polls bloody polls: sepultura albums poll (1985-1996)

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really difficult poll i felt like making

Poll Results

OptionVotes
beneath the remains 11
chaos a.d. 11
arise 8
roots 4
morbid visions 0
schizophrenia 0


mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:57 (one month ago) link

Chaos AD is the one for me

paolo, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:48 (one month ago) link

me too i think

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:48 (one month ago) link

My gut says toss-up between Beneath the Remains and Arise, but since we got a month, I'll try to revisit all these before voting.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:51 (one month ago) link

I like Arise and Roots, but I *love* Chaos A.D. It helps that I saw them live on that tour. They were amazing back then. I used to work in an auto parts store where we had WSOU (local college metal station) on all day and they played "Territory," "Nomad" and "Refuse/Resist" incessantly.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:06 (one month ago) link

It's definitely between Arise and Chaos AD for me though I might chuck Schizophrenia a vote as I'm guessing not many others will. I saw them I think four times between Arise and Roots and they were so damn good live. I remember ordering Beneath the Remains from a weird little record shop run by an old couple in my home town. It either never showed up or they were horrified by the cover and contents and sent it back.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:11 (one month ago) link

beneath the remains but haven’t heard them all

just started listening to this awesome band

brimstead, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:14 (one month ago) link

it'll inevitably get the fewest votes but morbid visions is so fucking good and evil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TcxeK7kMvw

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:23 (one month ago) link

my theory is these are all perfect albums in different ways

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:24 (one month ago) link

Beneath the Remains for me. just a ferocious thrash album that also has a lot of weird little cool musical moments, like the random bass solo during "Stronger Than Hate". the title track is like a line of cocaine. "Inner Self" also a classic.

buuuut....I like it all from this time period. Morbid Visions is weird, evil, out of tune, blackish thrash that I'm not always in the mood for, but it's fun nonetheless.

Schizophrenia underrated, obviously "Troops of Doom" is great, but there's also "Escape to the Void". the songwriting wasn't as developed yet, but the songs have plenty of energy and just aren't as sharp as what came later.

Arise is honestly almost as good as BTR and on some days, it wins the head to head battle. Lots of melodious goodness on it, especially the middle part of "Desperate Cry", and that high string pre-verse riff in "Dead Embryonic Cells" is hooky as fuck.

Chaos AD took me learns to love, but the songwriting on it is tight, "Refuse/Resist" is a tune that gets me amped when political shit is fucked, and "Territory" has such great atmosphere.

I even like Roots! I mean, yeah, it's nu-metal, and the guitar work is pretty bland, but they're not really going for traditional 'riffs' so much as creating a percussive, staccato feel as a band. where they try to do that, they succeed. I hate Max's vocals on it though - shrill isn't something he was good at.

voted Reign in Blood

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:43 (one month ago) link

jk, Benaeth takes it for me.

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:43 (one month ago) link

Chaos AD is the one for me

― paolo, Wednesday, March 17, 2021 1:48 PM bookmarkflaglink

judging by ur dn, u played on it

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:43 (one month ago) link

I need to revisit these to make an informed decision but my first instinct says Beneath the Remains.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:46 (one month ago) link

definitely a band I regret not seeing in their prime, but Max had already left before I even had a chance to hear one of their albums in full.

not that Derrick era is any slouch, but it's not a patch on prime Sep.

the last Cavalera Conspiracy is better than anything Sep or Max released since leaving though.

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

One of the greatest bands on the planet ca. 1990

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:53 (one month ago) link

Heh, I just remembered that Wagner Antichrist of Sarcófago fame was briefly their vocalist, but there are no extant recordings of this lineup to my knowledge.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:54 (one month ago) link

These days he teaches economic science and applied statistics.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:55 (one month ago) link

btwwwww if anybody wants to talk about Wagner and SARCOFAGO: in praise of SARCOFAGO

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:55 (one month ago) link

woulda loved to hear what they sounded like with him, though honestly his voice would really have only meshed with their Morbid Visions era (which tbh it would have been perfect for)

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:56 (one month ago) link

I think he's only credited as a writer on their 1985 split with Overdose.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:58 (one month ago) link

Bestial Devastation! \m/

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:00 (one month ago) link

A metal vocalist-turned-teacher thread would be fun, come to think of it. I wish I'd learned ESL with Lord Worm.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:01 (one month ago) link

lol i was going to mention Worm.

didn't Peter Dolving of the Haunted teach as well?

