Henry Rollins/Black Flag

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gonna see him do his spoken word thing tomorrow though most of his worldview doesn't correspond with mine - haven't listened to his stuff since '92 tour - your thoughts on his work, BF stuff, etc - s+d,CorD, whatever

, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I was watching Comedy Central one night and they had their stand-up show on. We're watching it and the guy is completely unfunny, the worst jokes since, like, ever. Then my friend says to me, "He looks familiar." So I put on my glasses, since we were in bed in the hotel and I had taken off my glasses to go to sleep.

"Fuck, that's Henry Rollins!" I say.

And it was. He was doing the world's most unfunny stand-up on Comedy Central. After I realized who it was, though, it became the most hilarious thing I had ever seen - I mean, why is Henry Rollins doing stand-up? Why does he do poetry readings? He's like the naughty librarian in bad films, he puts on his glasses and he goes on stage and chats and acts normal, then he takes them off and stomps around and screams like the Incredible Hulk.

I really like the song Liar and I don't know why. I remember the Rollins Band performing it on the Grammys, and me and my dad watching it. He watched it in utmost fascination, and when it was done, said, "Hmm. That was interesting". Which is the most diverse musical comment I've ever gotten out of my dad regarding a post-1977 band ever, so I was impressed. I think I like him much better in theory than I do in reality.

Oh, and he's the only person I've ever met who frightened me. Not that he wasn't a nice enough seeming guy, but he was enormous and I met him in a gym for christ's sake - "Oh, there's Henry Rollins, doing bench presses, let's go talk to him!" Uh, let's not. His neck is like twice the size of his head.

Ally, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

DAMAGED by Black Flag is utterly magnificent. Henry doesn't claim to do stand-up....he calls it "spoken word" or "talking shows." Why someone chose to air it on Comedy Central is their own judgment at work, not Henry's. I doubt he'd lump himself in as a "stand-up comic."

alex in nyc, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

It was a special produced by Henry himself, featuring him in a comedy club, with a laughing audience (granted, they might've been laughing for the same reason I was) - if he didn't mean it as some sort of stand up comedy, he had an odd way of going about presenting it.

Ally, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Some of his spoken word is very funny. Some of it is deliberately serious.

Josh, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I recall when HEnry Rollins dissed Sting saying " I pity Sting. " At the time I was annoyed, but now I tend to agree

Mike Hanley, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i am eternally grateful for every second of my life that passes without exposure to henry rollins, henrys rollins music, henry rollins talks, henry rollins books, henry rollins stand up and henry rollins permafrown.

henry, you are the uber-dud...

gareth, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like some Black Flag, but I just find Henry Rollins so camp.

His ethos is so ultra-macho that it goes over the top and becomes silly and cartoonish. He's sort of like the butch version of Axl Rose with less interesting songs. His songs are okay, but they all take themselves so seriously that I simply can't. I like a little bit of his spoken word stuff and his publishing company has put out some good books, but for the life of me I cannot take him seriously.

Nicole, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

He's the Morrissey who works out.

Venga, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

nice one Henry, though nothing as funny as the incident at the damon + naomi gig between the most exciting band in britain and the ex- punka sibs - ask E

geordie racer, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I find Henry to be quite the hypocrite (what else do you call going on The Tonight Show to promote yourself, and saying during that appearance, "There is nothing I could do to make me want to sell out."? Esp. after ads for The Gap?) but some of his stand-up...er, spoken word stuff is funny as Hell, if you hear it in the right forum. It's less Seinfeld-type standup and more Lenny Bruce--though very, VERY diluted. The track "Blueprints for the Destruction of the Earth" is a laff-riot, however.

His music, however, is turgid, overbearing, and not what I want to listen to. At all.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

is he a better poet than jewel? he's a great actor, that car chase movie with charlie sheen was classic and he clearly outshined the red hot chili peppers.

he's like a comic book superhero. his veins are silly.

keith, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

he goes on about loving james brown then lays down the most one- dimensional unphunky sabbathclone bollux, the spoken word stuff was mostly funny the other night but as a musical force - DUDUDUDUD

geordie racer, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Think Tank and The Boxed Life spoken word CD's make me laugh my ass off. I am no Rollins Band fan, but Black Flag with and without Rollins was great. Whether he's a hypocrite or sellout or not currently, back in the day he wasn't. I Read Get In the Van about touring with Black Flag in the 70's, and I have respect for the guy.

