Why In The Name Of All That Is Holy Does Anyone Like Built to Spill?

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Apologies to Tom for stealing his La's subject line. But the question still stands.

Melissa W, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They are the next generation of band that says "let us not be afraid to play our instruments well." That's why.

JM, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Uh, Mel, wanna tell us why you don't?

Sterling Clover, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Very nice Sterl.

JM, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Annoying vocals, unremarkable melodies, self-consciously clever lyrics, capable of rending the world's most annoying sounds out of a guitar...

Melissa W, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

There's Nothing Wrong With Love is one of my favorite albums ever. Doug Martsch's voice is even more ingratiatingly nerdy than Elliott Smith's, but I dunno, I've hung in with it. And on that album at least, I think he finds a good balance with the lyrics - they're so descriptive and strange but at heart you know he's just an ol' piner like Jonathan Richman.

If it came down to your life or mine, I'd do
the stu
pid thing
And let you keep on living
And let you keep on living
And let you keep on living

Tracer Hand, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Among BTS fans, I think there are early and late period types. Me? I find the early period to be something annoying done well, and the late period removing that "something annoying" part. Perfect From Now On is an excellent album, transforming guitar-work into the heart of the songs, rather than as a showoff addendum. The melodies are less important than the transformation of texture over the scope of entire tracks, and broader structure. The lyrics? I don't know what they mean, and that's half the fun. I like BTS because they demand attention, hold it rapt, and give it back gently after a proper span of time. They are comfort music.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I bought Keep It Like a Secret upon a recommendation. I think I've listened to it once, and while I didn't flat out hate it I wasn't impressed enough to play it ever again.

Long way of saying that I'm an agnostice re Built to Spill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think I've mentioned this somewhere before on this board, but "Perfect From Now On" was my "Loveless". At least, until I bought Loveless, that is. On first listen it sounded huge, enveloping, evolving and intimate at once. For about two weeks, I cherised every moment on that disc and played it whenever I could. Now, while I can still happily listen to the whole thing on occasion, it fails to move me as it once did. Nonetheless, one of my best musical experiences. I continue to love "There's Nothing Wrong with Love" though- the converse of the epic PFNO- it's cute, irreverant, charming and sincere. "Car" and "Twin Falls" are some of my favourite songs. I like "Keep it Like a Secret", don't play it very often though.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i was planning on doing a subject like this for modest mouse who i find to have even fewer charms than built to spill, but both bands seem to have ingratiated themselves into the emo/indie rawk pantheon and with such status appear to be above criticism even though they are each dull, unimaginative, hardly stirring and dirgey. they are playing new bts songs quite regularly on the college station here and it is always preceded with the most astonishing hyperbole and when i hear it i think they must have put on the wrong song. they are hefner's favourite band which makes me pause and sometimes reconsider my love for hefner. in fact a lot of bands i like seem to love bts, oh well.

keith, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Regardless of where the subject line came from on these boards I'd like to think it's a reference to David Ogden Stiers in "Better Off Dead."

But anyway, I almost did a Taking Sides: BTS vs. MM, the comparisons are apt; Sterling has done a good job of explaining why BTS matter to those to whom they matter. Excepting the lyrics not meaning anything discernable, the argument fits MM as well, although I find them comforting the same way the Smiths or early Talking Heads are comforting.

Back to BTS: I can see the appeal to Darren Hayman -- at least in the vocals. ;) But yes, the hyperbole is distracting, but, um, in the indie rock/emo world who else in top of that heap besides those two (and maybe the Dismemberment Plan)? Death Cab for Cutie? Burning Airlines?? The Get-Up Kids?!?

wow, I'll all over the place here.

scott p., Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Keith, it's funny you should mention Modest Mouse, coz they supported Built to Spill when they played here! Anyway, Built to Spill are a good band, "Perfect From Now On" is the ultimate falling asleep to album, I've spent many afternoons drifting off to it. The lyrics are quite minimal, maybe a little OTT, but there's nothing wrong with that.

james e l, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

_Perfect From Now On_ is a treat. So is what I've heard of the later stuff, so I like them because they're pleasant.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They seem pretty meaningless

maryann, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Who said meaning had anything to do with it?

