the little middle eight break thing in Behold is one of the best things Billy ever wrote
― Simon H., Friday, 6 April 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
it was such a shock to hear this after mellon collie
i mean i know the end of mellon collie sets you up for it but still
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
whose #1? Good choice
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
yeah for real
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
"to sheila" was originally supposed to play behind the scene in cruel intentions soundtracked by counting crows "colorblind"
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
I always thought "autobahn" was kinda incongruous to the corgan lyrical universe
― Simon H., Friday, 6 April 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
excellent trivia brad
― Simon H., Friday, 6 April 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
Ah yes!!! I voted for Glynis and Blank Page! By Starlight another near miss; Brad otm about it being creeper
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
This is embarrassing but I hadn't heard Glynis before. It's amazing.
― jmm, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
Of all the "Corgan with acoustic guitar accompaniment" tracks, I'd say that 'To Sheila' was the first of these where Corgan hit the mark dead on. Not to take away from 'Soothe' or 'Stumbleine', but this is a far superior song. One of my favourites on Adore and a great and unobvious way to open the LP.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Gt8y4lf.jpg41. Luna208 points, 10 votesFrom: Siamese Dream, 1993
― ufo, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
I love the psychedelic guitar in the background of this, really beautiful tune and their best album closer.
― ufo, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
Wow. Way too low. My #2. One of the most sublime love songs I’ve ever heard, and some of Billy’s best & most effortless lyrics.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
“To shiela” was my #1I just woke up and can’t explain but that song has helped carry me through it all
― Karl Malone, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
awesome choice karl
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 6 April 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
Thanks! This poll rules so far, really enjoying the rollout
― Karl Malone, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
Yeah, not sure Billy's voice has ever sounded better than on To Sheila
― Fetchboy, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
Luna really is one of the best lyrics BC ever wrote. Really touching and a perfect delivery. Five years later and he was all about twisted mysticism like "twilight fades through blistered Avalon". What?
(both songs made my ballot ... obviously I love them for totally different reasons)
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/uab8wnM.jpg40. Bury Me214 points, 10 votesFrom: Gish, 1991
last one for now
― ufo, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
damn that's low, one of their very best codas
― Simon H., Friday, 6 April 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
it is, that loping outro riff is like the precursor to the end of Hummer
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
'Luna' too low, I've heard that song hundreds of times by now and it still moves me in the same way it did the first time. A beautiful song - whenever Corgan is coming across as a jackass for the zillionth time, it's tracks like 'Luna' that help me separate the art from the artists.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 6 April 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
*artist.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 6 April 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
otm. it's the perfect closer to that album. emotionally similar to porcelina. that bent A note that runs thru the song is so perfect, the music captures the feeling of falling in love and the naivete and innocence that comes with it.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
I think the outro on 'Bury Me' is used differently to the one on 'Hummer' ... 'Hummer's outro is a very distinct change in mood, almost like a different song entirely even if the transition is smooth, whereas 'Bury Me' doesn't feel like that.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 6 April 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
*lol C# sorry
gonna get in trouble in here discussing notes and CHORDS xp
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
xp yeah totally, bury me doesn't have that dynamic shift, the circular/swirling riffs always reminded me of each other though, where hummer is the more mature/developed take
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
xpost:
I completely agree. I found putting a ballot together for this far too impossible, but 'Luna' would have been a no-brainer to include.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 6 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
we should do a poll of songs written about Courtney Love. can't think of a single one that comes close to Luna
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
good luck with your westworld cover of heart shaped box thread
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 6 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
Bury Me and I Am One were the next *legit* Pumpkins songs to show up in sets after Rhinoceros. I was never a fan of the former but I've been coming around, just as I've really gotten sick of the latter
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 6 April 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
Siva too. that was the song that bridged the gap between the Cure cosplay of the late 80s material and what Gish would become.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
trouble with doing a "songs about Courtney Love" poll would be figuring out which ones were legit
― Simon H., Friday, 6 April 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
Siva seems more structurally ambitious though, all those rollercoaster dips into and out of quietness xp to flappy
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
there's at least a dozen songs about courtney by billy
lunasilverfuckfuck youlovebodieswhere boys fear to treadx.y.u.i of the mourning (second verse)soothehello kitty katblankrotten apples
xp - right, that's what i meant- according to BC it was the song that opened the floodgates for what the Pumpkins could be
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
fuck youlove
must be real fun to be romantically involved with billy corgan
― Karl Malone, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
where boys fear to tread is about trent reznor and how billy was jealous of him dating courtney in '95 lol
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
"Love is suicide" still perplexes me. Such a loaded phrase only a year after Cobain's death.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
courtney love also responsible for this l👀k
https://i.imgur.com/O5MSP8e.png
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
courtney love too learn truth behind billy's lyrics
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
1994
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― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
1997
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/02/68/b902684cb8f40e4b24a189f729b20a1a.jpg
Lol I've spent almost the entire morning listening to 1989 shows trying to pinpoint the exact nature of the break from the goth-pop mode that Rhinoceros represents
With Bury Me and I Am One, it's easier because of the Jane's Addiction influence; I used to think Bury Me came first because imo it bites Nothing's Shocking harder*, but Bury Me is a lot more sophisticated than I am One (which meh tbh East>>>> ) but Bury Me defines itself not in the cycling riff but in the breaks, most notably how the chords that lead tino 'that outro' basically reprise the "bury me in love" melody
I think I grew to like BM mostly just from trying to figure out how Billy made that outro work
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
courtney love conversation is mainly reminding me of how good all of the songs he’s written with her are
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
Speaking of Courtney Love, I saw the Pumpkins play in Biloxi, MS the day they found Kurt's body. He didn't mention it. Their openers Red Red Meat did. It always seemed weird to me. At the time I didn't know he and Courtney had ever had a thing. It was still weird that he didn't bring it up. It seemed like an important thing that was obviously on everyone's mind.
