Is it okay to call bands electroclash even if they pre-date the term?

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or should i ridicule people who do so?

ddd, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Cite examples.

paul cox (paul cox), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

What would be "pre-dating" electroclash? 2000? 1991? 1950?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

i have still not yet abandoned my mission to make it "not okay" to call any bands electroclash. i would rant about it for quite a while if i imagined that anyone cared.

voss, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

It is not okay! the fashion mullet and electrical tape police are coming for your uncool niece.

daria g, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

"Pre-electroclash artists it's okay to like."

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:48 (twenty-three years ago)

that's what "proto-"'s for!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

so numan would be "pre-proto-clash"?

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 30 November 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

What would be "pre-dating" electroclash? 2000? 1991? 1950?

any answer to the this question will incite a barrage of "acutally, blah, blah, i'm hipper than you.." but let's just say 2000. that's fair right? maybe 1999. became widely popular in 2001, everybody loves it and bands form themselves in the image of it by 2002.

Cite examples.
umm, i'd say stereototal, julie ruin (i never thought of le tigre as electroclash but maybe i'm just stuck in krs gear) har mar superstar and atom and his package. --these bands just don't feel like electroclash bands to me but i keep hearing people call them that. they at least come from mostly different scenes and have since perhaps fallen into the term.

ok, destroy me


ddd, Saturday, 30 November 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

This is why I usually just want to say "electro." My slight problem with "electroclash" is how much it points to the New York scene, which strikes me as a lot different in form than the more dance-aligned stuff that constitutes the bulk of new electro -- it's formatted so much more as rock and pop, and I think it distracts from the flexibility of the thing as a whole to put that stuff at its center. I see an immense difference in tone between people like Peaches and Fischerspooner and the people doing straight-up Italo Disco or just electro-slanted techno.

Also saying "electroclash" turns it into some sort of formal scene rather than just a free-floating "electro" influence that's getting picked up and used in a lot of ways. Stereo Total, for instance, are in no sense part of anything called "electroclash" or "electro" -- there just happen to be elements that their approach has in common with it, just as there are (more) elements their approach has in common with garage-rock. So when I think "electroclash" I think straight to Larry Tee and the DJ Gigolos thing, the people initially involved in "electroclash" proper -- but if the point is to talk about the sound as a whole, "electro" feels better to me, vaguer and less pigeonholing and more flexible and less scensterish. It correctly identifies the sources of these sounds and allows you to point them out where they're applicable without drawing so many rigid lines and turning everything into some sort of referendum on whether the kids in Williamsburg are dicks or not.

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 30 November 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

where does the "clash" bit come in?

yr ever-vigilant correspondent s (mark s), Saturday, 30 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark, I could be completely wrong about this, but I think the "clash" bit comes from Larry Tee and someone from (I think) International DJ Gigolos arranging the "Electroclash" happening as some sort of, you know, trans-Atlantic summit -- only the "clash" part turned out to be a bit prescient and the collaborative aspect of it went all wrong and the other half pulled rancorously out and it wound up being just a Larry Tee thing. Which has resulted in two horrible things about the title, see: (a) it seems to peg just Larry's particular axis as "electroclash," leaving out the whole other axis that it was meant to be "clashing" with in the first place, and (b) it keeps leading everyone to think that it has something to do with electro "clashing" with some other influence, such as let's say the Clash.

(Note that I may be completely wrong on the factual elements above, this is just half-remembered from reading something, somewhere.)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 1 December 2002 04:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I have some trouble w/ this term because to me "electro" is early '80s, stiff, machine-based hip-hop like Grandmaster "Scorpio" and "Planet Rock." I like Simon Reynolds' term "Nu-wave" (course you can only use that one in print) because most of what I've heard in this vein seems like it has a tighter connection with new wave than electro proper.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 1 December 2002 05:34 (twenty-three years ago)

But you can accept a genre evolves Mark? House and techno have varied wildly in meaning over the years and between places. I think electro is open to the same mutations.


Larry Tee did come up with the term. It was for the festival he put on last year. I remember reading that Adult in particular were superartschoolhorrified! when it became a genre name saying their sound pre-dated the term.

Ladytron are another lot who could be said to pre-date the whole thing.

I'm hesitant about using the term electroclash because, as Nabisco says, it points to the more scenster side of things. Yes Williamsburg, but also a lot of the bad posing that goes on in Hoxton in London.

Anna (Anna), Sunday, 1 December 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Are Slint post rock?

meirion john lewis (mei), Sunday, 1 December 2002 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Since they predate postrock, they are therefore rock.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 December 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Westbam, I-F, Telefunken, Funkstörung, Console, or any of the other older German and Dutch electro bands?

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 1 December 2002 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

dare! dare!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 December 2002 00:37 (twenty-three years ago)


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