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Actually, Scott, I might put the Get Up Kids up there before Modest Mouse. I mean for one, they have a song called "I'm a Loner Dottie, A Rebel," and on the other they have some time shifts in their songs that are just amazing...

JM, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Because they are from Boise, ID.! That's a good enough reson to like anything. They play free shows at BSU (Boise State University). Boise is the biggest, rockin'est town in Idaho, any band from there will blow your mind! Listen to CLOCK also, another ace Boise group.

1 1 2 3 5, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Jimmy: The Get-Up Kids I've heard seemed like sub-Weezer. Which tracks would you recommend?

scott p., Wednesday, 30 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Scott -- The are like Weezer... I found them back when there was the Great Weezer Drought. Along with Sloan. But anyhoo...

'Central Standard Time' is great, they do some great covers ('Regret' by N.O. and 'Close To Me' by The Cure) and 'I'm A Loner...' and the album Four Minute Mile are all good places to start.

They're one of those bands that hits the spot if you don't have to pay much for their albums (used! Napster!). You can find a lot of the stuff off their split singles and such off Gnutella or Napster or whatever program works these days.

JM, Wednesday, 30 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Because their songs are amazing.

Tim Baier, Wednesday, 30 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Modest Mouse are great, and so are BTS.

My brain is a cliff and my heart is the bitter buffalo, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Okay, BTS fans, today I came thisclose to buying "Ancient Melodies of the Future"- should I have walked out the store clutching the jewel box to my chest? ( I had a dream that I bought it and didn't like it much, except for one great track. Only in Dreams?)

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

imagine living in the college town that spawned REM and casually going to the record store the day the new built to spill comes out. 'what are all these crowds, eh?', you wonder. and then you see them all holding the same damned album. imagine leaving in disgust. built to fucking spill, even the name says WE ARE AN ASS INDIE BAND.

ethan, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Oh, Christ. Don't let the Indie Nation get you down. Even the Great Unwashed stumble upon a Good Thing once in a While. Widespread popularity != crap. If that were the case, the NYLPM Mafia wouldn't have anything good to say.

_There's Nothing Wrong With Love_ = beautiful naivete. _Perfect From Now On_ = epic modesty. _Keep It Like A Secret_ = melding of the previous two albums, leaning towards _Perfect_'s grandeur. I'd avoid the _Live_ album, unless you're a super-fan, or it's really cheap. And, live, they can get a bit ... unwieldy. But that's why Robert Johnson invented CDs.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Dunno if Mitch finally got 'Ancient Melodies' yet or not, but FWIW, and I really enjoy it thus far. It's unmistakingly BtS, in that there's nothing drastically new with their sound. In fact, I find it to be quite similar to 'Keep it Like a Secret', but I think it demands less patience from the listener than KiLaS, more instantly gratifying. Plus, 'The Weather' is my favourite song this year.

alex in montreal, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Nope, haven't bought it yet. I did have another dream about it, though. Thanks for your thoughts, Alex. C'mon foax, more opinions!

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Melissa, what's wrong with self-consciously clever lyrics? I always thought clever was a good thing, and how can you be clever w/o being self-conscious?

tha chzza, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I love love love Built to Spill, though I don't have Ultimate Alternative Wavers, their first album -- but who does? -- or the new one, yet. Doug Martsch gets a lot of stick for having bum lyrics, but I think loads of them are certifiably brilliant. Plus having Scott Plouf, pop's most creatively understated drummer, can't hurt. I do like Get-Up Kids, but I feel vaguely dirty for doing so -- they do live in Weezer's considerable shadow. Borrow Something to Write Home About if only for the amazing "10 Minutes", which had possibly the best opening of any song last year. Then borrow the Red Letter Day EP -- both are better starting places than 4-Minute Mile, if my opinion is to be believed. If I'd bought the Jimmy Eat World today, I'd have something to say on whether they're the saviours of emo or whatever, but no. Anyone on here heard Cave-In? They're my vote for best of the current crop of post-hardcore bands. Their newest album is unreal. But I think the Plan and Death Cab are great as well.

Matthew Lazowski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Saw them once live. Thought running through my mind: "Blimey, Michel Foucault started a rock band." This should be a good thing alas theory was once again more interesting than praxis. What a misanthropic little tosser that singer is.

