Backlash after Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" removed from Billboard Hot Country chart

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Is this a country song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ho88VXJTBg

Billboard thought it was... For one week.

Set against a cowboy-themed game, the music video for Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" uses language of the Wild Wild West with a hip hop spin. The genre-blending tune was a breakout hit five weeks ago when it debuted on three Billboard charts at the same time: the Hot 100, Hot R&B/Hip Hop Songs and Hot Country Songs.

But Billboard quietly removed the song from the country chart the following week, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan. It later issued a statement saying the song "does not embrace enough elements of today's country music to chart in its current version." Lil Nas X responded on Genius.com.

"I started to think about it, I was like, you know, why? After like listening to other songs that's actually on that chart, it's like, wait a minute, something's not right, basically," Lil Nas X said.

CBS News

Although Darius Rucker had many country hits, he came from the pop/rock realm, not the R&B/rap world. We quibble about genres all the time here, especially with regard to metal. But this is interesting in that Billboard is a trade publication with more clout than any other music publication around, definitely with regard to the business side of things. And of course there's the racial aspect which Billboard denies.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 12 April 2019 15:34 (two years ago) link

it got mentioned here:

Fusion of Country and Western/Hip-Hop...the wave of the future?

visiting, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:39 (two years ago) link

everyone wants to be a cowboy

Hunt3r, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:46 (two years ago) link

it samples a track from NIN's Ghosts, that's pretty cool for a #1 hit

frogbs, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:49 (two years ago) link

Posted this on the Non-US Rap thread earlier, because of the Dutch connection:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Friday, 12 April 2019 19:30 (two years ago) link

i've started hearing it on the radio. it's the kind of hit that the medium has been sorely needing for a long time -- all the quibbling about whether it fits in this or that category ironically seems to be helping disparate stations that don't ordinarily see a ton of overlap work together on it simultaneously. close enough to everyone, right? tonight i heard the version w/ billy ray cyrus on the rap station's nighttime mixshow hour.

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:27 (two years ago) link

at some point you had to figure it was definitely going to go big but i can't say i imagined it would be the enormous smash it seems to be on the verge of becoming

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:28 (two years ago) link

If this isn't in the next season of Westworld, I will eat my (cowboy) hat.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:53 (two years ago) link

instant classic

ogmor, Saturday, 13 April 2019 12:45 (two years ago) link

this song is stupid as hell lol

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (two years ago) link

not saying it’s bad necessarily

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (two years ago) link

it's obviously very stupid but it's also very good

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:51 (two years ago) link

otm

johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (two years ago) link

Ridin' on a tractor
Lean all in my bladder
Cheated on my baby
You can go and ask her
My life is a movie
Bull ridin' and boobies
Cowboy hat from Gucci
Wrangler on my booty

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:36 (two years ago) link

it's a very silly song, i do enjoy it tho

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:37 (two years ago) link

its annoying

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:39 (two years ago) link

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/keith-urban-covers-lil-nas-xs-old-town-road-822449/

Keith Urban covered Old Town Road--this version is gonna chart and people are gonna lose their minds.

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:44 (two years ago) link

Once again the white devil's stealing from the black man.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:58 (two years ago) link

I learned about this song from the pitchfork headline about “Billy Ray Cyrus lends his outlaw cred to Old Town Road” last week and my first reaction was like, admittedly I have not been closely following the oeuvre of mr. Ray Cyrus over these past years, but did I miss something re:him being considered to have ‘outlaw cred’?

One Eye Open, Monday, 15 April 2019 21:15 (two years ago) link

keith urban version isn't actually gonna chart lol

dyl, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 03:23 (two years ago) link

My life is a movie
Bullridin' and boobies

Around that time, I had just watched that ‘Dallas Buyers Club’ movie. I just had that scene with Matthew McConaughey in my mind, I was just thinking about his lifestyle. That’s what I did for that line.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:36 (two years ago) link

The banjo sound makes it all work.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:52 (two years ago) link

The creek boys remix of Old Town Road is so damn good https://youtu.be/5bXrnvt8KjU

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:11 (two years ago) link

is this the first #1 song where the artist bought the beat from the producer after hearing it on youtube?

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:09 (two years ago) link

nah, desiigner found panda on YT as well

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:15 (two years ago) link

how bout Rihanna and the Numa Numa song

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:17 (two years ago) link

lol good pt

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (two years ago) link

tbf numa numa was a standalone vid, that was before youtube was a colossal force

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (two years ago) link

yeah, and that was also a sample of the original song--desiigner and nas x literally purchased the backing track they heard on YT.

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:24 (two years ago) link

isn't the backing track just "Ghosts 34"? is it really that simple?

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:35 (two years ago) link

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:37 (two years ago) link

I think I like this. Is it ok to like this?

brimstead, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:37 (two years ago) link

its not ok to like anything you fool

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:38 (two years ago) link

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

as posted upthread:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:46 (two years ago) link

Wonder if Goldenvoice will bring this guy/song out at Stagecoach this weekend.