Dave, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc

chaki, Sunday, 24 February 2008 00:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

his people skills have gotten better i think

latebloomer, Sunday, 24 February 2008 00:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

love the stevenson belch at the end lol

latebloomer, Sunday, 24 February 2008 00:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

That poor guy probably still has nightmares about that night.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 24 February 2008 00:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

his people skills have gotten better i think
-- latebloomer, Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:12 PM (3 hours ago)

One would fucking hope.

I've not previously had much wrong with Rollins' and his schtick, Damaged was the first hardcore album I ever bought, and it's still second-best. I've never gotten on his case for much, not for the self-important spoken word crap, nor his self-contradicting coffee-generation anti-drug shit, but seeing that clip makes me think maybe he's just a fucking asshole after all.

the other thing that occurs to me is that while I don't have much issue with the Minutemen, most of the other bands from the SST roster that Henry recites just weren't very good, and the poor kid's apathy and ignorance of them was entirely justified

SecondBassman, Sunday, 24 February 2008 03:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

Keep in mind, though, that Henry was just about 22 or 23 there, and the lead singer of a pretty dogmatic punk band. I'd be disappointed if wasn't acting like an asshole.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 24 February 2008 04:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

Alright, but gets me thinking of this article I dug out a few years ago, some guy for the LA Times had interviewed Flag when they first burtst out and the LAPD was busting heads all over town at HC gigs.

Guy had contrasted American punk (read LA Hardcore) with English punk, talked about how the Flag and the Jerks were well spoken and polite, whereas the Clash and the Pistols were know for being as rude as they possibly could.

A nice dialectic, but I guess a false one, at least seeing Rollins there.

SecondBassman, Sunday, 24 February 2008 04:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

that kid's from dearborn!!! I wonder what happened to him. He mustve gone to some of those early negative approach shows.

I actually dont mind if rollins wants to be an asshole like he is in this interview, if that's what his hardkore persona was all about and the fans demanded on some level. Its this new smug "I can stand on stage and do horrible smug, obvious stand up comedy and then call it "spoken word" so its unassailable" thing that pisses me off.

but from the looks of his ebay buys and what he plays on his radio show he's got an awesome taste in music

filthy dylan, Sunday, 24 February 2008 17:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1_E34CTcY7k

Jack Burton, Sunday, 24 February 2008 21:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think Rollins has chilled out a lot. I wouldn't know personally, but the things I've read/hear seem to indicate that he's a pretty polite and nice dude these days.

circa1916, Sunday, 24 February 2008 23:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

I've interviewed him four or five times. He's extremely polite, nice, and a music geek like nobody you've ever talked to in your goddamn life. At the end of our last conversation, he spent like a half hour asking me about early '70s Miles.

unperson, Sunday, 24 February 2008 23:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

This made me laugh a lot.

unperson, Thursday, 10 April 2008 18:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

nice

am0n, Thursday, 10 April 2008 18:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

That's awesome.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 April 2008 19:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Classic

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 19:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

sweet how ginn ends end right where he started, hair-wise

sexyDancer, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

A+++

latebloomer, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

bookmarked thread

mkcaine, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Spot looks great.

ian, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

Spot and Pettibon still look exactly like they did 30+ yrs ago!

Mike Dixn, Friday, 11 April 2008 13:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

These were posted on a thread i made on another board so may as well post them here
http://www.brianwalsby.com/comics/blackflagandme.jpg

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

unaccustomed as i am to self-promotion, and hoping this doesn't break ilx rules at all, can i slip a tiny plug in here for my Black Flag biography, Spray Paint The Walls, about to be released by Omnibus? you can read an extract at the Quietus here - http://thequietus.com/articles/03049-an-extract-from-stevie-chick-s-spray-paint-the-walls-the-story-of-black-flag - if yr interested...

like moses, the townfolk like the red sea (stevie), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 11:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

nice, stevie! i would read this book.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 12:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanks scott!

like moses, the townfolk like the red sea (stevie), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 13:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hehe very cool to see this come to fruition after all the legwork you put in to getting the interviews!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 13:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

i know, it feels like YEARS since we visited you in the OC...

like moses, the townfolk like the red sea (stevie), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 13:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Time to come back!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

nice, stevie! i would read this book.

