inspired by my browsing youtube in private mode so as not to fuck up my sidebar recs and getting a rick beato video titled "Today's Lyrics Are Pathetically Bad" recommended on the sidebar
for the record the video it's recommending me this on is a live version of "dazed and confused"
helpfully genius has transcribed complete lyrics for the live version of "dazed" on "the song remains the same":
[Instrumental Intro 00:00-01:40][Verse 1]I've been dazed an' confusedSo long it's not trueI wanted a woman, never bargained for youNow lots of people talkin', pretty few of them a-knowSoul of a woman was created below, that's rightYou're the one, you're the one[Verse 2]Oh, everybody's been talkin', LordI swear they been talkin' trash (trash)The way that ya push, push, push, push, push, push me darlin'I can't take too much of thatSo c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon whoah darlin' show me the wayI wanna make love to ya, little girl, twenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveOhhhhhhh[Verse 3]Said you hurt an' abuse, tellin' all of your liesI try to quit you, baby, but ya keep meMa-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-mesmerizedSo c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, say what you willI wanna make love to ya again, darlin', twenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveAhhhhMa-ma-ma-maMa-ma-ma-ma-maSee rock shows near PortlandGet tickets as low as $42You might also likeDazed and ConfusedLed ZeppelinThe Ocean (Live)Led ZeppelinWhole Lotta Love (Live)Led Zeppelin[Instrumental Break/Guitar Solo 04:10-06:37]Oh, yeah[Verse 4]If you're goin' to San FranciscoBe sure to wear some flowers in your hairIf you're goin' into San FranciscoYou're gonna meet a lotta gentle people there ohhhEverywhere, everywhere, everywhere, oh hoEverywhere[Instrumental Break 07:15-07:50][Vocal Interlude]I know, I know, I know, I know, I knoowWhooooooooooaah, whooooooooooaahAhh, ahhh, ahhhAhhh, oohOoh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah ah, ah ah, ahAh, ah, ah, ah, ahh[Instrumental Break 08:34-13:46][Vocal Interlude]AhhhhhhAh ah, aah, ah, ah, ah, ahDun dun dun [repeated call-and-respond between Page and Plant]Ahhh, ahhh, ahhh, ahhh, ahh, ahhh, ahhhAh, ah ah ah ah ahhh ah ahPush, push, push, push, push, pushPush, push, push, push, ah, ahAhhAhUhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, ahh, ahhhOh[Instrumental Break/Guitar Solo/Vocal Improvisation 14:59-25:12][Verse 5]Oh everybody's been talkin', LordI swear they been talkin' trashThe way that ya push me darlin'Ya know I couldn't take too much of thatSo c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, show me the wayI wanna make love to ya little girl twenty fiveA-twenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveMa-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ahh[Instrumental Outro/Guitar Solo/Vocal Improvisation/Drum Solo 25:52-29:18]Ohhh, suck itYeahOhh[Spoken]Jimmy Page, electric guitar
[Verse 1]I've been dazed an' confusedSo long it's not trueI wanted a woman, never bargained for youNow lots of people talkin', pretty few of them a-knowSoul of a woman was created below, that's rightYou're the one, you're the one
[Verse 2]Oh, everybody's been talkin', LordI swear they been talkin' trash (trash)The way that ya push, push, push, push, push, push me darlin'I can't take too much of thatSo c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon whoah darlin' show me the wayI wanna make love to ya, little girl, twenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveOhhhhhhh
[Verse 3]Said you hurt an' abuse, tellin' all of your liesI try to quit you, baby, but ya keep meMa-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-mesmerizedSo c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, say what you willI wanna make love to ya again, darlin', twenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveAhhhhMa-ma-ma-maMa-ma-ma-ma-maSee rock shows near PortlandGet tickets as low as $42You might also likeDazed and ConfusedLed ZeppelinThe Ocean (Live)Led ZeppelinWhole Lotta Love (Live)Led Zeppelin[Instrumental Break/Guitar Solo 04:10-06:37]Oh, yeah
[Verse 4]If you're goin' to San FranciscoBe sure to wear some flowers in your hairIf you're goin' into San FranciscoYou're gonna meet a lotta gentle people there ohhhEverywhere, everywhere, everywhere, oh hoEverywhere
[Instrumental Break 07:15-07:50]
[Vocal Interlude]I know, I know, I know, I know, I knoowWhooooooooooaah, whooooooooooaahAhh, ahhh, ahhhAhhh, oohOoh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah ah, ah ah, ahAh, ah, ah, ah, ahh
[Instrumental Break 08:34-13:46]
