Best artist who influenced the worst music

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Pretty self-explanatory really. A great artist or band who went on to influence some absolutely atrocious music.

Thinking about all the lousy theatre-hippie sea shanty festival acts called things like The Hobo Jerkin' Slap'n'Tumble Band or whatever, Tom Waits is definitely one.

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 15:46 (one month ago) link

if you hate nu-metal then faith no more have a lot to answer for. i was thinking about them in this context anyway because like... papa roach is soooooo influenced by faith no more and they make horrible music

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 March 2021 15:50 (one month ago) link

Eddie Van Halen definitely inspired some awful guitar players.

earlnash, Thursday, 18 March 2021 15:51 (one month ago) link

Grateful Dead

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Thursday, 18 March 2021 15:53 (one month ago) link

There's a whole of load of boring British 00s rock that owes its life to The Bends/OK Computer era Radiohead. Thinking along the lines of Muse or whoever else was called the new Radiohead by the desperate British music press. There's Coldplay too of course, but I've grown to like Coldplay a lot more over the years.

triggercut, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:17 (one month ago) link

electric blues owns this thread

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:23 (one month ago) link

Albert King

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:24 (one month ago) link

nirvana and robert johnson have to be up there

nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:25 (one month ago) link

Did Nirvana really influence thaaaat many bands though? Or were all the bad second-wave grunge bands more Pearl Jam disciples?

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:27 (one month ago) link

maybe, i have never knowingly listened to pearl jam

nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:28 (one month ago) link

if you hate nu-metal then faith no more have a lot to answer for. i was thinking about them in this context anyway because like... papa roach is soooooo influenced by faith no more and they make horrible music

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:50 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Also: RATM

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:30 (one month ago) link

Yeah, Faith No More is def the classic answer at this point

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:31 (one month ago) link

I think I've looked — and there's a lot — but there's literally never been a good Faith No More cover, which is real good indicator imo. Lots of good Tom Waits and Nirvana covers!

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:33 (one month ago) link

tbh when i heard the real thing i thought what is this nu metal shit

nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:34 (one month ago) link

pearl jam

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:35 (one month ago) link

xpost cool

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:38 (one month ago) link

I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:39 (one month ago) link

nu-metal > post-grunge for me, and pearl jam are the forefathers of the yarl rock groups that dominated rock radio for a decade

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:39 (one month ago) link

And I dunno, I don't hear much parallel between Faith No More and nu-metal other than it's hard rock combined with various other styles. Epic maybe, but I always heard nu-metal as Rage but without the politics

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:40 (one month ago) link

next to ophura cunt tree musak is the wurst!

xzanfar, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:41 (one month ago) link

Daft Punk must have influenced whole swathes of terrible EDM rubbish. Deadmaus was definitely taking notes

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:43 (one month ago) link

And I dunno, I don't hear much parallel between Faith No More and nu-metal other than it's hard rock combined with various other styles. Epic maybe, but I always heard nu-metal as Rage but without the politics

"Epic" was a big hit, though. I don't think it's off-base to say that it could have influenced artists, including RATM.

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:47 (one month ago) link

The Judgment Night soundtrack is the closest forerunner to nu-metal I guess?

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:49 (one month ago) link

I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover

― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:39 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Come on, man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tpu_XoNABA

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:49 (one month ago) link

Youtube indie ukulele voice always scans as a gross perversion of Billie Holiday to me.

Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:50 (one month ago) link

epic is nu metal af. linkin park did it better tho

nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:52 (one month ago) link

I've seen so many nu metal acts who cite Faith No More as inspiration, including I would assume the band considered the most important nu metal band

"My favorite Faith No More record is The Real Thing. That's when Mike Patton took over. That's the one. I do like We Care a Lot. We got a lot of our influences from The Real Thing. It showed everybody you could do heavy music and not be "metal". It was something completely different." - Jonathan Davis 2015
"They can do no wrong by me. They sound great. I like their new stuff, too. It fits right in with the old stuff, I think. I think everyone is so excited to hear them and see them playing together again, I know a couple of the guys, they're great guys and phenomenal musicians. To me, they're not a metal band. They always say they're not a metal band. I've always kind of felt that way about Korn. They inspired Fieldy and I to start a band and start playing. That was back in 1987, so it's inspiring that not only are they still going, but they sold out that place three nights in a row. It gives guys like me hope." - Munky Shaffer 2015
"The chemistry of the way that Bill Gould plays bass in Faith No More is incredible. He and I kind of play the same, but he plays on-beat and with a pick most of the time, even though it sounds like he’s slapping. As much as I practise, I can’t play like that." - Fieldy 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:53 (one month ago) link

Corollary question: has said bad influence dragged down your estimation of the good artist?

Like, I once rated Cream a great band, and they're hardly a broad influence these days, but I don't think of them as a great band anymore. Not sure if dull blues rock or Clapton's subsequent awfulness is the bigger weight.

Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:54 (one month ago) link

I think Clapton's stock is real low across the board these days

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:54 (one month ago) link

Whiney - that video's unavailable in my country

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:55 (one month ago) link

I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover

I quite like Dion's cover of "Looking for the Heart of Saturday Night."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9fZLOqsTxM

Lily Dale, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:55 (one month ago) link

System of a down
Serj Tankian: “I love Faith No More and Mike Patton. Patton always pushes boundaries and does something completely different.”

Slikpnot
Corey Taylor: “Mike Patton is a crazy genius. Watching him basically take the piss out of that entire audience and the fact everyone in that band had such diverse personalities that it worked, I was mesmerized. It shook my whole idea of what you can do musically”

Deftones
Chino Moreno: “The first album had a couple of good songs, but Angel Dust sounded savage to me. It sounded way more like a Mike Patton record. I feel like he had a lot more influence on it.”