― scott seward, Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:16 AM

luol deng (am0n), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

looking forward to this!

I don't think there's any band that's more entertaining to read about than black flag

the flag stuff from that rollins biog is a hoot

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol, I grew up in Manhattan Beach, so this was great to read. I was about 6 months old when this concert took place, so I missed it sadly. This was a legendary story, though. Both Morris and Ginn went to my high school (as did most of the Descendants, I believe). I think there's like a great unwritten screenplay about late 70s punk/beach town culture clashes. Maybe I need to write it. Anyway -- I will read this book! Black Flag is totally fun to read about.

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 23:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol polliwog park

nice email (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 23:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

they used to have this amazing play structure called "The Sunken Galleon" there. oh man, it was so dangerous. can't believe I didn't die on that thing.

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 23:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

stevie i am going to buy and read yr book, exciting!

tyler have you read "enter naomi" by joe carducci? there's some good stuff in there in the vein of what you're talking about

my gangsta ain't NEVER been on trial (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 23:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

there is stuff about the sunken galleon in Carducci's book?! kidding -- i haven't read it but I should. i talked to Ginn once for my high school newspaper ... it didn't go very well!

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 23:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Reality 86'd" A film by David Markey

http://vimeo.com/23499919

"Reality 86'd" A film by David Markey (c) 1991 We Got Power Films. (TRT 01:01:51) A road documentary shot from the inside of the last Black Flag tour ever (the 1986 "In My Head" US tour.) Greg Ginn along with Henry Rollins, Cel Revulta, and Anthony Martinez comprise the final line up of the band. Featuring behind the scenes proceedings and live performances from Black Flag, Painted Willie, and Gone (Ginn's side project, then featuring Sim Cain and Andrew Weiss (later of the Rollins Band) . Filmmaker / musician David Markey was along for the entire trip as the drummer / singer for Painted Willie (with Phil Newman & Vic Makauskas), documenting the six month tour as it happened. Also features roadie Joe ("Planet Joe") Cole, soundmen Davo Claasen and Dave "Ratman" Levine, and the tour manager who kept it all together, Mitch Bury. A crucial turning point in American underground rock. The end of the line for a trail blazing American band.

am0n, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

bump

am0n, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

awesome! thanks for posting.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

thanks man

how long before it gets yanked or does ginn not care anymore

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

not sure ginn knows about the internet

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

his army of cat soldiers will inform him

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol painted willie is the worst band

i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

they perfect that vibe of when you are in a band and you start dicking around jamming some riff just for kicks but you'd never actually like play like that for real people

i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

and then they put out records and went on tour

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

at least they didn't waste a good band name on it

some dude, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

painted willie is the source of a weird in-joke with some of my high school friends. whenever we'd be in van nuys (which was strangely often) we'd shout "LIVE FROM VAN NUYS!" i'm not even sure how we knew this phrase, i've never heard the ep. but it was def a reference to it.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

true story about painted willie.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

I almost bought that record so many times and now I'm real curious about what it sounds like

maybe age has transformed it into some unheralded classic

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you need some background.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i must've just seen it in record stores a lot in the early 90s, and thought that "Live From Van Nuys" was a great name for a record. kind of doubt it's a classic but ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h5xuNVuVE

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

was just about to post that!

man ppl were really jamming out to painted willie

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

guy wearing his own band's shirt NAGL

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe if like you'd never heard...like...any hard rock band ever or something they would be good?

i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol, yeah, maybe not an unheralded classic. something impressively unspectacular about them though. like kind of archetypal mid-80s socal garage band.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe after you've heard every hard rock band ever, and your great all-knowing mind tires, maybe that's when you turn to painted willie

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

we should do a poll for worst second wave SST band, DC3, painted willie, tom troccoli's dog, october faction, etc

painted willie might win and that would be something

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe ginn made them keep all the weed in the painted willie van?

i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Painted Willie then embarked on a six-month national tour opening for Gone and Black Flag in 1986, which would be Black Flag's last tour. The band recorded and released the Live from Van Nuys EP during that tour live EP during the tour titled simply Live From Van Nuys. Dave filmed eight years of footage for an eventual documentary of the tour that would be called Reality 86'd but Ginn didn't want it to be released. Black Flag singer Henry Rollins tried to have it released in 1994 through a distribution deal he struck with Time Warner but Ginn still refused.[3][5]