[Vocal Interlude]AhhhhhhAh ah, aah, ah, ah, ah, ahDun dun dun [repeated call-and-respond between Page and Plant]Ahhh, ahhh, ahhh, ahhh, ahh, ahhh, ahhhAh, ah ah ah ah ahhh ah ahPush, push, push, push, push, pushPush, push, push, push, ah, ahAhhAhUhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, ahh, ahhhOh[Instrumental Break/Guitar Solo/Vocal Improvisation 14:59-25:12]
[Verse 5]Oh everybody's been talkin', LordI swear they been talkin' trashThe way that ya push me darlin'Ya know I couldn't take too much of thatSo c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, show me the wayI wanna make love to ya little girl twenty fiveA-twenty fiveTwenty fiveTwenty fiveMa-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ahh
[Instrumental Outro/Guitar Solo/Vocal Improvisation/Drum Solo 25:52-29:18]Ohhh, suck itYeahOhh
[Spoken]Jimmy Page, electric guitar
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:21 (seven months ago) link
and yes, definitely the best lyrics out of that set are:
See rock shows near PortlandGet tickets as low as $42You might also likeDazed and ConfusedLed ZeppelinThe Ocean (Live)Led ZeppelinWhole Lotta Love (Live)Led Zeppelin
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:22 (seven months ago) link
i like his classic song breakdowns but his comments on contemporary music are infuriating. he either hates or does not understand hip-hop, electronic, reggaeton, etc. and makes the same tired criticisms of the genres whenever they pop up. oh a hip-hop song uses a repetitive loop throughout, you say? a reggaeton song uses the reggaeton riddim? my stars!
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:36 (seven months ago) link
yeah he's honestly pretty knowledgeable about stuff within a certain genre but at this point his constant old-white-guy-isms...
all i can say to that is "ok boomer", even knowing that doing so makes me the middle aged white lady in 2003 talking about "bling bling".
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:47 (seven months ago) link
this man came of age in the "yummy yummy yummy i got love in my tummy" era, idk if lyrics today are much worse than that
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:53 (seven months ago) link
Earlier today I enjoyed his video about the James Bond theme. My knowledge of music theory is rudimentary at best, but I was mostly able to follow his analysis and it sort of made me want to learn more. He's a good teacher.
His tastes seem to be about what I'd expect from a guy his age, so yeah, not the first person I'd consult about new music. I get it, I'm old too.
― Brad C., Monday, 25 March 2024 21:54 (seven months ago) link
Mostly I'm annoyed when yt recommends his videos to me, but he's good when worshipping (white) jazz legends like Keith Jarrett, Mehldau, and Metheny.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:56 (seven months ago) link
I like his analysis just fine, I came across him at first because of those amazing videos of his son's perfect pitch. I started to really go off him when he went down the path of bitching on and fucking on about being demonitized or record companies/management blocking his shit, nobody cares.
― Maresn3st, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:58 (seven months ago) link
I love when http://www.youtube.com/@pat_finnerty rips on him
― Maresn3st, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:59 (seven months ago) link
even his classic rock breakdowns aren't all that interesting though. he has a great ear and an obviously deep well of musical knowledge but he rarely has anything to actually *say* about songwriting, which seems to be his greatest passion.
as youtube music geeks go, i much prefer adam neely, who's a deeper thinker, knows how to tell a story, understands other people's stories, and actually likes pop music.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:59 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAyxatBvKfg
― scott seward, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:04 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebwjOEqxYd8
― scott seward, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:06 (seven months ago) link
sorry, right, rick beato. he's annoying! not as annoying as the fantano guy but he's annoying for sure.
― scott seward, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:08 (seven months ago) link
I’ve been enjoying his recent interview series tbh. Nowhere near as annoying as his other material
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 25 March 2024 22:08 (seven months ago) link
it's cool to hear the stems and individual parts on all those songs, and his breakdowns of the chord progressions are enlightening, if not insightful. he never engages with the substance of the song, that's true
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 March 2024 22:10 (seven months ago) link
I bet you he hates "Yummy Yummy Yummy' though.
― Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.), Monday, 25 March 2024 22:13 (seven months ago) link
His dissections of contemporary music can be annoying, but not nearly as annoying as the video thumbnails for his dissections of contemporary music.
― MarkoP, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:14 (seven months ago) link
Like I feel like his videos are at least a little more nuanced and insightful than the titles and thumbnails have you lead to believe.
― MarkoP, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:15 (seven months ago) link
a lot of the titles of his videos are clickbait, though sometimes he does make interesting points. like there was one about how all 90s rock sounds alike, yeah okay sure it does blah blah blah but if you watch it it breaks down the various producers who were involved and the samples that wind up in a bunch of different recordings, which of course was not how things were done beforehand. it's kind of interesting. i'm lukewarm on him overall, but he's a pretty decent interviewer, one of the few who actually knows the subjects' records well
― frogbs, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:16 (seven months ago) link
another goofy looking guy makin faces for those youtube videos looking straight into my eyes, this is so up my alley
― brimstead, Monday, 25 March 2024 23:57 (seven months ago) link
I kind of thought his resume would be much more impressive based on his YT clout but nope, his discogs looks like any other mid-90s indie obscurity... his band that had the most exposure has never been mentioned on this board that claims to LOVE music.
https://i.imgur.com/JCHdVE5.jpeg
This sounds like a demo that our station would have received and get quickly tossed in the pile without making it to the airwaves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBDrUqJhMQ4
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:13 (seven months ago) link
He's rockist in predictable and boring ways, but I like his enthusiasm for stuff he likes. I've found some of his videos interesting, made me more aware of the architecture of a song. Also I thought his tribute to Mimi Parker was totally unexpected and really nice.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:11 (seven months ago) link
He surprises me sometimes. He once listed Curve as one of the best bass sounds of all time or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:13 (seven months ago) link
Yeah those are the times you remember he was in a '90s band.
He also reminds me of the Italian guys I grew up around in the Rochester suburbs (where he's from too). In good ways, mostly, the gregariousness and excitability.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:17 (seven months ago) link
this man came of age in the "yummy yummy yummy i got love in my tummy" era, idk if lyrics today are much worse than that― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili)
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili)
I bet you he hates "Yummy Yummy Yummy' though.― Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.)
― Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.)
dave barry declared it to be the second worst song ever... i do think of dave barry as sort of the canonical white male boomer in terms of musical taste
i looked up the song to see if anybody has confirmed or denied the allegations that it's about swallowing cum. wikipedia was silent on the fact but provides an all-time disambiguation page:
For the Julie London album, see Yummy, Yummy, Yummy (album). For the national anthem of Vanuatu, see Yumi, Yumi, Yumi.
anyway, what i did find is that "yummy yummy yummy" is a kasenetz-katz joint (unsurprisingly), written by artie resnick and joey levine. i don't know what exactly resnick's contributions as a songwriter are, since all of his songs are co-writes. joey levine i can get a better bead on, since he went on to be a jingle guy. i mean kind of a natural career path once you've done "yummy yummy yummy", the song's basically a jingle. i mean look at this guy's career, absolute fuckin' legend:
Starting in the early 1970s, Levine began working on jingles for television commercials, as well as singing on them, with one of his most well-remembered jingles being "Sometimes You Feel Like A Nut" for Mounds and Almond Joy chocolate bars.[4]
just for that alone levine's in my good book. one of my go-to orchiectomy jokes is based on that jingle.
Popular campaigns from the past include: “Pepsi – The Joy of Cola", "Gentlemen Prefer Hanes", "Just For the Taste of It – Diet Coke", "Orange you smart, (for drinking Orange Juice)", "Come See the Softer Side of Sears", "Heartbeat of America – Chevrolet", "Dr Pepper – You Make the World Taste Better", "You Asked For It, You Got It, Toyota," "Who's that Kid With the Oreo Cookie," and "This Bud's For You" for Anheuser-Busch, and also the infamous "Proud as a Peacock" image campaign for NBC used from May 1979 to Summer 1981
just wall to wall bangers here. (if anyone here hasn't seen the "WE'RE LOUD!" parody, please do - peak "dunking on fred silverman" shit. i'll always love fred silverman for orchestrating the rural purge, but his nbc was fuckin' _dire_.) i'm sure dave barry would make fun of someone who made his career writing ad jingles, except, well. if you look at the career of jake holmes, the folkie who wrote the original "dazed and confused", then he went on to write the "be all that you can be" jingle for the us army. to me, hating on someone who can write jingles like that, one's just showing one's ignorance. i didn't hear the "valumarket" jingle for 30 years, and the second somebody brought it up again, bam! right back in my head. i don't know who wrote that one, that one's a classic tho.