Omar, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Incidentally, I *do* own "Ultimate Alternative Wavers". But you probably shouldn't, it isn't very good.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Revive

I used to like BTS but didn't play them forever. Put on some of their stuff recently and Dougie's voice annoyed the hell out of me so I sold what stuff of theirs I had. I guess my vote now would be Dud.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I actually like BTS somewhat, but hold them personally responsible for inspiring a legion of shit bands from the NW.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Perfect From Now On" is the ultimate falling asleep to album,

???? you need to listen to more music.

they sound like hippie jam band music to me now after seeing them live. Every song does not need to last for 10 minutes! I still kind of like Perfect from Now On but I sold everything else. The early stuff is really horrible, that "Twin Falls" song makes me cringe. "Keep It Like A Secret" was just boring. The last record was painfully bad. Turn into Phish already, BTS, I know you want to.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I bought Ultimate Alternative Wavers back when it came out, when BTS were (for a week or so) being billed as the next Pavement (this was at a time when every week saw a new next Pavement). I remember two decent songs: one a VU rip-off containing the phrase "say a prayer for Charlie Brown." The other (it's been ten years, so I can't remember much) sounded vaguely like something from The Yes Album. Had no interest whatsoever in anything they've released since.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There is Nothing Wrong With Love is a great album, that and the live one are the only ones I know. Sharp lyrical detail, good melodies, great guitar playing. And the structure of "In the Morning" is so great, how it goes from this twee indie thing to oceanic rock then stops unexpectedly.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

TINWWL is my favorite, but I never understood the love for PFNO (it wanders around too much and the journeys never pay off). The last two have high points, but are overrun with middling material.

Haven't heard the live one, but live albums rarely impress me anyway.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's great, is what i'm trying to say. Great.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dlp: that's "Nowhere Nothing Fuck Up," and the song isn't really a "rip-off" of "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'"; it is referencing the song in a couple of clever ways.
Anyways, total CLASSIC as far as I'm concerned.
I think "Car" is one of the best indie rock songs ever.
And they play amazing covers. Sole-seak their cover of Macy Grey's "I Try" or Sabbath's "Mr. Crowley" or "Take the Money and Run" or "Police and Thieves" or "Dream Police."

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks to google, the dregs of my long-term memory, and nice people who post lyrics, the other decent song from UAW is "Three Years Ago Today."

dlp9001, Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not a fan, but I'm moving to Boise in April, and you have to declare Martsch Love before you can own property.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Thursday, 1 January 2004 02:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

there's nothing clever or self-conscious about their lyrics

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 1 January 2004 02:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well, there was that "you were right" song. that song was pretty neat-o.

i like 'em cuz girls like em?

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 1 January 2004 03:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"You Were Right" always struck me as sort of gimmicky for Doug, whom I respect quite a lot. For crying out loud, it caused a legal ruckus with the Hendrix estate, if I remember correctly.

Saw him at a Modest Mouse gig last month at the place where he used to tend bar. The BTS/MM connection is still thriving, apparently.

M Deeds, Thursday, 1 January 2004 05:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

it's called You Were Right? that's the "you were wrong when you said" one?

i love that song so much. i'm just revisiting Keep it like a secret and i think i really like this album... iiinteresting. i think they're like my one CollegeBoyRock band that i like

Surmounter, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love that song too-- great lyrical gimmick.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Keep It Like a Secret = all about song architecture. Half of the praise I can formulate for it involves words like organized, built, constructed, scripted, arranged, etc. Lots of praise to offer for the hook-writing, and the kind of loose, rangy mood of it -- especially when it's rangy and peppy both -- but the organization of parts is the real miracle with it (and probably a lot of what makes me love it and rather dislike the more shapeless Perfect From Now On).

I would do a typical multi-paragraph post but some asshole just did something involving some really stank seafood in the work kitchen.

nabisco, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Perfect From Now On has aged well.

chaki, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was hella into these dudes when i was around 18, which was the perfect time for a "wow maybe punk rock lied to me when it said guitar solos were lame" moment. now that i've listened to enough other awesome guitar jam music bts don't really do a ton for me, but there's nothing wrong with love is an a+ 90's indie guitar pop record and there's good shit scattered all across their catalog.

pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I get the feeling I'd go completely apeshit for this band, someone plz confirm/deny

Just got offed, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You will. You really, really will.

humansuit, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 17:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xp - "dystopian dream girl," right?

pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When TNWWL came out I thought on the evidence of the first 5 songs that he was gonna be like the great rescuer of inventive guitar songwriting a la Big Star, early XTC and the like.

