TS: Buxtehude: Chaconne in C Minor BuxWV 159 / Bach: Passacaglia in C Minor BWV 582

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Dietrich Buxtehude (c. 1690)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46zV2KOe2BQ

Johann Sebastian Bach (c. 1710)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie52xH8V2L4

You can hear Buxtehude's influence on Bach here. These are two organ pieces in C minor, built off slow ostinato basslines in triple meter. But which is more sublime? Listen carefully!

Poll Results

OptionVotes
D. Buxtehude: Chaconne in C Minor BuxWV 159 7
J.S. Bach: Passacaglia in C Minor BWV 582 3


Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:02 (three months ago) link

i prefer the buxtehude. huge parts of the bach sound a little like one of the organ pieces played in a church when the service is over and the flock is supposed to leave (a bouncer?). i also find that it lasts too long. the buxtehude sounds more ancient, more middle age, more spiritual.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 17 August 2019 13:57 (three months ago) link

i voted buxtehude as well, bach you're a genius but maybe tighten up your passacaglia for us plebes

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:23 (three months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 00:01 (two months ago) link

Obviously Bach is fucking Bach; the undergirding of his piece is undeniably more complex whereas Buxtehude's mostly hinges on the standard i-V. Bach's piece sweeps a broader spectrum of emotion, from brooding to ecstatic. Buxtehude's is like a light shining down from heaven all the way through. I'm leaning towards Buxtehude.

Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 03:08 (two months ago) link

they are both great, I love the Buxtehude but the Bach is so majestic

Dan S, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 03:18 (two months ago) link

This was obviously Bach for me. Crüt gets at some of the reasons why.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 03:32 (two months ago) link

the reverb in the Buxtehude recording makes it really attractive but the Bach is still more compelling to me

Dan S, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 03:40 (two months ago) link

Are we comparing recordings or compositions? (My answer is Bach either way.)

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:18 (two months ago) link

Compositions, to be clear.

It was tricky to find 2 videos with a similar format and also where the organs aren’t tuned that dramatically differently.

Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:47 (two months ago) link

Both are großartig but I'm partial to the Chaconne's relative stillness.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:31 (two months ago) link

when english native speakers use the word großartig it is not the same as when german native speakers use it. i think in the former case it is even more magnificent.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:07 (two months ago) link

actually many people in germany - including myself - use the word großartig mainly in an ironic way. to say that something is rubbish and not great at all.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:14 (two months ago) link

Interesting. Is it a generational thing?

pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:19 (two months ago) link

i don't know. maybe. it could be that german history has to do with it. after the 3rd reich which defined itself as großartig the word has just totally lost its original meaning. the nazis discredited it. which in the end i don't find so bad.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:28 (two months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 29 August 2019 00:01 (two months ago) link

>where the organs aren’t tuned that dramatically differently.

ha, but if you used meantone for Buxtehude, the sheer drilling force of it would have tipped the vote that way

highest recommendation: https://www.amazon.com/Dieterich-Buxtehude-Mean-Tone-Organ-1/dp/B000NA1YYS

Milton Parker, Thursday, 29 August 2019 00:40 (two months ago) link

that looks interesting

Dan S, Thursday, 29 August 2019 01:05 (two months ago) link


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