the point is even if the song's _not_ actually about fellatio, it can reasonably be interpreted to be about fellatio, and that makes it an all-timer in my book. even if the residents' version is probably technically better.
oh, also, i was once again reminded that the ohio express and the ohio players were two different bands.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:20 (seven months ago) link
basically what i'm saying is that rick beato, if you do a video talking about the genius of joey levine's jingle writing, all will be forgiven
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:21 (seven months ago) link
There were also (at least) three versions of Ohio Express: the original band which recorded their first single, the band hired to promote the single after the original band fell out with their record company and all their subsequent releases, the studio band who actually recorded all of their material (with Joey Levine on vocals). Oh and 10cc were Ohio Express for one single. I don't know who Dave Barry is but he's completely wrong about 'Yummy Yummy Yummy".
― Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:54 (seven months ago) link
Oh no, Kate, you can't defend the Rural Purge!
"Yummy Yummy Yummy" is definitely about swallowing cum. I think it is firmly in the tradition of Serge Gainsbourg's "Les Sucettes" and Annie's "Chewing Gum."
― Josefa, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:59 (seven months ago) link
I don't know who Dave Barry is but he's completely wrong about 'Yummy Yummy Yummy".― Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.)
dave barry is some american guy
named "dave"
i thought he was really funny when i was 12. he had a syndicated newspaper column. i remember his headshot in the newspaper column looking sort of like one of the wilson brothers, somewhere between brian and carl.
he had a sitcom too. like one that was supposedly "about" him. it ran for like three or four seasons. he was played by harry anderson from "night court". i don't think it had very much to do with dave barry's actual life.
Oh no, Kate, you can't defend the Rural Purge!― Josefa
― Josefa
well, maybe i won't, critique it and i'll listen :)
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:09 (seven months ago) link
btw while we're talking kasenetz-katz joints, i fucking love "1, 2, 3, red light" by the 1910 fruitgum company... talking heads' cover of that one is sooooo good
idk how i feel about how many of those bubblegum pop songs were kind of gainsbourgian. gainsbourg was a creep, and i don't like the idea of pressuring young women to put out that way. it's a good song, though.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:14 (seven months ago) link
Green Acres was still a viable show when cancelled - its reruns ran for YEARS - as was Hee Haw, as proven by its long afterlife in syndication. We did need more urban shows, but not at the expense of the classic rural shows.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:15 (seven months ago) link
Dave Barry played in a rock group with Stephen King and Amy Tan. I think he said "MacArthur Park" was the worst song ever, which is extremely wrong.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:18 (seven months ago) link
Rick Beatoff
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:18 (seven months ago) link
One of his videos was about why quantization makes modern music suck, contrasting Nickelback and Zep.
I really don’t think some natural swing was the missing piece to Nickelback.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:23 (seven months ago) link
He dislikes a lot of the same music I do, and for more or less the same reasons, but at least I try not to be a scold about it.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:23 (seven months ago) link
"Sometimes You Feel Like A Nut" for Mounds and Almond Joy chocolate bars."
i STILL sing this to this day. like, i was singing it two days ago. that's how genius it is. that's seriously like 50 years of me singing that jingle. peterpaulsalmondjoysgotnuts...mounds don't.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:24 (seven months ago) link
xps I used to find great joy in Dave Barry's columns in the Miami Herald back in the day, and he seems like a good guy, but he's the kind of Boomer who thinks the lyrics of "Hang On, Sloopy" are superior to the lyrics of "MacArthur Park."
