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get in here, narcissists

https://toneglow.substack.com/p/tone-glow-077-low

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:13 (two years ago) link

Here's my fave avant-whatevers of Jan/Feb thus far to get the convo rollin

Maya Shenfeld - In Free Fall
Tanya Tagaq - Tongues
Kevin Drumm - Future When It Comes
Biosphere - Shortwave Memories
Elías Merino & Daniel del Río - Structures for Wave Field Synthesis
Infernal Mosquitos - Antigua

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:16 (two years ago) link

it is quite cool that the most genuinely weird music in the 77 (except Ran Cap Duoi obv lol) was the runaway winner; Low are currently in the grips of something highly unusual and long may it continue

liked that new Tagaq!!

imago, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:20 (two years ago) link

nmesh new mix of a spirit of the beehive track is p amazing
https://spiritofthebeehive.bandcamp.com/track/i-suck-the-devils-cock-nmeshs-electric-ego-death-quadrathlon

october last year but just came across, on the always fun haord label
https://haord.bandcamp.com/album/sour

nxd, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't think I would like the Tagaq as much as the last two because I always loved her interplay with her live band, but she really took it to a unique place

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link

industrial post-pop icon suits her lol

imago, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:32 (two years ago) link

I tried to start a general Tagaq thread where I talked about Tongues. I really like it: Tanya Tagaq

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Friday, 11 February 2022 22:20 (two years ago) link

I'll have some stuff for this thread in a bit, glad it was started

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 11 February 2022 22:24 (two years ago) link

table, post your 2022 ballot

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 11 February 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link

er, 2021

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 11 February 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link

lol @ this title. I have been telling myself I need to listen to the new Tagaq since it came out, maybe this will give me the push I need to get round to it.

Mentioned on the albums poll thread that this is p much the only 2022 album I've spent any time with, think it fits here: Beast Nest - Sicko

emil.y, Friday, 11 February 2022 23:10 (two years ago) link

Sharmi is cool, love her whole thing.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 11 February 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link

deliciously whacked-out vocal/electronic madness from ILXor Milton Parker and two other folks:

https://w0bbly.bandcamp.com/album/no-dominio

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Friday, 11 February 2022 23:30 (two years ago) link

Is Milton Parker J*n L*******r?!

The Variations MACBA podcast series is probably my favorite music podcast of all time

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 11 February 2022 23:34 (two years ago) link

yes! currently playing in Negativland

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Friday, 11 February 2022 23:38 (two years ago) link

really feeling Uwalmassa - Malar, indonesian gamelan x industrial sludge

https://divisi62.bandcamp.com/album/malar

donna rouge, Friday, 11 February 2022 23:44 (two years ago) link

https://pudelprodukte.bandcamp.com/album/dna

brimstead, Friday, 11 February 2022 23:51 (two years ago) link

Not as electronic as some of the other stuff recently posted, perhaps, but certainly in the weird music camp is a project from some friends that's been getting some nice write-ups— Eyes of the Amaryllis, Sift. https://horn-of-plenty.bandcamp.com/album/sift

I'm into it, but I'm also biased!

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 February 2022 19:09 (two years ago) link

also, i lost my weighted ballot, but the albums that i voted for:

Kessler- Ambivalent EP
James Brandon Lewis Quartet- Code of Being
Patrick Shiroishi- Hidemi
Matthew Liam Nicholson- Nine Movements
Fuubutsushi- Good Sky Day
Fuubutsushi- Natsukashii
Fuubutsushi- Yamawarau
Fuubutsushi- Setsubun
Jessica Ackerley and Daniel Carter- Friendship
Rắn Cạp Đuôi Collective- Ngủ Ngày Ngay Ngày Tận Thế
Matt Evans- Touchless
Slikback- MELT
LNS & DJ Sotofett- Sputters
Eimar Reidy & Natalia Beylis- Whose Woods are These
Scotch Rolex- Tewari
Skee Mask- Pool
Chris Schlarb & Chad Taylor- Time No Changes
Moon Reflecting- Non-GMO Rain Dance
Rachika Nayar- Our Hands Against the Dusk
xLWBxDRx- prairie spells, a ribbon wove
Anne Bourne- wave
Natural Information Society & Evan Parker- descension (Out of Our Constrictions)
Ahmed- Nights on Saturn (Communication)
ZULI- All Caps EP
Quin Kirchner- Live at Pro Musica

