worst / most washed-up / weakest link band in the HELLA MEGA TOUR (Green Day / Fall Out Boy / Weezer)

anyone going to this? is it expected to be good?

but who has the highest highs? and who has the lowest lows? who had the biggest fall from grace?

i liked green day the most so their late mediocrity is far more upsetting to me, to the point that i'm considering voting for them as the worst. weezer i was never into so their decline didn't hurt me and at least some their later stuff is bad in an interesting way - they're also easily the most fun to hate (i don't *want* to hate green day). fall out boy have always just kind of been there afaict. not sure what to reward/punish

interestingly though all these bands have gone through similar kinds of late-career transformations to the point that none of them sound at all like i remember them sounding. maybe they're still good live....?

relevant images

https://images.kerrangcdn.com/Hella-Mega-Tour-2020-poster.jpg?auto=compress&fit=crop&w=1008

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENylPapW4AYQb3A.jpg

many people still like all of these bands

i know, they're even on tour together

Fall Out Boy - would still listen and enjoy
Green Day - ugh maybe three or four songs
Weezer - gtfoohfffs

did people really like the last green day album and if so why?

Weezer is the worst of the three. their first two albums nonwithstanding, I want them to die now.

weezer more like wheezer
green day more like bad day
fall out boy more like all out of joy

As I've been compiling a funtime playlist for extended 4th of July weekend, I've come to realize that I actually like a lot of the singles from the first couple big Green Day albums. They sorta got lost in the early-to-mid-'90s alternaradio shuffle back in the day but they definitely hold up.

Otherwise don't particularly care about any of these musics and am puzzled that anyone might still particularly care enough to attend these shows. Guess these guys are at like the 'Foreigner and Supertramp at the Iowa State Fair' stage of their career.

weezer may be the worst of the three but the most washed-up is green day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW7VhkNqjnc

this song is a decade old but the embarrassment is still fresh

xp i don't particularly care about them either and i would consider going! just to have a chance to hear basket case live. i was even slightly disappointed to find out the london show (now rescheduled for next year) was sold out. but i'd be worried the whole thing would leave me feeling vaguely depressed, about nostalgia and about all the ways they and I have and haven't changed. especially if it's a shit or mediocre show

yeah green day going all REAL RAWK (with occasional maroon 5 touches) is such a disappointing development, esp since i always (wishfully) thought of them as an inclusive band. didn't realise they'd been at it for this long

i'll give that song two things
- billie joe still sounds more like billie joe than some kind of ungodly jack white / adam levine hybrid
- the lyrics are embarrassing but less embarrassing than "I'm hangin' with the cholos (falsetto backing vocal: cholos!)"

Wow, that song + video are hilarious. I don't think I've heard anything Green Day has done since that sad bastard 'Wake Me Up When September Ends' song. Is 'Spencer's Gifts background rock' a legit genre that bands aspire to? Or maybe it's like 'wake-up call' rock, something you play at a band member's intervention to illustrate how far they've fallen.

this recent green day single is pretty ok tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRjNx5kZSsg

I only know the sound of Green Day, which is from two instances: early Green Day played by my roommates during a ski week (around 2000, probably from Dookie) and that year where American Idiot / Boulevard were on endless radio play.

As I've been compiling a funtime playlist for extended 4th of July weekend, I've come to realize that I actually like a lot of the singles from the first couple big Green Day albums. They sorta got lost in the early-to-mid-'90s alternaradio shuffle back in the day but they definitely hold up.

Otherwise don't particularly care about any of these musics and am puzzled that anyone might still particularly care enough to attend these shows. Guess these guys are at like the 'Foreigner and Supertramp at the Iowa State Fair' stage of their career.

― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, June 24, 2021 7:47 AM (fifty-six minutes ago)

sharp analysis here! i mean, i don't give a shit about any of these three bands, but they're playing baseball and football stadiums all over the country ... i'm not sure 'Foreigner and Supertramp at the Iowa State Fair' is really a fair or accurate representation of this tour? also if you are puzzled that people might care enough to attend these shows, i assure you that says more about you than it does them.

pollyanna is pretty ok, until the last 10 seconds. sentiment is hackneyed and they know it, it's still appreciated. i wish the synth was twice as loud as the guitar instead of vice versa, i know that's not very punk but neither is the fucking whistling

Sorry, alpine static, no offense intended, I hope your cousin Mike Dirnt is well

ambrosia and asia at the alameda county fair at least!