― Josefa, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:25 (seven months ago) link
Calvin K. Kazanjian was the founder and president of Peter Paul Inc., the maker of the Mounds and Almond Joy candy bars, located in Naugatuck, Connecticut. For 30 years, he met and solved the problems of an ever-growing business.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a6c0f4_ef69d9a633994e54b32ca482643ff6fa~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_238,h_298,al_c,lg_1,q_80,enc_auto/a6c0f4_ef69d9a633994e54b32ca482643ff6fa~mv2.jpg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:25 (seven months ago) link
Just watched the Beato video where he takes down Jack Harlow and "Texas Hold 'Em," and have to say, at least he's punching upwards.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:27 (seven months ago) link
I think what's happening here is you have a guy who's only kinda annoying being forced into being really annoying by the YouTube algorithm
― frogbs, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:34 (seven months ago) link
i STILL sing this to this day. like, i was singing it two days ago. that's how genius it is. that's seriously like 50 years of me singing that jingle. peterpaulsalmondjoysgotnuts...mounds don't.― scott seward
― scott seward
mounds: yesnuts: no
i mean, batting two for two here
Green Acres was still a viable show when cancelled - its reruns ran for YEARS - as was Hee Haw, as proven by its long afterlife in syndication. We did need more urban shows, but not at the expense of the classic rural shows.― Josefa
mmmm i just don't know that commercial viability... i don't think of it as the be-all and end-all
like, for me, there's cultural impact to both the westerns and the rural sitcoms that followed them. bonanza? yes, great, classic all-time show, cancelling it for "being a western", that would be silly. the andy griffith show? same, fucking all-time. if the rural purge had cancelled the andy griffith show instead of, like, "mayberry rfd", i might have a problem with that.
i guess what i'd say is that i'd frame it more in terms of... like, the doctor shows. like, to me the problem with "the other martin loring" wasn't just that it was broadcast, it was that THIS FUCKING DR. KILDARE-ASS SHOW WAS STILL ON THE AIR IN 1973. Like WHAT THE FUCK. CBS had Mannix. NBC had the NBC Mystery Movie. ABC is showing fucking MARCUS WELBY, M.D.? That's pathetic. Completely pathetic. I'd rather watch "The Girl With Something Extra", even after learning that the "something extra" was ESP and not, like, a penis.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:51 (seven months ago) link
I think what's happening here is you have a guy who's only kinda annoying being forced into being really annoying by the YouTube algorithm― frogbs
― frogbs
forced "well, actually" is my least favorite sexual fetish
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:52 (seven months ago) link
I didn't know he was in a band I sorta like that YouTube song you posted lol
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 03:31 (seven months ago) link
xp i raced my bike in naugatuck once it was kinda terrifying. the town seemed kinda post-industrial-washout consistent tho
yeah, that's a hell of a jingle. "you asked for it-- YOU GOT IT, TOYOTA!" was WAY more immense. it owned all media. everywhere. all the time. it owns me. now.
― schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 04:24 (seven months ago) link
he should go full inverse maron and do a tight 5 after each interview
― 145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 05:30 (seven months ago) link
there was that time he spent years practicing chord identification with his son who later turned out to not really be interested in music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Cb1qwCUvI
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 08:34 (seven months ago) link
the YouTube ecosystem needs Beato to feel like the teacher so people like Neely and Finnerty can feel like your peers
― ን (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 15:19 (seven months ago) link
i basically know this guy only from pat finnerty videos but his signature lp special is rad imo
https://images.ctfassets.net/m8onsx4mm13s/3l9hCDnmmlh9da4eD9kf3K/6169e1577647e4b25be663352bd3732a/LPSDB21BMNH1_front__1_.png
― memphis milano: the new trend of the 80s (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 15:27 (seven months ago) link
i think i also have a bias against someone like rick beato because of my occupation. 9 out of 10 times people similar to him (dude dad musos) will come in and grill me about my receiver and my speakers - things i have no interest in other than i know what sounds good to me - and then they will leave. without ever buying anything.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 16:35 (seven months ago) link
I think I'm right in saying that for a lot of music tuition youtubers - and especially in the guitar world - the real money they're making is not from adverts or patreon or sponsored videos or paid promo or whatever but from selling courses off the back of their channel. Rick's approach to this has long been something called the Beato Book which he sells at fifty bucks a pop, and if you've ever wondered whats actually in it, here's a review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EfLcFImdg8
conclusion: lol, no thanks pal
― Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:22 (seven months ago) link
@ Jordan I've done this kind of thing a few times! 17-tuplets usually are the move, it doesn't take a lot of deviation to make the MIDI playback work. I did "Hwwambo" a few years back, that was a trip, I just wanted to see what the "rolling egg" rhythm looked like mathematically. I think it'd be an interesting educational exercise to create "new clicks" for drummers to practice to, instead of straight metronomical things.