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 February 2022 19:12 (two years ago) link

we're doing this on here tbh, i can't stand how overlooked they are

https://blackdresses.bandcamp.com/album/forget-your-own-face

the new one. it's probably the least brilliant album they've done (mostly as it's only 20 minutes long). it's still great. you should all still hear it. it's avant-stupid pop music and it bangs

imago, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 23:29 (two years ago) link

also can some more of us get on the patty taxxon train for the absolute love of god, try this it's short (and came out the other day)

https://patriciataxxon.bandcamp.com/album/gloria

imago, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 23:43 (two years ago) link

I kind of think we should strive to keep this thread somewhat silo'd from twenty-something RYM/internet stuff like hyperpop, hypnagogic pop, hexD, vaporwave, dungeon synth, cloud rap, nightcore, black midi, future funk, dariacore, seapunk, blown out anime voices, broken transmission etc, but appreciate the enthusiasm loujag

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 23:53 (two years ago) link

in other words, you meant this to be the ambient thread, not the experimental thread ... right?

alpine static, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 23:56 (two years ago) link

Very welcome: noise, free improv, ambient, minimalism, field recordings, out-jazz, musique concrete, modern classical, drone, sound art and some sparing dips into out-there beats (batida, gqom, footwork, singeli)

Less welcome: Anything that's like "the new pop music is digitally clipping pokemon voices" or "I slowed and reverbed the Goonies"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 00:06 (two years ago) link

We all share the thread though, so if I'm outvoted, I'm outvoted

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 00:07 (two years ago) link

We do have jazz and classical threads too fwiw.

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link

donna I am really digging that Uwalmassa album, thank you!

Amy Denio just did a record of vocal/loop stuff:
https://amydenio.bandcamp.com/album/amy-denio-chapel-sessions

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link

this thread title needs a Google Translate

sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 01:55 (two years ago) link

Ann Eysermans – For Trainspotters Only
https://cortizona.bandcamp.com/album/for-trainspotters-only

gimmicky narrative ✔️
transparently manipulative ✔️

aegis philbin (crüt), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 02:09 (two years ago) link

I'm kind of with Whiney on this one, but mostly because other than The Heart Pumps Kool-Aid, which is a veritable sea of calm, I haven't been able to get into any squeaky voiced hypergarbage monster mash stuff— I hate pop music, it doesn't help it to make it more annoying lol.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link

I posted this in the "music that rocks" thread, but maybe it is better suited here.

https://clocolan.bandcamp.com/album/empathy-alpha

Dark ambient, synthy sci-fi soundtrack for a non-existent movie, complete with dialogue "scenes"

peace, man, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:28 (two years ago) link

that Beast Nest thing emil.y posted is almost the perfect difference-splitter between this thread of Serious Experimental and my own toys-out-of-pram hypergarbage offshoot

imago, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:29 (two years ago) link

I'm kind of with Whiney on this one, but mostly because other than The Heart Pumps Kool-Aid, which is a veritable sea of calm, I haven't been able to get into any squeaky voiced hypergarbage monster mash stuff— I hate pop music, it doesn't help it to make it more annoying lol.

Yeah, I'm actually in favour of separating non-notated EA/musique concrète and sound art out of "classical" (not that it appears in that thread much anyway) and free improv out of "jazz", and good with separating brickwalled Ke$hacore (a couple of songs of which I've enjoyed) into its own category.