I would love to hear him scream at me in class

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:02 (one month ago) link

Tomas Lindberg is a teacher, too.

the last Cavalera Conspiracy is better than anything Sep or Max released since leaving though.

All the Cavalera Conspiracy albums (and the last three or four Soulfly albums TBH) are surprisingly good. Max has had some really great guests on CavCon records, like Justin Broadrick and Prurient(!).

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:02 (one month ago) link

Soulfly was one of the last concerts I saw pre-lockdown last year, it was quite a good show!

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:04 (one month ago) link

escape!!!!
to the void!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:07 (one month ago) link

Thirty years ago I had a summer job where a younger kid played Sepultura in the van cassette deck, probably Arise. He and I were the only ones who stayed to listen to it at lunch, but I don't remember any musical details. Is it a good record to start with?

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:19 (one month ago) link

I'd say so, yeah, but I'll defer to the real Sepultura-heads.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:21 (one month ago) link

i'd say so, it's really the more mainstream-y sounding version of Beneath the Remains. still fast-as-fuck thrash, but a little more accessible and melodic, despite still being aggressive af.

a lot of the fun 'extra' rifftastic moments from BTR are gone though. but it's a solid record.

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:21 (one month ago) link

i am in the middle of "inquisition symphony" and y'all sepultura owns

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:44 (one month ago) link

Went for Arise. probably after that Chaos AD... not a fan of Roots on my last re-listen. one record that did sound amazing was Schizophrenia - really underrated that one.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 22:29 (one month ago) link

Schizophrenia is kind of their Ride the Lightning, the ingredients are all there but they haven't quite popped yet. I love it to death.

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 18 March 2021 07:50 (one month ago) link

def beneath the remains for me, one of my favorite thrash records

agreed with neanderthal, arise is a step down but that it ain't bad either

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Thursday, 18 March 2021 18:18 (one month ago) link

i will say I went nuts the last time I saw Sepultura and they launched into "Desperate Cry".

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 18:51 (one month ago) link

'Inner Self' was always my favourite live track - ridiculously great fun in the pit.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:29 (one month ago) link

the last few albums have been fantastic, a real return to form and their live shows have indeed been fantastic in recent years

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:59 (one month ago) link

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:15 (one month ago) link

the last few albums have been fantastic, a real return to form and their live shows have indeed been fantastic in recent years

yeah, I liked the 2020 record, and though I haven't caught them myself (cancelled show, thanks covid!), friends have raved about their recent-ish live lineup

wonder if anyone would be enough of a contrarian to vote for anything after max tho

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:42 (one month ago) link

can barely believe "inner self" is a real song

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:22 (one month ago) link

Just dropping this here, though I also put it in the main metal thread. Max has a new band, Go Ahead And Die, with his son Igor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjCMyT4Bsm4

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:53 (one month ago) link

haven’t listened to any others but i love roots

flopson, Friday, 19 March 2021 21:41 (one month ago) link

Beneath the Remains for me but I realize I will be in the minority.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 19 March 2021 23:41 (one month ago) link

I've actually never listened to any of their 90s stuff but Beneath The Remains is one of the best thrash records I've ever heard. Maybe I should listen to Arise

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 19 March 2021 23:47 (one month ago) link

excited to check all these out

map ca. 1890 (map), Friday, 19 March 2021 23:55 (one month ago) link

Arise. first time any of their albums fully hit me

gman59, Friday, 19 March 2021 23:57 (one month ago) link

Oh if u ain't heard em, map, yr in for a real treat!

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 March 2021 23:58 (one month ago) link

I'm more of a 'track' fan of Sepultura than the full albums. Chaos AD is the only one that I played all the way front to back on any regular basis. Early stuff is like the Swans to me, I get why people dig it, but it's too much for me other than a couple of a tracks at time to listen.

What do I know, I like some of those big dumb groovy Soulfly numetal tunes. Couple of them are catchy as hell.

earlnash, Saturday, 20 March 2021 00:31 (one month ago) link

Chaos AD is incredible, one of the most perfect metal albums ever made. Not a wasted riff or guitar squeal.