The show was incredible. "Starla" tore the roof off the place.
― brontosaur, Friday, 6 April 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
Wow you were there? I've listened to tapes of that show just to see if he said anything about Kurt. I still maintain that "Malibu" was the best song about Kurt written in the wake of the suicide. Pretty crazy that it was co-written (written?) by Billy Corgan, the guy whose rumored meeting with Courtney in London led to Kurt's Rome suicide attempt. Or do I have that wrong?...
― Sam Weller, Friday, 6 April 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
Man, "Glynis" only made 20% of ballots at all?
What's the weighting again for the song poll (i.e. #1 = 50 points, #2 = 48 points, #25 = 2 points)?
― Soundslike, Friday, 6 April 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
Speaking of Courtney Love, I saw the Pumpkins play in Biloxi, MS the day they found Kurt's body. He didn't mention it. Their openers Red Red Meat did. It always seemed weird to me. At the time I didn't know he and Courtney had ever had a thing. It was still weird that he didn't bring it up. It seemed like an important thing that was obviously on everyone's mind.The show was incredible. "Starla" tore the roof off the place.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 21:35 (six years ago) link
he wrote about that day & how he heard the news in his “confessions of billy corgan” livejournal circa 2005. here it is:
As is often the case after a show, we board the bus and hit the road, watching movies and eating bad food to pass the time…this drive is about 5+ hours, so the sun is just about to come up when the bus hisses to a stop…the damp breeze of the ocean rolls up onto me in my half-sleep, and I can spy the water just over the road, so I make a small mental note to come back around during the day and check out the beach…turning, I am a bit stunned to see that we are staying in some sort of motel nightmare, splashed down here on a whim in the 60’s as a heady mix of Jetson’s futurism mixed with hurricane reality…I ask no one in particular, “what the fuck is this place?”, but no one listens cause they have heard it all before and all they really want is a closed door with a bed behind it…my room stinks of mildew and is just big enough for that same sought after bed, but out goes the light, and I am fast asleep…The phone rings way too early, jarring me out of a sweet, humid sleep…the window is open and the sun pours in as the ocean air sweeps through the room…it looks like a beautiful day…”Did you hear the news? He’s gone and killed himself”…my first twilight thought is that it can’t be true, because even I have been reported dead two separate times in the last year (driving down the road, my father had recently heard a report that I was dead, so it must be a rumor or a bad joke)…the t.v. in the room is one of those standard pieces of shit where you need a remote to turn it on, cause they hardwire the front controls off so you can’t jack the channels around to get the movies for free…I flip on CNN with the sound off, figuring if there’s any truth to it that they would have it…there is nothing on at this moment except a general news report, so it must just be a mistake…then I start to think that maybe they won’t care at all and that this might not be the source for information…about 20 seconds in they flash his picture…the talking head is talking away, and my stomach drops about 1,000 feet…I mumble to whoever is on the line for a minute or so, but I don’t remember what I said…they remind me that they are very glad I am still here…I put down the phone, and all is really quiet now…his picture is still up on the screen, frozen…it is one of those rare moments in life where the entire world seems to be stopped, waiting for the next breath…my mind races around to “where is she? I hope she is alright”…I sit on the edge of the bed and just stare at the screen…I cannot believe my eyes, it is just all so sad…I don’t pray, but I do now…I pull myself down to the floor, my back pressed up against the bed, the t.v. screen just a foot away from my eyes…I say a prayer for his soul, thanking him for all the good he has done…I pray a lot for his child, who is now without a father…and I start to cry and I don’t stop until there are no more tears to cry…
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 April 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
Admission: I totally forgot about "Glynis"
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 6 April 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link