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:34 (two years ago) link

I much prefer throwing everything into the mix and seeing what sticks, but if imago's cool with having his own hyperstuff thread then I'll just have to bookmark them both and hope I choose the right one when I'm posting.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:39 (two years ago) link

ofc i am! whiney is right to gatekeep itt, i say that 100% seriously

imago, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:45 (two years ago) link

Finnish folk music duo Akkajee are releasing a creepy video for their song "Lastenkerääjä" (translation: child collector):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEtmTsa5zvo

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 15:58 (two years ago) link

:O

https://wvsorcerer.bandcamp.com/track/sjsj-ii

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 19:13 (two years ago) link

Less welcome: Anything that's like "the new pop music is digitally clipping pokemon voices" or "I slowed and reverbed the Goonies"

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, February 15, 2022 6:06 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol dying at this

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link

honestly there is a thin line between people still looping and blooping like it was still the 1980s and ... slowed and reverbed the Goonies

sarahell, Thursday, 17 February 2022 02:41 (two years ago) link

Some stuff I've bookmarked for Bandcamp Friday in March:

p2p- Impossible Burger
https://karenng.bandcamp.com/album/impossible-burger
(Karen Ng with two others does musique concrète, ambient, noise vibes, good shit)

Rachel Beetz- Unofficial
https://orendarecords.bandcamp.com/album/unofficial
(Flautist does eerie noise experimentation, alternately very dreamy and absolutely crushing)

Robbie Lee and Lea Bertucci- Winds Bells Falls
https://telegraphharp.bandcamp.com/album/winds-bells-falls
(whizzy tape manipulation, rare bells, and antique whistles)

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 February 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link

(Admittedly cribbed list from Foxy Digitalis, which in its new iteration has been a nice home for weird and under the radar stuff)

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 February 2022 16:20 (two years ago) link

agreed, it's super useful. that dude posts a LOT

adam, Saturday, 19 February 2022 16:45 (two years ago) link

some sparing dips into out-there beats (batida, gqom, footwork, singeli)

Hey now, between this and the ravey hardcore continuum thread, my club music would be left with very little!

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 19 February 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link

Yeah, tbh I rarely do the Patreon thing but I did for Foxy D because he clearly spends so much time and energy listening to things and writing about them and communicating with people.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:14 (two years ago) link

this maya shenfeld album is gorgeous

nxd, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 10:30 (two years ago) link

also love those biosphere and beast nest records linked at the start of the thread (just going through sorry!)

some stuff i've enjoyed recently that i think belong here:
Tran Uy Duc - Came
Martin Glass - 21 Commissions For Business
Mike Cooper - Oceans of Milk and Treacle

nxd, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:51 (two years ago) link

Pikachu!

P1k4chu, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link

Jesus I'm going to end up spending a lot of money on Bandcamp Friday in March, it seems.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:51 (two years ago) link

New Pan American is a dusty, pastoral little drive

https://panamerican.bandcamp.com/album/the-patience-fader

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 24 February 2022 17:08 (two years ago) link

fell in love with this record over the weekend:
https://alienjams.bandcamp.com/album/grounded

not on bandcamp at the moment but the new album from debit, "the long count" is worth a listen

nxd, Monday, 28 February 2022 12:31 (two years ago) link

Enjoying Éliane Radigue's Occam XXV as a Bandcamp WAV. Wishing I jumped before the CD sold out

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link

Two releases bunged together in recent Wire review section because they're both on Constellation and both quite 'disintegration of popsong' but also both are completely addictive and great:

Eric Chenaux: https://ericchenaux.bandcamp.com/album/say-laura

Kee Avil: https://keeavil.bandcamp.com/album/crease

technopolis, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link

Chenaux sounds great, thanks! Doesn't make sense to me why it was paired with the other, but oh well.