I don't remember what song it was, but I noticed, a decade ago, on a song I liked, that the third beat (of four) always dropped 10bpm, to create this buoyancy. I wanted to recreate that feel on a recording. I made a click that reflected the 10bpm drop and tried to have my drummer play along to it. He hated that! We ended up tracking the whole thing straight (no click). I beat mapped it, snipped all the audio regions at the transient of beat four, and then moved everything to create that 10bpm dip, artificially. The result was great! A gorgeous gravity-defying swing, it sounded like playing jumprope with a hawser
Haha, see I still just think of this (visually in a DAW) as nudging the note to a non-discrete position before or after the beat line. These days I see that in my head even when I'm playing drums sometimes. Like, in that situation I would create my own 'click' track that way, turning off the quantization and moving samples or midi notes around. It probably would end up sounding the same (or extremely similar) as doing it with a crazy subdivision or floating master tempo, so whatever works for you!
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:29 (four months ago) link
i think that's true, one of my big problems has always been talking about my interests with other people, because my interests are niche and obscure enough that people don't know what i'm talking about most of the time
i'm not saying that as a hipster thing, i just, like, can't talk about fire-toolz with most people i know
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:50 (four months ago) link
Isn't losing touch with new music a part of 'getting old' that existed long before Napster or Spotify?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:58 (four months ago) link
If anything, the ready availability of music has stemmed that tide for me - I don't have to try to make it to a record store to spend $20 on one album and hope it's good or choose the release from the genre/band I know I like so I'm not wasting money. ("New music" is an amorphous concept now, though - I don't really care what year it was released in, if it's inside of 5 years old and I haven't heard it I'm calling it new.)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:03 (four months ago) link
I watch too many youtube music reaction videos, it's a problem I have. There are loads that are terrible, and they all choose the same fucking songs/artists to react to - otoh even some very well known music from as recently as 10 years back will be completely off their radar. Then there are a few - like about five - halfway decent ones, they go out of their way to find different choices (I can imagine the crowds of patreon supporters begging them to do "bulls on parade" or "time" or fucking "rich men north of richmond" so it must take some willpower) and - most importantly - they connect on a deeper emotional level with the music, explore it from different angles, are even open to exploring why they dislike it if that's their reaction. This is what I do not get from beato or fantano, from both I just get smug detachment, their analysis just to prove themselves as alpha dog critics.
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 11 July 2024 20:33 (four months ago) link
I was looking for the Toadies "Possum Kingdom" video so I could momentarily relive 1996 and found that two of the original Toadies (bass and drums) have a reaction channel. I didn't watch any but it's cool that they're doing it. If Kim and Kelley Deal put up a reaction channel I would definitely like and subscribe.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2024 20:37 (four months ago) link
started 2 Beato videos finished 1 - the Mills interview. the other one was a deconstruction of Kiss From a Rose. It wasn't exactly 'bad' but something felt off. My tolerance for YouTubers is so low that its 32 min length and the dry, well-filmed professionalism of the whole thing - halfway through he needs an answer to something so he *phones Seal* on facetime, as you do if you're Beato I guess? - just put me off. youtube hasn't got the message.
F@ntano can get fucked the bland ignorant bastard with the contemptuous reach.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 11 July 2024 21:46 (four months ago) link
"I watch too many youtube music reaction videos, it's a problem I have."
I never would have thought that "African American couple validate white indie rocker's nostalgic music tastes on video by saying things like *OMG, Weezer are fire!*" would be a successful business model but that's America for you. more power to them.
― scott seward, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:33 (four months ago) link
Ken Tamplin's are hilarious
― rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:39 (four months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=230dJXnnW1M
― brimstead, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:41 (four months ago) link
I've only watched one Beato video all the way through...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Mj4Nv_ip0
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 July 2024 23:33 (four months ago) link
The Beatotudes
― rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 July 2024 23:40 (four months ago) link
"take a walk on the wild side" as a classic rock slogan is still weird for me. i mean, yes, i know "Here comes Johnny Yen again/With the liquor and drugs and the flesh machine" was used to promote Carnival Cruises. they just always act in those classic rock radio ads like "take a walk on the wild side" is about getting on your harley and going to sturges and it's kind of, uh, the opposite of that?