I don't know what I wanted from this. it does feel kind of mean picking on these bands for being old and out of touch, although they're still massive and they can take it. I know they (have) mean(t) a lot to a lot of people and I'm not trying to diminish that either. I'm sure a lot of kids who've never seen these bands will be at the shows, along with people who were kids back when they first broke through. there is something I find depressing about the whole thing though, which might say more about me than the bands or the tour

I'm always torn because I want the artists who I appreciate to continue making a living by whatever means they need to but once they've passed a certain threshold (like say, I dunno, ten years since they've made music that meant anything to me) I don't usually have much interest in seeing them perform live again. But particularly if via some balls-out 'it's still 1994, baby!!!' arena tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xgAaNqvE8M

i didn't tell you this but this recent weezer song is one of my favorite songs of the year :(

prob evidence for the foreigner state fair comparison tho

I barely have any sense of Fallout Boy but it remains very weird to me that Green Day and Weezer ever grew past 'played the mainstage at Lollapalooza one time before returning to moderately-sized venues' status. Like this tour would seem equally odd to me if it was Gin Blossoms and Primitive Radio Gods and Enigma playing arenas in 2021

And yes, for the record, that does say more about me than anything to do with constituent reality.

has any band/artist that broke through for being angsty juvenile outsiders ever really solved the conundrum of what to do when they're no longer outsiders, maybe still angsty and juvenile but at an age where that's no considered cool? you either have to maintain your brand and get less convincing with it, or you change so much you lose what people liked about you. or you awkwardly try to do both things at once, or alternate between them. or you retire. along with these bands blink-182 and eminem have also very clearly been struggling with this problem. somehow boomer legacy acts seem to be less susceptible to this - maybe because they predate punk and all its baggage?

i hear everybody screaming about Green Day but guys Weezer is really bad like dung stuck to a rhino's asshair bad and they came from good so they are worst.

xp better to burn out than to fade away?

I think Radiohead might be an answer to your question, Left, though angsty juvenile outsiders didn't ever exactly define them. But I think their model of "keep swimming forward, don't be afraid to alienate your audience by following your creative muse" is the best answer to the question. Radiohead might be huge but I'm sure there's still plenty of people out there who like that Creep song and maybe dug OK Computer for a bit but that's about it.

nirvana is a worst case scenario for this. but neil young is maybe one of the best? irony

i know the stones have been getting shit for being too old for this since before i was born but at this point they seem to get less of that than respect and gratitude for still being around. so maybe you just have to keep going until that happens. green day and weezer at least are already being welcomed into the classic rock canon so they must be doing something right

as much as i hate to give radiohead credit they have probably handled this better - from "artistic credibility" more than or as well as a commercial point of view, something that probably needs unpacking but whatever - than any others of their generation. it helps that they're perceived as trend setters rather than chasers (although they're both) unlike when one of these bands tries to incorporate trap or IDM or imagine dragons or whatever

I meant EDM

Nobody did it better imo

https://live.staticflickr.com/3423/3799253353_5a0e68e5f0_b.jpg

left i know you love cancelling everyone so i thought id tell you that when i was 15 years old and waiting for a ride home after a green day show from some older kids who were friends with the big brother of the friend i was with, tre cool, the drummer of green day exposed himself in front of me, other minors, and a girl he was trying to pickup (couldn't have been older than 17). he would have been in his late 20s at this stage

boone actually got cancelled by a lot of conservative christians for doing that. probably done enough racism since then to be forgiven though

xp i don't see how the preamble is necessary but that's gross and i'm sorry

Tre Cool's gabbagool

is the implication supposed to be that this *isn't* cancellable behaviour? or that it *is* and [other thing] isn't?

I've seen some version of Foreigner (dunno how many original members, definitely the singer) play at a county fair and I gotta tell you guys they absolutely smoked, would 100% go see Foreigner in 2021 in an agricultural setting

wait Lou Gramm is back?

when I saw them it was still Kelly Hansen, but that was many years ago

lmao this list

Current members

Mick Jones – lead and rhythm guitars, keyboards, backing and lead vocals (1976–present)
Jeff Pilson – bass, keyboards, backing vocals (2004–present)
Kelly Hansen – lead vocals, percussion (2005–present)
Michael Bluestein – keyboards, backing vocals (2008–present)
Bruce Watson – rhythm and lead guitars, backing vocals (2011–present)
Chris Frazier – drums, percussion (2012–present)
Luis Maldonado - rhythm guitar, bass, backing vocals (2021-present)