(If you like the Chenaux, you might like the Maria Elena Silva record from last year, 'Eros')

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:46 (one year ago) link

Very much into most of the tracks on this, will slowly investigate the individual artists:

https://www.touchtheplants.com/products/sound-wonders-lp
"Sound Wonders: A Series of Epics is the second compilation from Touchtheplants, the imprint and multidisciplinary creative environment founded by Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith and Sean Hellfritsch (aka Cool Maritime)"

ledge, Friday, 29 April 2022 08:31 (one year ago) link

^ great stuff

nxd, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:38 (one year ago) link

Yeah, that Kenosist thing is great; I just filed a review for The Wire.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 5 May 2022 19:50 (one year ago) link

Jim O'Rourke, Eiko Ishibashi & Joe Talia
https://joetalia.bandcamp.com/album/patrick

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 20:45 (one year ago) link

😎

https://superpang.bandcamp.com/album/disque-fragile-1-2

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 19 May 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPbjiBnV0c&t=9895s

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 19 May 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link

this record is wonderful from a couple of british composers:

https://www.juno.co.uk/products/robert-ames-ben-corrigan-carbs/867157-01/

nxd, Monday, 23 May 2022 08:22 (one year ago) link

This is some weird neo-folk tribal percussion stuff, extremely for the heads. https://begayer.bandcamp.com/

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 13:56 (one year ago) link

Seriously, you guys :O

https://lauracocks.bandcamp.com/album/field-anatomies

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 6 June 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

sounding great, thanks

thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:36 (one year ago) link

been listening to the stuff from this thread for the last week or so... cool

i bought the tape of this one, nice lowkey release: https://tssstapes.bandcamp.com/album/nido

i got really into this chinese label earlier this year (dunno if i read about them on ilx or elsewhere), but this new release from them sounds great to me: https://zoominnight.bandcamp.com/album/killed-as-time and i also really like the albums of beatles covers by mai mai also on their bandcamp

take it easy

dogs, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link

great stuff ^

nxd, Monday, 20 June 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link

People had a lot of dunking to do on that famous Tone Glow article but there really is a whole metric shitton of ambient music out there right now

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link

Seriously, you guys :O

https://lauracocks.bandcamp.com/album/field-anatomies🕸


Saw her a couple months ago and was deeply impressed. I generally don’t like the flute; I have maybe three favorite flautists, but she’s one of them, and so is Eric Dolphy.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link

🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

https://room40.bandcamp.com/album/guitar-studies-i-iii

🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 23 June 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link

Fievel is Glauque opening for Stereolab this fall, y’all

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:20 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

New Monuments – Language Is The Skin
https://tornlight.bandcamp.com/album/language-is-the-skin

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 13:57 (one year ago) link

v nice

nxd, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 08:13 (one year ago) link

That made me wince, and I like skronky stuff at times.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link

New Ashley Paul doubles down on the best bits (wobbly drunk clarinet) of 2020's Ray; is tremulous and gorgeous and miraculously avoids overt preciousness:

https://ashleypaul.bandcamp.com/album/i-am-fog

technopolis, Sunday, 17 July 2022 19:31 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Been meaning to check out that New Monuments record. Also thanks for the tip about new Ashley Paul, technopolis.

Currently listening to Lila Bazooka - Arashiyama, which I think people here might enjoy.
https://ayler-records.bandcamp.com/album/arashiyama

emil.y, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Ambient/EA guitar stuff. I like it more than other Oppedisano I've heard, maybe bc he leans more into the lyrical lead guitar:
https://marcooppedisano.bandcamp.com/album/evening-sky

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 29 August 2022 13:20 (one year ago) link

68yo raspy French contralto chanteuse singing in English, French and Italian over improvised dissonant jazz/rock music that at times recalls the Birthday Party, at other times Van der Graaf Generator.

https://discusmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-scale-124cd-2021

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 29 August 2022 13:21 (one year ago) link

I don't know if I really get this thread's remit, but the new Rachika Nayar is impressive. I like it a lot more than her previous album. The way it bursts into ravey technicolor at times never fails to delight (though it might be alienating if all you want is Grouper-y banks of melancholic guitar fog), and in general this sounds like a big step up in ambition and achievement to me

rob, Friday, 2 September 2022 14:49 (one year ago) link

yeh really enjoying it

nxd, Friday, 2 September 2022 15:03 (one year ago) link

it's kinda just 'post-rock except cool' but i like that. definitely more ambitious than her previous work

ufo, Saturday, 3 September 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link