I really wanted to love Roots, and applaud its experimental soul, but it never cohered for me.

chap, Saturday, 20 March 2021 01:08 (one month ago) link

this poll was partially inspired by how amazing i found roots on revisit. album's got pockets you can get lost in

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 20 March 2021 01:51 (one month ago) link

still leaning toward chaos a.d. tho

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 20 March 2021 01:51 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

“mass hypnosis” rules so hard

brimstead, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:21 (two weeks ago) link

whoa Kelly Schaefer wrote the lyrics to “stronger than hate”?!? what’s the story behind that???

brimstead, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

whoa it’s like Florida death metal CSN doing background vocals on that one lol!

brimstead, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:25 (two weeks ago) link

but incubus was New York. sorry, my bad, I’m done.

brimstead, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:25 (two weeks ago) link

i didn't know that about Schaefer!

he's a cool dude, at least judging by his FB. not your usual caveman metalhead

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:37 (two weeks ago) link

I interviewed him once, when Atheist's reunion album came out. Nice guy.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 17 April 2021 01:18 (two weeks ago) link

I voted for Roots. I fucking love that album.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 17 April 2021 01:31 (two weeks ago) link

but incubus was New York.

Pretty sure this was the Incubus from Louisiana.

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 17 April 2021 11:35 (two weeks ago) link

aka Oppobrium?

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 April 2021 14:55 (two weeks ago) link

voted Arise, but really could have gone for any of the last four here.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:40 (two weeks ago) link

Sepultura were really easily influenced. First stuff sounds like Sodom/Vulcano, then it’s a mix of Metallica/Slayer, then by the time of Chaos AD it’s the groove metal of tourmates Pantera and Biohazard, then they hopped on the nu-metal bandwagon with Ross Robinson, etc.

At some point I started noticing this (around Arise) and young me lost a lot of respect for them and that coloured my opinion of the later records. In retrospect, Chaos AD is probably the best groove metal album ever (maybe that’s faint praise, but still).

Has to be Beneath The Remains though, all-out agression works better for them than pent up anger.

Siegbran, Saturday, 17 April 2021 20:28 (two weeks ago) link

Sepultura were really easily influenced. First stuff sounds like Sodom/Vulcano, then it’s a mix of Metallica/Slayer, then by the time of Chaos AD it’s the groove metal of tourmates Pantera and Biohazard, then they hopped on the nu-metal bandwagon with Ross Robinson, etc.

At some point I started noticing this (around Arise) and young me lost a lot of respect for them and that coloured my opinion of the later records. In retrospect, Chaos AD is probably the best groove metal album ever (maybe that’s faint praise, but still).

Has to be Beneath The Remains though, all-out agression works better for them than pent up anger.

Siegbran, Saturday, 17 April 2021 20:29 (two weeks ago) link

Sepultura were really easily influenced. First stuff sounds like Sodom/Vulcano, then it’s a mix of Metallica/Slayer, then by the time of Chaos AD it’s the groove metal of tourmates Pantera and Biohazard, then they hopped on the nu-metal bandwagon with Ross Robinson, etc.

At some point I started noticing this (around Arise) and young me lost a lot of respect for them and that coloured my opinion of the later records. In retrospect, Chaos AD is probably the best groove metal album ever (maybe that’s faint praise, but still).

Has to be Beneath The Remains though, all-out agression works better for them than pent up anger.

Siegbran, Saturday, 17 April 2021 20:29 (two weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

Really surprised by these results. I was expecting either Arise > Chaos > Beneath > Roots or Arise > Chaos > Roots > Beneath.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:13 (two weeks ago) link

As good as Arise is it just doesn't quite reach the height of BTR for me. Tremendously exciting record at the time and within a year of BTR coming out it seemed like there were dozens of new death/thrash bands in the SoCal scene (where I grew up), it really set a fire there.

aka Oppobrium?

Yup!

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 18 April 2021 04:51 (two weeks ago) link

I'm surprised by the results too, I always thought Arise was the favourite of thrash metal fans, while the others championed Chaos A.D. and/or Roots. Maybe it's partially an age thing? I was too young for Arise but a teenager when Chaos A.D. and Roots were released and I loved them both. Everyone who complained about groove/nu metal were just old. and still are tbh.

braised cod, Sunday, 18 April 2021 10:46 (two weeks ago) link


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