― ddd, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― paul cox (paul cox), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― voss, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― daria g, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― dyson (dyson), Saturday, 30 November 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)
any answer to the this question will incite a barrage of "acutally, blah, blah, i'm hipper than you.." but let's just say 2000. that's fair right? maybe 1999. became widely popular in 2001, everybody loves it and bands form themselves in the image of it by 2002.
Cite examples. umm, i'd say stereototal, julie ruin (i never thought of le tigre as electroclash but maybe i'm just stuck in krs gear) har mar superstar and atom and his package. --these bands just don't feel like electroclash bands to me but i keep hearing people call them that. they at least come from mostly different scenes and have since perhaps fallen into the term.
ok, destroy me
― ddd, Saturday, 30 November 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)
Also saying "electroclash" turns it into some sort of formal scene rather than just a free-floating "electro" influence that's getting picked up and used in a lot of ways. Stereo Total, for instance, are in no sense part of anything called "electroclash" or "electro" -- there just happen to be elements that their approach has in common with it, just as there are (more) elements their approach has in common with garage-rock. So when I think "electroclash" I think straight to Larry Tee and the DJ Gigolos thing, the people initially involved in "electroclash" proper -- but if the point is to talk about the sound as a whole, "electro" feels better to me, vaguer and less pigeonholing and more flexible and less scensterish. It correctly identifies the sources of these sounds and allows you to point them out where they're applicable without drawing so many rigid lines and turning everything into some sort of referendum on whether the kids in Williamsburg are dicks or not.
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 30 November 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― yr ever-vigilant correspondent s (mark s), Saturday, 30 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)
(Note that I may be completely wrong on the factual elements above, this is just half-remembered from reading something, somewhere.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 1 December 2002 04:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 1 December 2002 05:34 (twenty-three years ago)
Larry Tee did come up with the term. It was for the festival he put on last year. I remember reading that Adult in particular were superartschoolhorrified! when it became a genre name saying their sound pre-dated the term.
Ladytron are another lot who could be said to pre-date the whole thing.
I'm hesitant about using the term electroclash because, as Nabisco says, it points to the more scenster side of things. Yes Williamsburg, but also a lot of the bad posing that goes on in Hoxton in London.
― Anna (Anna), Sunday, 1 December 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― meirion john lewis (mei), Sunday, 1 December 2002 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 December 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 1 December 2002 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 December 2002 00:37 (twenty-three years ago)