DT, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:10 (two years ago) link

i sing the cupcakke remix to myself all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90aQaAfXeGs

flopson, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:42 (two years ago) link

the creek boyz remix is def worth hearing too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bXrnvt8KjU

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:50 (two years ago) link

this song is good i dont like any of these covers though

ciderpress, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:22 (two years ago) link

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

... (Eazy), Friday, 26 April 2019 00:38 (two years ago) link

c'mon the cupcakke remix is great

flopson, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:42 (two years ago) link

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

― ... (Eazy), Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:38 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, "non-commercial" in that it wasn't an album with hits, but it did establish those two as like THE voice of modern ambient and they've been recruited for movie soundtrack projects that I would guess pay exponentially more than publishing on a streaming hit

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 01:09 (two years ago) link

lol the opening lines of the cupcakke remix are classic

dyl, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:32 (two years ago) link

Whatever happened to the Young Thug remix?

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:34 (two years ago) link

I'm obsessed with this choreography

https://www.facebook.com/PorschaColemanOfficial/videos/10156130072335770/

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 April 2019 18:44 (two years ago) link

That is fuckin rad

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 April 2019 04:34 (two years ago) link

IF OLD TOWN ROAD WAS A UK DRILL SONG pic.twitter.com/tCzqnp8Bp9

— TMC Tré (@iamTresor) May 2, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:07 (two years ago) link

i love it

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

Missing one cameo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUUytUkMGO0

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link

Much of the contemporary pop country that I've heard seems to only be country on the basis of having been marketed as country and doesn't actually sound a goddamn thing like country to my ears so it seems like if we start challenging the designation a whole lotta 'country' folks could be unhappy about what side of the divide they'll ultimately wind up on.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:32 (one year ago) link

i think one of the reasons why this song is a grower is it tells a complicated story about sexual evolution. nothing is really pat about it. trying to think of pop stars who told that story and only george michael comes to mind.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:11 (one month ago) link

the melody lines of the thing could be construed as bland but i think they work here as counterpoint to the song's subject matter. like, i recognize that kind of generic masculine intonation that bespeaks some complicated feelings about gender and sexual pleasure.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:15 (one month ago) link

I personally don't see or hear anything that suggests he'll be able to build a long career off the success of his signature song. He certainly has enough cash to try tho.

billstevejim, Monday, 29 March 2021 15:23 (one month ago) link

god you people are grim. lol i'm outta here.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:24 (one month ago) link

I mean I'm not suggesting that would be a bad thing. I wish there were more Old Town Roads these days.

billstevejim, Monday, 29 March 2021 15:26 (one month ago) link

He probably has a future as a tv host or something

You could easily fill a Hollywood Squares grid with nothing but these living-meme sort of pop musicians.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:34 (one month ago) link

This video is great although the CGI movement is scaring me.

billstevejim, Monday, 29 March 2021 15:35 (one month ago) link

I watched the video yesterday and remember literally nothing about the song, but lap-dancing the devil is fucking brilliant. And the whole shoe thing he's got going on right now is kind of funny too.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:36 (one month ago) link

i’m sampling this https://t.co/H2mlZs9YkW

— nope 🏹 (@LilNasX) March 28, 2021

This guy rules. I sincerely hope Lil Nas X is responsible for bringing back the satanic panic.

billstevejim, Monday, 29 March 2021 15:42 (one month ago) link

I like him more than his songs.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Old Town Road still great tho

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 March 2021 17:25 (one month ago) link

it isn't, though

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 29 March 2021 17:35 (one month ago) link

This video is great although the CGI movement is scaring me.

yea it's kind of nauseating in the way some of the more graphic Tim & Eric videos are

still "if all gay people are going to hell you might as well try to fuck the devil" is a pretty great concept, I must admit

one striking thing about the reaction to this is just how many people believe the devil is like, an actual physical entity

frogbs, Monday, 29 March 2021 17:39 (one month ago) link

the full-length version is now streamable as "satan's extended version" lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIlz3g3DgCU

dyl, Monday, 29 March 2021 17:53 (one month ago) link

satan's uncut version too iirc

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 29 March 2021 18:07 (one month ago) link

I interviewed Lil Nas X about "Montero," the twigs connection and his own journey with Christianity: "I want kids [who know] they’re a part of the LGBTQ community to feel like they’re O.K. and that they don’t have to hate themselves” https://t.co/MFvLTzua61

— Andrew Chow (@andrewrchow) March 29, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 March 2021 19:51 (one month ago) link

The Logitech ads that have been running since the Super Bowl (emphasizing him as a creative figure etc.) seem brilliantly timed now.

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 05:22 (one month ago) link

Ok he pretty much guaranteed himself a lawsuit with the shoe though that’s kinda dumb

frogbs, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:13 (one month ago) link

Legal fees vs exposure seems pretty worth it imo. Shoes sold for about 700k so that offsets the marketing that’s likely to go on for months if Nike sues.

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:17 (one month ago) link

Nike is suing the shoe designer.

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:23 (one month ago) link

Nike is suing the shoe designer.

