but when it shifts from Blaxsploitation to Whigs it kicks ass. Or "Honkey's." "Got you where I want you, motherfucker" is what they call an opening line.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I mean, goddamn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKvQkofehCI

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

And I mean, shit, from the now legendary 2012 reunion shows. I was at this one ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THAKskSp6mQ

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

First time I saw them was in ... 1997? I might have been at the height - or a height - of music snobbery, or at least suspicion of anything major label and "alternative." Hadn't really followed them that much, but liked Congregation at the time and Gentlemen later, yet still bought into the (false) narrative that the band had somehow peaked with Gentlemen and was kind of floundering. So I got myself on the last minute guest list for their show, which of course started really late, so I was tired, and I think I had a cold, and I went by myself because either no one was around or wanted to go. So there I go to the show, get myself a little VIP spot and BLAM, they just killed me. I particularly remember being so gobsmacked by the horn section and singers, total surprises to me.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Honky's Ladder" has the worst lyrics, but the best guitar. "Crime Scene" has the best lyrics, but I played it too many times and got burned out on the whole quiet-loud thing. "Blame Etc" might get my vote, cuz it's one I underrated for a long time, but I've found myself skipping ahead to it the last few times I played the album.

bernard snowy, Thursday, 1 February 2018 02:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

I might have to go with "Bulletproof" but it's tough to go wrong on this album

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 02:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

put on yr rose fur coat baby, cause it's 1973

worth revisiting from a certain ilxor: http://lastplanetojakarta.com/articles/gentlemen.html

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

btw 'faded' > 'purple rain'

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

hey that's a take I think I may agree with.

fgti spinner (Spottie), Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Between Faded and Crime Scene for me prob. Faded is the ultimate car belter.
idk, cant go wrong w any of these. Maybe ill throw a vote at summers kiss I D K

fgti spinner (Spottie), Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Saw them a couple months before they started recording the album and then a couple months after it was released. The first one seemed extra special because they were trying out some of the new material, including -- if memory serves -- the three final songs consecutively. Besides...

The night after the Red Wings lost the '95 Stanley Cup, the Whigs played Detroit and Dulli's first words were "How 'bout them Devils?!" A beer ricocheted off his chest and he laughed it off.

― Andy K, Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:05 PM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think this was also the night R*ck McC*ll*m got a ride to Saint Andrew's in a Detroit Police car. A bunch of us were standing outside and went silent as he got out and walked into the venue. I broke the silence with something like, "I have a good feeling about this one."

Andy K, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am seeing them for the first time in April and I am so stoked, the setlist from their last tour looked nuts

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

this album is pretty much perfect from start to finish so this is extremely difficult. probably between Blame, etc. and the closing trio

ufo, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

just listened to this album for the first time, all the way thru, and im gonna say............................ faded

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

'My Enemy' but this is really tough. What a record.

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 1 February 2018 07:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

And I mean, shit, from the now legendary 2012 reunion shows. I was at this one ...

aww at how thin Greg got for that tour!

Haribo Hancock (sic), Thursday, 1 February 2018 07:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

saw them in November and there were still tix on the door: presale for co-headline with Built To Spill sold out in a day last week

Haribo Hancock (sic), Thursday, 1 February 2018 07:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is one of the first records i bought, age 15, solely on the strength of a review (in select iirc) and man did i get lucky

what an album, fucking great from front to back. gonna need to think pretty hard to pick a winner here

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 February 2018 08:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

every one’s a winner baby

faust apes (NickB), Thursday, 1 February 2018 08:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

I find it hard to settle on a favourite Whigs album, usually flitting between this and ‘Gentlemen’.

Still kicking myself I didn’t see the 2012 reunion show with Rick on board in London; I naively assumed they’d be back round again soon enough and would come further north, but alas.

I’ve seen the post-reunion Twilight Whigs a few times and enjoy them.

michaellambert, Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

I find it hard to settle on a favourite Whigs album, usually flitting between this and ‘Gentlemen’.

Still kicking myself I didn’t see the 2012 reunion show with Rick on board in London; I naively assumed they’d be back round again soon enough and would come further north, but alas.