Former members

Lou Gramm – lead vocals, percussion (1976–1990, 1992–2003; occasional special guest, 2017 and 2018)
Dennis Elliott – drums, percussion, occasional backing vocals (1976–1993, 1991–93; occasional special guest, 2017 and 2018)
Ian McDonald – rhythm and lead guitars, keyboards, saxophone, flute, backing vocals (1976–1980; occasional special guest, 2017, 2018 and 2019)
Al Greenwood – keyboards, synthesizers (1976–1980; occasional special guest 2017, 2018 and 2019)
Ed Gagliardi – bass, backing vocals (1976–1979; died 2014)
Rick Wills – bass, backing vocals (1979–1991; occasional special guest 2017, 2018 and 2019)
Johnny Edwards – lead vocals, rhythm and lead guitars (1990–1992)
Jeff Jacobs – keyboards, backing vocals (1991–2007)
Thom Gimbel – rhythm guitar, keyboards, backing vocals, saxophone, flute (1992–1993, 1995–2021)[36]
Mark Schulman – drums, backing vocals (1992–1995, 2000–2002, 2011–2012)
Bruce Turgon – bass, backing vocals (1992–2003)
Scott Gilman – rhythm and lead guitars, saxophone, backing vocals (1993–1995)
Ron Wikso – drums (1995–1998)
Brian Tichy – drums (1998–2000, 2008–2010; touring 2007, 2011 and 2012)
Denny Carmassi – drums (2002–2003)
Jason Bonham – drums (2004–2008)
Chas West – lead vocals (2004-2005)
Paul Mirkovich – keyboards (2007–2008)
Bryan Head – drums (2008)
Jason Sutter – drums (2010–2011)

still can't believe "hired guns" version of Foreigner recorded a studio album in 2009 and they stole the title of a Lionel Richie album for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can%27t_Slow_Down_(Foreigner_album)

This thread has really advanced the state of my Foreigner studies over the past half hour, thank u

(Frankly surprised Furriner doesn't get rotten produce thrown at them when they play rural venues tbrr)

careful u don't stare at the screen too long, you might get.....

three guitars but no flute? fuck that

I assume at this point Mick Jones basically stands onstage while stagehands move his hands for him

current worst & most washed up is clearly green day by quite a margin

but also i never had much fondness for them overall - dookie is good & that's about it? i would probably take the most recent weezer album (which is actually ok) over 90% of green day's discog lol

Smashing Pumpkins worse than any of these.

I'm hard-pressed to think of an alterna-act I liked 25 years ago (many of whose older material I still enjoy today) that I would be pumped to see today.

I think generally the only older act I seem to have found consensus with other people on is Cocteau Twins, which I would probably pay multiple hundos to see now (having already seen MBV in the last several years, which is still v highly recommended). '90s alt acts just don't seem to have as much staying power.

lol NV

I think the list is Melvins, Faith No More, Portishead, the Breeders and the Wu-Tang Clan but only if they can get all 8 living members on stage

Ween too

Wu-Tang in 2018 (was that the year???) was fuckin' amazing.

the tour where they did Enter the Wu-Tang start to back.

ODB's kid was on the tour too

this isn't the thread and i'm not anti what other people like but i will never ever get what Ween are meant to be, they seem anti-music to me but not in a good way

cf 97% of Zappa

my only experience with Ween is Beavis and Butthead being horrified with "Push Th' Little Daisies".

and playing Poop Ship Destroyer on a jukebox for a half hour consecutive

in most situations i side with B&B

so to bring it round hey at least Weezer aren't that

but ffs it's like meta meta music

i look at this tour differently than you all do, clearly

i think seeing Green Day really loud in a stadium would be fun *if* i could write the setlist

Weezer, on the other hand ... well, i'm sorry but they could pick 25 songs for a set and like 7 of them would be embarrassing but the other 18 would be great and they'd play them all like they're sitting in the dentist's chair BUT they'd *sound* good *and* they'd be leaving out another 15 songs i'd love to see live

and my goal would be to arrive just as FOB launches into "Sugar" and then their set is over

I'm hard-pressed to think of an alterna-act I liked 25 years ago (many of whose older material I still enjoy today) that I would be pumped to see today.