On what grounds? He bought the sneakers and customized them, and is now reselling them. Right? So what's the problem?

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:25 (one month ago) link

On the grounds that the shoes are likely to confuse consumers and dilute Nike's trademarks. "In fact, there is already evidence of significant confusion and delusion occurring in the marketplace, including calls to boycott Nike in response to the launch of MSCHF's Satan Shoes based on the mistaken belief that Nike has authorized or approved this product," Nike says.

(They also claim safety concerns - ""According to media reports, the red ink and drop of literal human blood is incorporated into the sole of each shoe (...) Making changes to the midsole may pose safety risks for consumers.")

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:31 (one month ago) link

Gonna sue Disney bcz KISS put their blood in that Marvel comic seven ownerships ago.

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:36 (one month ago) link

(fwiw, Nike didn't misspell "dilution" as "delusion" in the actual complaint – I just checked – somehow the legal news service introduced that typo.)

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:43 (one month ago) link

brb gonna go make some careful changes to my midsole

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 09:54 (one month ago) link

If that designer did it to one pair of shoes, Nike has no case. Since he did it to 600 pairs, we'll see . . .

the last unvaccinated motherfucker on earth (PBKR), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 12:39 (one month ago) link

Lil Nas X is the best at twitter and he's really calling attention to the fact that the world is currently in the middle of huge moral panic (qanon, etc) and has been for quite some time now.

He's not bringing the Satantic Panic back because spoiler, it's been here the whole time.

https://bogleech.tumblr.com/post/625261181150609408/parts-of-the-internet-are-completely-freaking-out

This is Trump's hydroxychloroquine doctor!

Anyway I am love him, not only does he know how to make the statement but he knows how to defend himself from the relentlessness of the conservative backlash, publicly, on twitter, where his fans can see him doing it and draw some strength to make their own controversial art.

hurricane weather (forapper), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:45 (one month ago) link

Looks like he handled this well (and/or was in a position to receive the benefit of the doubt):

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-03-31/lil-nas-x-praises-fka-twigs-after-montero-video-accused-of-copying-her-ideas

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Thursday, 1 April 2021 03:06 (one month ago) link

i do wish he was as good at music as he is at social media

ufo, Thursday, 1 April 2021 03:23 (one month ago) link

How to live

me after getting a song about gay sex to the top of the billboard charts pic.twitter.com/UJK5HpDCOA

— nope 🏹 (@LilNasX) April 5, 2021



i hope my haters are sad. i hope they are crying. i want your tears to fill my grammy cup. 🏹🤍

— nope 🏹 (@LilNasX) April 5, 2021



all jokes aside, we get to control our own destiny, never let the world decide it for you. no matter how dark it may look keep fucking going!

— nope 🏹 (@LilNasX) April 6, 2021

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 04:50 (one month ago) link

hard not to root for him

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 05:14 (one month ago) link

true, but then I listen to his music

then I'm like "find your audience, young man, for it is not me" and do a deep, formal bow

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:22 (one month ago) link

hard pic.twitter.com/Wx8LLKFJwH

— nope 🏹 (@LilNasX) April 3, 2021

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:22 (one month ago) link

much improved imo

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:22 (one month ago) link

lmao

international fans thinking “lil” is my first name is favorite thing ever lmao https://t.co/5azuXaBSW6

— nope 🏹 (@LilNasX) April 9, 2021

frogbs, Friday, 9 April 2021 03:34 (one month ago) link

Lillian Nas X
Lillian Yachty
Lillian Uzi Vert
Lillian Wayne

peace, man, Friday, 9 April 2021 08:18 (one month ago) link

Lilian Kleine
Lilian Marijnissen
Lilianne Ploumen

(sorry, one for the Dutchies)

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 9 April 2021 10:07 (one month ago) link

I salute Lil Nas X for having the number one song in the UK when Prince Philip died, therefore meaning it is now the new national anthem.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:16 (one month ago) link

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9555748/lil-nas-x-montero-not-removed-streaming-services

What was this about?

treeship., Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:45 (four weeks ago) link

Either way the song is super catchy. I get that little hum he does before the hook stuck in my head all the time.

treeship., Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:47 (four weeks ago) link

Lol my kids believed him.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 16 April 2021 06:34 (three weeks ago) link

the stupid logitech commercial with this song makes me not want to listen to the full track

eisimpleir (crüt), Friday, 16 April 2021 06:37 (three weeks ago) link

uhhh Lil Nas X dropped an a capella version of Montero (Call Me By Your Name) with a video consisting entirely of even more amazing looks and makeup moments?https://t.co/j8L4vPE5Wu

— Alexander (@purplechrain) April 24, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 April 2021 16:40 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQrCD-g8oHc

xzanfar, Friday, 30 April 2021 19:48 (one week ago) link

Raf Naz X

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 30 April 2021 19:54 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85G5SI5Nu3s

xzanfar, Friday, 30 April 2021 19:59 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a46FDCGluv0

xzanfar, Friday, 30 April 2021 20:05 (one week ago) link


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