I’ve seen the post-reunion Twilight Whigs a few times and enjoy them.

michaellambert, Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Must've been at least 15 years since I've heard this. On memory I'd instantly say 'Faded' but will spin this again tonight.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

when you say
now we got hell to pay
don't worry baby, that's okay...

faust apes (NickB), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oddly, I've never heard this even though I played Gentlemen all the time at the time (I went through a break up and man is Gentlemen a break up album...).
Need to get a copy of Black Love asap.

willem, Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

^ this (minus the break up)

ArchCarrier, Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

I saw them at t in the park 1996 when this album came out. They were the band I wanted to see most. Was not disappointed, they were fantastic.

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Bulletproof if I have to choose but real answer is "all of them"

I love how it hits on familiar Dulli themes (motherfuckers, going to town, taking a ride, kissing) and the band completely slays from start to finish. Their best album imo.
I saw them a few times in the early-mid 90s and again on the reunion tour and they have never even come close to disappointing me. They are a top notch live band.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

motherfuckers, going to town, taking a ride, kissing

great name for a Whigs comp

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's one of the last three, i just haven't decided which yet

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

as I throoooow the chaiiiins I foooorged in li-ay-ay-fe
toooo shaaaaater toooo the flooooor!!

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 February 2018 01:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

and if you knew-hoo
just how smoo-hoooth
I could
stop
it
on
a
dime

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 February 2018 01:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

holy shit @ that 2012 "blame etc." that josh posted

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 February 2018 01:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

what a band

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 February 2018 01:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

btw 'faded' > 'purple rain'

― mookieproof, Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:12 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow, post of the year

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 February 2018 01:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

put on yr rose fur coat baby, cause it's 1973

worth revisiting from a certain ilxor: http://lastplanetojakarta.com/articles/gentlemen.html

― mookieproof, Wednesday, January 31, 2018 7:10 PM (yesterday)

c/p:

By the time one gets through the ballad, “My Curse,” sung achingly by Scrawl’s Jody Stephens...

lol

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 2 February 2018 06:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah it's Faded

ufo, Friday, 2 February 2018 06:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

summer's kiss and didn't even have to think about it

campreverb, Friday, 2 February 2018 16:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

at the 2012 show i saw they opened with "crime scene" and closed (pre-encore) with "bulletproof"/"summer's kiss"/"faded" and that was the moment i realized that black love was my favorite whigs album

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 February 2018 16:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh yeah this really was the best show i've ever seen https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-afghan-whigs/2012/bowery-ballroom-new-york-ny-bdffd12.html

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 February 2018 16:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

that setlist, my god. I only want for "my curse"

Simon H., Friday, 2 February 2018 16:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

which i was lucky enough to see later that year, they invited marcy mays onstage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz11k12udBg

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 February 2018 16:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

i can't think of a moment on 1965 that isn't live drums. "66"? the '90s loop feel is way stronger on twilight

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 21:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

"crazy"'s got those super dilated prim radio gods drums i guess but the song is so beautiful

essentially i think the record has dulli's best pop songs

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 21:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

okay yeah i couldn't tell sometimes if he was drumming or it was a loop, like on crazy they are kinda squashed and give it a machine feel

at least part of it is i like black love way out of any common sense and i don't know if anything would have been good enough for me, but certain records are funny like that

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 February 2018 21:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

even though I only like half of 1965 I do always appreciate it when bands recognize they've gone as "big" as they can and no longer attempt to one-up themselves in terms of scale, instead choosing new angles to refine

Simon H., Monday, 5 February 2018 21:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

it isn't even possible to go bigger than 'faded' so yeah

mookieproof, Monday, 5 February 2018 21:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

even though I only like half of 1965 I do always appreciate it when bands recognize they've gone as "big" as they can and no longer attempt to one-up themselves in terms of scale, instead choosing new angles to refine

― Simon H., Monday, February 5, 2018 3:47 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah enough people seem to really like 1965 that i'm willing to think it's not the record it's me

i prefer In Spades tbh

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 February 2018 21:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

1965 is great and sometimes I think 66 is their very best song (there's a drum machine + live drums on it but that's the only place on the album I think)

ufo, Monday, 5 February 2018 22:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am not a huge fan of 1965
i basically only like the first three songs and even then, there is some seriously cheesy stuff in there
the "who's hot, who's not" bit was embarrassing imo
while enjoyable, it almost feels like self-parody, a parade of whigs-themed sex content (the giving/taking of rides, lover's lane, "little rabbit")

however, a friend of mine covered "somethin' hot" with her band and it made me literally giddy to hear a woman singing a whigs song (that isn't "my curse")