I would like to think PJ Harvey could still put on a great show.

some very nice vintage whiney itt

Some big spectacled nerd in the Neezy Weezys

but for real GD will kill this thing they can pull out 20 songs that will all pop with the crowd

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

All of Weezer's albums are pretty great tbh don't know what the fuss is about

Whiney & milo's examples otm. Maybe also like Tori Amos and Malkmus (have not kept up with their more recent stuff). It's mostly a question of a) who's still out there doin' it after all these years and b) who among those still doing it are finding ways to keep it fresh. Less of a damning indictment of those who've failed to do so and more like mad props to the outliers who are managing to outlie in their 50s.

The contrast between what the Breeders have been doing in the 21st Century and what the Pixies have been doing in the 21st Century is stark to say the least

xp Malkmus is boring af live (and I’m a Pavement megafan)

Curious about Veruca Salt to the extent that they're still performing at all these days. They tore it up a quarter century ago.

This is the band that's opening, who has a legit Alternative Radio smash with a ska song somehow in 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2jJLswL8I

_"Boulevard of Broken Dreams"_


Pretty sure we've done a side-by-side comparison of the lyrics of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" with those of Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again."

What sort of road am I on? Behold: you can see that is a lonely one.

In what fashion am I walking on this road? Alone. That is how I am walking on this road which is lonely.

Who is with me on this road? No one. I am the only one who is walking alone upon this lonely road. To put it another way, I am on my own.

Am I aware of any other type of road? Why, no. This is the only sort of road with which I am familiar: a lonely one.

Aimee Interrupter is very late 2010s appropriate because she was on the Alex Jones show multiple times.

It's mostly a question of a) who's still out there doin' it after all these years and b) who among those still doing it are finding ways to keep it fresh.

Not getting too big seems like a key here. PJ and the Breeders and Dino Jr. all had hits and big records and have plenty of money but having a plotline on One Tree Hill or a Broadway musical were never options.

The thread has moved on, but reconstructing when I saw Foreigner, it was definitely not Lou Gramm but the other guy, but goddamn if it didn't sound just like Foreigner

Would u say it felt like the first time

Hey, at this point they're all jukebox heroes.

So many dirty white boys...

it’s an urgent emergency

Nine Inch Nails got pretty big and they’re still good and win Oscars and stuff

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgEPJRWfP7c

only one of these bands has done a feature with godzilla

Give Weezer time, they'll get there eventually.

Weezer is definitely the one I dislike the most but I think by any measure Green Day is way more "washed up", I get the feeling that Weezer could still crank up decent material if they wanted to but they're more interested in doing stupid viral shit

This thread made me wonder what Everclear were up to, looking at some recent videos they are definitely very bad and washed up. clicked around on their new album and every song sounded like it was generated by AI. even Art's voice feels weirdly autotuned and fake now, like that shit they did with Michael Jackson after he died. then I watched some old videos and found out they sucked pretty bad back in the day too. but they had some good tunes at least

i thought the last two everclear albums were pretty ok for what they are. art alexakis' voice has definitely lost a lot of the (minimal) range it used to have, weird seeing them during summerland in 2013(?) and noticing that all of the hits were being played a step down

Everclear's playing here next week as part of a package tour with Living Colour, Hoobastank, and Wheatus.

jfc Living Colour is going to kill the other bands on that bill

Well, yeah.

Looking deeper, that package tour (Summerland) dates back to 2012, and is the brainchild of Alexakis and Mark McGrath. Other washed-up bands featured in prior lineups include:

Sugar Ray (duh)
Marcy Playground
Lit
Sponge
Filter
Live
Gin Blossoms
Eve 6
Spacehog
Soul Asylum
Fuel
Toadies
American HiFi
Local H

UMS has a Spacehog tattoo

Should mention the Summerland-participating version of Live was the sans Kowalczyk lineup.

Summerland bands minus Living Colour would be a good poll

Soul Asylum & Gin Blossoms don’t seem to quite fit with the theme…

only one of these bands has done a feature with godzilla

Wish Godzilla had guested on more tracks, tbh. His rhymes were always the freshest.

― Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:45 AM

Fall Out Boy have pulled out of their New York and Boston "Hella Mega" dates due to an "individual on the band's team" testing positive for COVID-19: https://t.co/U5lDOhqwxo @FallOutBoy pic.twitter.com/Lbq9Rfw6m4

— Consequence (@consequence) August 4, 2021

Sugar, We're Going Down (With Covid-19)

Thus calling into question the integrity of this epic lineup? Say it ain't so!