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:55 (one month ago) link

ramones' "i don't wanna grow up" is the first one i thought of too.

also, the various "way down in the hole" versions used in the wire.

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:56 (one month ago) link

important to note that there are many godawful tom waits covers too (eagles, rod stewart, scarlett johansson)

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:57 (one month ago) link

It's still up for debate whether I saw Serj wandering around at the first Mr. Bungle reunion show

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:58 (one month ago) link

I think I actually like the nu-metal bands/songs best when they're influenced by Patton. System of a Down, definitely. Korn's second album sounds very much like he heard "Ugly In The Morning" and made a whole album out of that. So I concede on it - definitely a huge influence on the genre.

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:58 (one month ago) link

The Scarlett Johannsson album is one of my favorite albums of the '00s

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:59 (one month ago) link

to look at?

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:59 (one month ago) link

maybe i should also renege slightly on the Waits covers: I've never heard one I can safely say improves on the original. None of the Wire ones float my boat

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:59 (one month ago) link

Mike Patton is one of my favorite singers. Faith No More, one of my favorite bands of all time. Very inspiring to me. I fell in love with that band at a very young age, and I saw them a few times growing up. I was bummed out when they parted ways [in 1998], but they're doing shows again, which is awesome.
But as far as influence, the way that I sing, I definitely was inspired by Mike Patton, but lyrically, I approach my songs very differently than Mike Patton does. He comes from a place of a bit more sarcasm... a lot more sarcasm. Whereas I come from that heart and soul kind of place. My two favorite singers are Mike Patton and Mike Ness from Social Distortion. Total opposites, but I like the storytelling that Mike Ness does so I kind of fused both those two guys together at an early age, and it inspired me to become my own thing." - Jacoby Shaddix

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:00 (one month ago) link

ums, i didn't notice an open quote so i thought you were speaking for yourself there haha

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:01 (one month ago) link

to look at?

― voodoo chili, Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:59 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's a bleary 4AD-style record by the TVOTR producer, the songwriting is obviously peerless, and ScarJo has an affectless post-punk delivery that everyone jizzed over when Italians Do It Better was doing the same.

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:04 (one month ago) link

voodoo I am jacoby shaddix just try to keep a low profile

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:07 (one month ago) link

trying to think of ground zero for the awful rinkydink uke/xylophone/toy piano sound that has defined music used in commercials, TV and movies for the last 15+ years, and coming back to the Mark Mothersbaugh's Wes Anderson soundtracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDYZ5CzfGg

impossible to hear that music today and not hear a voice going "think all credit monitoring apps are created equal? think again."

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:26 (one month ago) link

maybe i should also renege slightly on the Waits covers: I've never heard one I can safely say improves on the original. None of the Wire ones float my boat

I rather like Sarah McLachlan's cover of "Ol' 55", Ramones cover of "I Don't Wanna Grow Up", and Holly Cole made an entire album of jazz-trio Waits covers that most people kinda dump on but I think is vg

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:50 (one month ago) link

I wouldn't consider them one of my favorite bands or anything but Mr. Bungle influenced a lot of nu metal and Disco Volante is a pretty solid album (the others have their moments, too).

zacata, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:56 (one month ago) link

Stockhausen influenced a lot of third-rate "avant-garde" rock artists like Frank Zappa.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:16 (one month ago) link

and ... The Beatles

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:40 (one month ago) link

Zappa might be the worst artist who influenced far better music than they made themselves (argument begins...now). Probably another thread though.

judged and found wanting by the steve hoffman forums (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:43 (one month ago) link

good call on the rushmore soundtrack one eye open

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:44 (one month ago) link

and ... The Beatles

― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:40

my first thought when i saw this thread

mark e, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:49 (one month ago) link

Every influential artist ever.

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:50 (one month ago) link

true.

mark e, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:51 (one month ago) link

Dylan or the Beatles. That just comes with being massively influential - it's hard NOT to influence a lot of bad music when you're that famous and celebrated.

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:12 (one month ago) link

I thought what we're focusing on here is the (negative) quality of the bad music, not the quantity...

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:22 (one month ago) link

Whoever was responsible for post-grunge.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:38 (one month ago) link

I wonder whether post-grunge really is the most hated genre of all time or if it's just an ILX affectation.

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:39 (one month ago) link

Tom Waits was a pretty good influence on things up until the late 90s. That's almost 30 years. It started going south with Dresden Dolls, Gogol Bordello.

Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:44 (one month ago) link

not sure if this is correct, but I feel like a lot of extremely tepid 90s and early 2000s music was influenced by REM

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:46 (one month ago) link

I went to Cesky Krumlov one time and spent the weekend hanging out with (among other people) the singer from a Tom Waits covers band, he was a nice guy and very funny but had also just done a load of acid and was only just about holding it together the whole time. I saw his band in Prague a few months later and they were pretty good, spoke to him afterwards and he had absolutely no memory at all of me or the weekend.

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:12 (one month ago) link

I think the problem with post-grunge is that it was still a thing until the mid 00’s so it lasted for a better part of a decade. Also, it was hard to ignore because it managed to sneak in hits into mainstream radio.

That wasn’t a problem with say, nu metal because it hardly had radio airplay (were there many crossover hits? I think Linkin Park was the closest one) and it didn’t really last for a fucking decade.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:17 (one month ago) link

Whoever was responsible for post-grunge.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:38 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

pearl jam: Best artist who influenced the worst music

voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:30 (one month ago) link


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