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 5 February 2018 22:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh man I would LOVE to hear an all-female Dulli tribute comp

Simon H., Monday, 5 February 2018 22:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'll work on that

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 5 February 2018 22:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

dulli's tropes expanding into self-parody is part of what i like about that album—it's the funniest whigs record

i also feel like everyone should love "omerta" but i won't push it lol

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 23:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's also kind of an inverse of the darkness and sadness on twilight

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 23:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

Omerta into The Vampire Lanois is a pretty great closer

ufo, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

I have them edited as a single track on my phone lol

Simon H., Monday, 5 February 2018 23:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Man, 1965 is great, too. Not as heavy, super songs.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 00:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Can I vote for the final three sons??? Shit, I'm prob gonna have to flip a coin between Faded and Summer's Kiss

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 13:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

*songs

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 13:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

... i think i'm gonna vote "bulletproof" and regret it immediately

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 03:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

btw not this album but "lost in the woods" is a top five whigs song for me easy

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 03:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

went with summer's kiss. love the tension/release--that tease of the chord progression in the beginning, then the build, and then "DID YOU FEEL THE BREEZE MY LOOOOOOOOVE"

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 03:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

you forgot GO

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 04:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 15 February 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

Has there ever been a rock band not helped by horns?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 February 2018 03:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is that the Mighty Mighty Bosstones? Not helped by those clothes, that's for sure. Regardless, pretty sure they would be worse without the horns.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

indeed, horns are the very essence of rock

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TP9_i41y_HE/hqdefault.jpg

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crST10hP-s

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 February 2018 13:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 16 February 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

‎✔

mookieproof, Friday, 16 February 2018 00:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Went w Faded at the last minute. Good results tho.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 February 2018 00:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

faded was my "haven't-heard-LP-for-5-years" pick - but got hold of the reissue on account of this thread and fuck it's all great

musically honky's ladder might be the purest distillation of the whigs sound? that song ATTACKS - but lyrically maaaaybe a bit too heavy on the michael mann schtick (it's a fine line with Dulli i know (i know i know))

umsworth (emsworth), Friday, 16 February 2018 00:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

Best Afghan Whigs cover would be a fun poll.
Kind of partial to Come See About Me.

campreverb, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

mr superlove

mookieproof, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Every song got a vote - that's great b/c it's a great album.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

Best Afghan Whigs cover would be a fun poll.

― campreverb, Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:02 PM (one hour ago)

Amphetamines & Coffee - Paul K & The Weathermen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2203GPIlhI

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 16 February 2018 05:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

their cover of "if there's hell below" slaaaaaaaaays

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 16 February 2018 05:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

also "superstition"
also, my favorite, "creep"

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 16 February 2018 05:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kPRWJah3Rc

this is one i keep coming back to

ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 05:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmIWkiTZ8qM

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

its none of those. its either of these...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6ixNnsGYdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5cY7YduMlU

jamiesummerz, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Come See About Me" with "Rot" and "My World Is Empty Without You" just behind.

Andy K, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Dark End of the Street" and "Beware" are up there, too.

Andy K, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

Just listened to "Beware" for the first time in 20+ years and it kinda sucks, actually.

Andy K, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Come See About Me is inspired for going so dark/minor. Creep I like because it's more or less contemporary, so there's no veneer of classic soul-music nostalgia/fetish.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

On my phone so can’t see the YouTube links as embeds, sonit may have been mentioned already but my “best Whigs cover” vote is, and always will be, for their version of “Can’t Get Enough of Your Love”. Particularly the video of them tearing through it at some MTV awards show.

michaellambert, Friday, 16 February 2018 13:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

they covered 'i'll be around' on their (original) last tour -- it is predictably great

mookieproof, Friday, 16 February 2018 14:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

"musically honky's ladder might be the purest distillation of the whigs sound? that song ATTACKS - but lyrically maaaaybe a bit too heavy on the michael mann schtick"
WTF is Honky's Ladder about?

akm, Friday, 16 February 2018 14:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

peeping what i got stuck between your eyes?
touching the light?
drugs?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 16 February 2018 14:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

I kind of like their super coked-out cover of 'Nighttime' though objectively it's terrrible

campreverb, Friday, 16 February 2018 16:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

💪 What’s the strongest run of three songs in a row on an album?

— BBC Radio 6 Music (@BBC6Music) February 26, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 16:35 (seven months ago) Permalink


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