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

8 years of footage! I had no idea 1986 lasted that long

the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

ginn's weed made things seem crazy long back then.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's a good band name: Ginn's Weed

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't overlook how terrible gone sounds in that video, made my ears pinch my nose and say "p.u."

am0n, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nnxeaxhfJ5w/TYfh1RO66eI/AAAAAAAAFTI/5yjZJJzNGgM/s400/no-age.jpg
downloaded this a month or so ago thinking it'd be so rad, but it is kind of terrible! see for yourself: http://luckypsychichut.blogspot.com/2011/03/no-age-compilation-of-sst-instrumental.html

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

"this is awful. you've got to try it"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

totally shitty. yr gonna love it.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

the food is terrible, and such small portions

i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Food Is Terrible, and Such Small Portions: The Best of Painted Willie

tylerw, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

This milk's gone sour, smell it.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

wnkiw these people/bands

(lol @ the punk rock drum circle though)

adult music person (Jordan), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorry, ""Reality 86'd" A film by David Markey" was deleted at 1:49:29 Mon May 23, 2011. Vimeo has removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Greg Ginn claiming that this material is infringing: "Reality 86'd" A film by David Markey. We have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere.

am0n, Monday, 23 May 2011 20:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

how long before it gets yanked or does ginn not care anymore

― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:49 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

2 weeks apparently

oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Monday, 23 May 2011 20:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I just read an interview with markey, like, last week about this, c/r where it was

oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Monday, 23 May 2011 20:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

that ibanez he played during that period sounded horrible

am0n, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 17:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere, nothing came up on search.

Black Face - Dukowski teams up with Eugene Robinson to play some unreleased Chuck-written BF material and choice Flag tunes, Ginn nearly involved at one point, I'm excited!

http://www.viceland.com/music/2011/08/chuck-dukowski-from-black-flag-has-a-new-band-with-eugene-robinson/

solfege made me schizophrenic (MaresNest), Friday, 5 August 2011 10:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Eugene posted this on the Supersonic FB page yesterday. I'm hoping there's a reason why.

50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Saturday, 6 August 2011 14:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

So Kira won an oscar for sound mixing Mad Max last night. I had no idea:

http://www.stereogum.com/1862449/former-black-flag-bassist-wins-an-oscar-for-mad-max-fury-road/news/?utm_source=sc-fb&utm_medium=ref&utm_campaign

Darin, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:02 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/hcjnZrV.jpg

calstars, Friday, 8 April 2016 22:52 (two years ago) Permalink

I just saw that picture being used in an ad for Vans shoes the other day. Maybe this is also part of that campaign.

JRN, Friday, 8 April 2016 23:02 (two years ago) Permalink

of course it is

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 April 2016 23:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Just performing my dirty duty as a consumer

calstars, Friday, 8 April 2016 23:42 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

anyway reason i was searching for rollins is bc i was wondering if anyone has more info on this

According to Rolling Stone magazine, after Cole's death, hundreds of hours of interviews Cole had taped with "flamboyant street characters" in Venice Beach were edited into an hour of "primo footage" that the magazine described as "an unflinching look at the American dream gone amok."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joe_Cole

rly interested in listening to those interviews by joe cole but cldnt find anything on the web

infinity (∞), Saturday, 30 December 2017 20:06 (nine months ago) Permalink

search 'god's movie'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGxVfh9lag

how's life, Saturday, 30 December 2017 22:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

from the vid description

A few segments from Joe Cole's "God's Movie", an unfinished documentary series documenting the street people of Venice Beach. This was shot in 1990 by Joe and myself, and I help out with the some of the interviews. This was originally released in a longer form as "God's Movie Volume 1" on VHS by Henry Rollins' 2-13-61, and has been long out of print. I am more than glad to share a few moments of this work with you here. Joe was shot and killed in a robbery a little more than a year after this. I miss him to this day and it is great to hear his voice here. If you like this I suggest searching for "How Much Longer" posted on Google Video, a video documentary I did with Joe all about the Desert Storm Victory Parade in Hollywood, 1991.

how's life, Saturday, 30 December 2017 22:15 (nine months ago) Permalink


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