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 12 July 2024 01:59 (four months ago) link
It’s like the far right parties in the UK/US taking songs like “killing in the name of” as anthems, completely oblivious what the actual song stands for.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 12 July 2024 02:07 (four months ago) link
Did you know that song is in Phrygian mode tho
― Europe, where they eat flowers (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 12 July 2024 02:32 (four months ago) link
Shades of John Philip Sousa
https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2024/07/separated-by-more-than-a-century-two-musicians-share-a-complaint.html
― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Monday, 15 July 2024 16:59 (four months ago) link
https://i.postimg.cc/50PhkhgC/111726.jpg
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 15 July 2024 17:08 (four months ago) link
my final thought on all this: stop treating music like sports.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 15 July 2024 17:09 (four months ago) link
sousa's portuguese and german heritage led him to the siren song of the tuba. that and his dad made him join the marine band when he was 13.
seriously though the death of music is so last on my list of things to worry about.
i do hope that AI and new tech makes music mutate into something unrecognizable because i'm so sick of hearing bad disco in the club scenes on sci-fi shows. people would be listening to nothing but sine waves by then i hope.
― scott seward, Monday, 15 July 2024 17:14 (four months ago) link
xpost bendy―none of this advanced cynicism has anything to do with your post or that piece. this is just dumb and i really do want to see beato+fantano porn. at least that would be something new.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 15 July 2024 17:14 (four months ago) link
sure let's talk about john philip sousa but not walter benjamin lol
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 15 July 2024 17:34 (four months ago) link
Kenny Aronoff is much maligned (maybe mostly for his time as touring dude with the silly glasses in the Smashing Pumpkins), however:
-He did a performance at the Jewish summer camp I went to as a kid and basically inspired me to play drums
-Later on he was giving lessons at a local music store for a day, and had me play a beat and called every snare hit I played as 'behind', 'ahead', 'on it'. It seemed like black magic as a high schooler but makes perfect sense in retrospect, also that it would be one of the most important things for someone like him.
(haven't watched the interview that's been forcibly popping up in my recommendations)
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 19 July 2024 15:57 (four months ago) link
Looks like our guy is healing up from heart surgery
https://www.threads.net/@rickbeato1/post/C9nvFXkObcz/
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 20 July 2024 00:15 (four months ago) link
This is the best music instruction video in existence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_8iD5xS1hI
― Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 July 2024 00:52 (four months ago) link
was it doing odd meters? xpost
― StanM, Sunday, 21 July 2024 11:53 (four months ago) link
i enjoyed that piece bendy, idk much about sousa, thanks for posting
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 July 2024 12:33 (four months ago) link
that article bringing up player piano rolls makes me wonder: are there revenue channels for midi sequences?
― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Tuesday, 23 July 2024 17:04 (three months ago) link
MIDI packs are definitely targeted at wannabe producers for ridiculous prices.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 July 2024 17:14 (three months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50m2Q7wPUFg
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 July 2024 17:15 (three months ago) link
sample packs and midi packs seem to be a big part of how a lot of electronic musicians stay afloat
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 July 2024 23:51 (three months ago) link
that unison beatdown -- haven't watched it all but wow, fascinating. Gotta be similar scams for every daydream career that can be done digitally.
― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Friday, 26 July 2024 19:38 (three months ago) link
In photography and video there are all the Make It Look Like Kodachrome products but those are at least legitimately useful and sometimes expand on the built in capabilities of Lightroom/etc..
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 26 July 2024 19:46 (three months ago) link
"Why Shrek? (with Anthony Fantano and Vera Drew)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLkThpZqg4o
Congratulations, Youtube channel This Exists, I am now having to say "This Exists" about the videos you yourself are making. I really, really, really was not expecting that to be a thing. All I was trying to do was explain to people that Donald Duck was a Nazi. OK, he wasn't really a Nazi, it was all a bad dream, in reality he bombed Tokyo in the Doolittle Raid, but you know. It's a meme.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 25 August 2024 18:57 (two months ago) link
Rip on the guy all you (all) want, but I like that he goes from interviewing Kenny Aronoff to Tony Levin to Rick Rubin to Tori Amos. Some of these guys, like Rubin, are almost professional interview subjects, but someone like Levin or Amos, you just don't see many mainstream longform interviews with them.
