Which currently relevant musicians under 40 are most likely to develop toxic right-wing politics in their middle-to-old age?

Just thinking about what happened to Morrissey, Mo Tucker, etc., wondering if there are warning signs that can be seen in advance.

The Lana Del Rey - Grimes - Doja Cat trifecta, which I've just made up.

I don't know that I have enough to base this on, but Bieber always strikes me as being two bad album cycles away from that already.

nothing happened to Morrissey he was always racist

I thought the opening post would be about Novoselic

'under 40'

'currently relevant'

yeah but I mean as an example of what might happen

Novoselic is what inspired the post but it's not totally clear to me whether his current politics are toxically right-wing or weirdo-libertarian, maybe the distinction doesn't matter but making extremely fine genre distinctions is what ILM is all about

Ah, nm.

Lumping anyone who isn't a committed tankie together as evil right-wing scum is what ILX is all about though ;)

I jest! I jest! There are many forms of selfish reactionary wanker

Time flies:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/krist-novoselic-nickelback-donald-trump-894792/

60-65% of current metal artists.

Generous of you to assume they're 'currently relevant'.

no musicians are relevant any more

FUCK COMPOSE
FUCK MELODY

lol at labeling the entire landscape of current metal as irrelevant

Tbh I haven't personally known anyone irl who gives a shit about metal in decades.

you are a bit of a shut-in tbf

new board description

yaaaaaow jesus i think i drank too much coffee today

answer is obviously Post Malone

Ouch.

xps

<3

:(

I think it's more that my definition of relevance is less rockist than yours.

no it isn't

Ok.

do rockists think metal is relevant?

to answer that we need to work out what rockism even is in 2020

I said *less* rockist.

Never mind, I can't read today.

ariel pink and john maus always seemed this way to me, and lo they have both contributed original music to a new, sympathetic documentary on incels

in terms of warning signs idk just being a self-absorbed dick?

(but also ... i feel like in the US, there's this fucked up thing where we actually have created an individualist hobbesian nightmare world, and so it becomes harder to criticize certain people for being successful in this world on its own terms, when the alternative is oppression at best. i am subtweeting the recent TI/killer mike/virgil abloh thing as well as young thug's somewhat conservative stances recently, as well as kanye i guess)

i have a friend who is quite like ariel pink, he is a prolific musician and has schizophrenia. He is generally a good guy, but he has a certain misogynistic streak (which is bound up with a fetishization of the 1960s) and is easily pulled into conspiracy stuff, and I always wish he wouldn't.

i remember hearing some shit about Maus and Pink a few years ago.

We Must Become The Pitiless Cancellers Of Ourselves

Ariel Pink is 42 btw

And Maus is 40

emotionally tho ?

eli keszler maybe ;) iykyk

Pink is a total piece of shit

Ariel that is, Pink seems cool

A.Pink was only 36 when he called himself "Rush Limbaugh Pink" so well on his way I see

0pn’s last show / effort where all the interviews were about how’s he’s an art ceo giving his investors returns might predict a shitty turn

^^^^this is the kind of contribution this thread needs

vince staples was saying some really weird shit about art and artists as well

otoh this feels like a bit of a witch-hunt and there's no actual evidence about either of them being right-wing so...guess this is just a bit of fun so let's be cool eh lol

on that axl rose kick

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xpost yeah plenty of art and human effort i fux with was made by right wingers (ian curtis, borges, nietszche) but i think maybe what this is getting at is the artist-exceptionalist paradigm leading to reactionary politics?

Bieber is way past the threshold. His mom is an anti-reproductive freedom nutter and he's a member of a megachurch cult

Nietzsche was a right-winger? Seems a little facile, unless you buy wholesale into the myth his nazi sister built.

Country music to thread

But what Country musicians are going to develop toxic right wing politics in their middle-to-old age that don't already have them?

not to derail but while many of nietszche's insights can indeed be valuable for emancipatory politics, he himself was a bit of a reactionary. i mean his first book was all about how the weak, supine west has lost its way and needs to be more like the violent, manly ancients, and the stuff about slave morality in genealogy takes quite a bit of twisting to get anything resembling a left-wing perspective out of it

again i think what this thread is really getting at is that there is an expectation for musicians/artists to be leftwing, and so when one expresses right wing politics, it look intersting

Bieber is way past the threshold. His mom is an anti-reproductive freedom nutter and he's a member of a megachurch cult

I thought she liked everyone!

Not sure how relevant, but apparently the drummer from System Of A Down

https://loudwire.com/john-dolmayan-president-trump-greatest-friend-minorities/

I love arguing that Nietzsche wasn't right-wing but I'm not gonna do it on this thread.

I know a right-wing guy who surprised me as a fan of System of a Down back in their heyday. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.