I did get the urge to listen to Seefeel after that final remix track, so you're onto something there. But does that imply post-rock isn't already cool? :(

rob, Saturday, 3 September 2022 12:20 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Satisying noise/drone on solo cello with effects. Clears up about halfway through and some melodic themes emerge. https://markmolnar.bandcamp.com/album/mark-molnar-saturns-son

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 19 September 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

v nice

nxd, Monday, 19 September 2022 23:48 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Some Bandcamp stuff

- New two-song single from ---__--___, 'Divine Berth'
If you liked last year's 'The Heart Pumps Kool-Aid,' this is the same sort of thing— "new" classical vibes with auto-tuned vocals, very unsettling and great. https://sethgraham.bandcamp.com/album/divine-berth

- A record from Baum Sae, 'Communication'
from the release page: "Baum Sae is a collaborative project between drummer Soojin Suh, and traditional vocalist Borim Kim combined with Gina Hwang on Geomungo, a traditional Korean plucked instrument. Together they formed a new project "Baum Sae" (translation: Night Birds) in 2020, combining traditional Korean musical elements with group improvisations and original compositions." https://soojinsuh.bandcamp.com/album/communication

- lilien rosarian, 'every flower in my garden'
tape manipulation, radio interference, bells, very beautiful hazy music with some occasional moments of "whoa" mindfuck https://lilienrosarian.bandcamp.com/album/every-flower-in-my-garden

- Nick Storring, 'Music from Wéi'
Solo piano, very beautiful and unexpectedly strange— goes from sounding like soundtrack music to sounding like Morton Feldman. Great.
https://nickstorring.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-w-i

Maybe a few others, that's all I have time for right now.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 7 October 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

Ah, yeah, I liked the lilien rosarian. Recalled Fennesz, which is v welcome for me. I revisited Storring's My Magic Dreams Have Lost Their Spell recently, which was pleasant. This one seems like it will be quite different.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 7 October 2022 21:33 (one year ago) link

Also got a new Mike Cooper record, but will comment on his thread.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 7 October 2022 21:36 (one year ago) link

there a mike cooper thread?
really liking forbidden delta planet blues

nxd, Sunday, 9 October 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link

there is! just search his name.

yeah, that’s the one— been on repeat the past day or so, excellent record

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 10 October 2022 21:16 (one year ago) link

Love Mike Cooper. Been blasting White Shadows In The South Seas in the car a lot over the years.

Evan, Monday, 10 October 2022 21:22 (one year ago) link

Is this where the Loraine James/Julius Eastman thing goes? She has never clicked for me before, but I'm loving it!

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Tuesday, 11 October 2022 16:28 (one year ago) link

That record is shaping up to be real nice.

Lol I never know where anything goes. I want to post about the new Arp album New Pleasures, but it may be too beat-driven for this thread, not dancey enough for the re-deconstructed thread, and not internety enough for the RYM twenty-somethings thread. The whole album is full of beautiful slick City Pop-inspired synth goodness.

The Ghost Club, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 04:31 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

couple of records that have been on repeat for me

https://ianwilliamcraig.bandcamp.com/album/music-for-magnesium-173

https://builenradar.bandcamp.com/album/there-is-no-hunger-in-your-shame

nxd, Friday, 11 November 2022 09:13 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Anyone got any ideas for the new thread name

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:09 (one year ago) link

rolling deterministic aleatorics, institutionalized critique, and avant status quo thread

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:56 (one year ago) link

rolling Lydia Tár

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link

shit imago hates 2023

sleeve, Thursday, 12 January 2023 22:00 (one year ago) link

rolling doses, theses, and feces 2023

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 12 January 2023 23:01 (one year ago) link

ooh, what was that snarky tweet where it was like "It was cool to do hyper-real squelchy sounds because of the technology five years ago but now it's played out"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 13 January 2023 01:00 (one year ago) link


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