And jumping back to Jordan:
The Aronoff interview is really great. He seems exhausting as a person, but I gained a newfound respect for the guy and his work ethic/education. Insane to learn that back at Indiana he was being tested by playing violin pieces on vibes (iirc). It's also one of the rare interviews I've seen that addresses appearance (which matters, even if most musicians don't address it) and health and fitness (which also matters, especially if you are 71, like Kenny).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 October 2024 19:41 (one month ago) link
i like beatos long form interviews
― lil $CHUB (Spottie), Thursday, 17 October 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link
Beato interviewing people who make boring music (and Tori Amos) is a very on brand.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 October 2024 21:24 (one month ago) link
I don't understand how you could look at the hundred or so people he has interviewed and conclude that Tori Amos is the only one of them to not make boring music.
― bbq, Thursday, 17 October 2024 21:58 (one month ago) link
Probably because I’m just looking at the names recently mentioned in this thread, Rick.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 October 2024 22:54 (one month ago) link
Sorry I’m not taking the Bad Rick Interviews Even Worse Rick show seriously.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 October 2024 22:55 (one month ago) link
Fairplay. But Tony Levin has an amazing discography. I would be shocked if you didn't like a single record that he has been on.
― bbq, Friday, 18 October 2024 00:32 (one month ago) link
Imagine how much more sense the world would make if this happened instead. pic.twitter.com/YKhUuZnW3y— Benn Jordan (@bennjordan) October 19, 2024
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 October 2024 17:01 (one month ago) link
This 90 minute Rick Wakeman interview slash autobiographical outpouring is fan-friggin’-tastic. The details about sessions alone are great!
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 17 November 2024 05:32 (four days ago) link
Sorry I’m not taking the Bad Rick Interviews Worst Rick Of All show seriously.― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 October 2024 23:55 (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 October 2024 23:55 (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
tbf i have this bookmarked to watch properly, it's surely long enough to dig in a bit past RB's poorly timed gurning and RW's trademark affable moaning into at least a little concrete music-talk
― mark s, Sunday, 17 November 2024 10:29 (four days ago) link
RE’s “affable moaning” doesn’t come in until the last few minutes. Good stuff beforehand.
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 November 2024 01:08 (three days ago) link
Rubin is the worst Rick of all FWIW, I have no opinion of Wakeman
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 18 November 2024 06:27 (three days ago) link
lol, the biggest dork move of all was Beato releasing a video some weeks back whose whole gist was him whining that he would never interview David Gilmour because legacy artists and their handlers at that level don't know his reach. Well, go figure, the whine fest worked! Looking forward to watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OazxoPRK8
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 01:08 (yesterday) link
I'm curious if any of the other Rick Beato defenders in this thread took music lessons as youths. He has such music teacher energy to me. I get that he comes across as a dorky music know-it-all, but i happened to have spent a lot of time with dorky music know-it-alls growing up, so i find it kind of nostalgic.
― bbq, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 01:35 (yesterday) link
I took music lessons as a kid *and* I take music lessons as an adult. While I never thought about, his music teacher energy is partly what makes him a good interviewer, imo. He listens, he's generally not judgmental, he's patient, he's enthusiastic. Those are all good characteristics of a music teacher. (And, for that matter, for a producer/engineer, as anyone who has spent time in a studio can attest.)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 01:48 (yesterday) link
hah never realized it, but yes, he is very similar in personality to my former guitar teacher
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 02:05 (yesterday) link
The Wakeman interview is pretty good, lots of entertaining stories about his early studio sessions, a few bits of piano and Hammond organ playing (the latter is especially interesting and impressive), and only a few questions from Beato, mostly about studio techniques of the 60s and 70s. It falls off at the end when Beato asks for Wakeman's take on the music industry in 2024, but otherwise it's entertaining, and some of it is valuable oral history unlikely to be captured except in this kind of interview.
― Brad C., Wednesday, 20 November 2024 03:28 (yesterday) link