Perfect From... was an amazing symphonic texture record, but I def. agree that Keep It... brought the song-spark again in a big way. Then... oh well.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost M@tt-- really? Errr. I should try it some more I suppose...

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think it was maybe the genuinely boring latest album made it seem a lot better in retrospect (man i convinced my self i liked you in reverse when it came out but that has not aged well at all)...also "fly around you pretty little miss" is one of their great pop songs, it was weird, it seemed like a throwback to nothing's wrong w/love. maybe it was an old song they had been sitting on for awhile.

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

otm re: "pretty little miss"

pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Louis, get 'perfect from now on', its wonderful. very lush, very prog, but great songs. their earlier stuff is good too. haven't been interested in much since keep it like a secret, but i had a horrible experience interviewing them around that time, which soured me on them.

stevie, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

really?? what was so sour?

Surmounter, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'd campaigned hard to get them into NME; finally got them a '10 Gallon Facts' feature, where you tell a band's story via ten interesting things about them (terrible format, but not too difficult to write around it). i think they were drunk or stoned or something, but doug evaded pretty much every question i'd asked, and was being an asshole, making constant reference to jerry garcia being his dad (he was pissed at an NME review that had referenced the Dead, i guess). by the end, the whole band were making jokes about giving jerry garcia blow jobs. it was probably quite funny from their end, but it was a total waste of my time, so i ended up writing the feature from a phoner i'd done with doug the year before. i also caught shit from my editor because it was obvious i was fleshing out a bad interview.

i wasn't too pissed off, really. but, having argued so hard for them in the office, and getting repaid with assholism, i've never felt a desire to write about them again. they're incredibly dull live, too.

stevie, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i enjoy them live

chaki, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i really wanted to. i love long guitar solos, but they were really underwhelming for me.

stevie, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 18:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah the actual guitar solos proper have never been a big draw for me with BTS. The rest of the guitar playing, though (ie the composed bits)-- magnificent.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 19:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

In America
Every puddle
Gasoline rainbow

Such a brilliant lyric.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 19:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"The Weather" is a gorgeous song:

As long as it's talking to you
Talk of the weather will do.

deusner, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 19:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'd definitely like to give them a go now. You mention 'Neil Young's jammier stuff' earlier on in the thread; interestingly, 65DOS, the English math-rock-prog-IDM-wank band I've been so enthusiastically promoting on ILM recently, have been trumpeting Young's 'Harvest' as their favourite new discovery, on account of its sound. Perhaps I too should investigate.

Just got offed, Thursday, 7 June 2007 00:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

LOL

chaki, Thursday, 7 June 2007 00:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'twin falls idaho' makes me go all funny inside everytime i hear it, too. that might be my favourite BTS. hard to believe, but Ben Folds Five's cover of the song is perhaps even better.

stevie, Thursday, 7 June 2007 11:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The album preview at the end of TNWWL is my favourite musical joke ever.

ledge, Thursday, 7 June 2007 12:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I know, I'm continually forgetting that "Midnight Star" isn't a real Bon Jovi song.

Jon Lewis, Thursday, 7 June 2007 12:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Jennifer Gentle played with them last night and told me they were really good. And friendly too.

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 7 June 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

uh, BTS is still awesome but

"In general, the Billboard.com report claims "the songs [on the new record] will be a mix between newly penned material and retooled tracks considered but ultimately dropped from...You in Reverse.""

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Z S, Thursday, 29 May 2008 06:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

I don't have any strong opinion about them. The big exception is the Caustic Resin collaboration e.p. that they did--which is totally great.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 29 May 2008 07:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

A lot of people are giving their one from last summer shit itt but come on Going Against Your Mind is a pretty fuckin good song.

Kath, Thursday, 29 May 2008 08:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

this thread's question has already been given its definitive answer way upthread.

Because they are from Boise, ID.! That's a good enough reson to like anything. They play free shows at BSU (Boise State University). Boise is the biggest, rockin'est town in Idaho, any band from there will blow your mind! Listen to CLOCK also, another ace Boise group.

-- 1 1 2 3 5, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (7 years ago)

J0hn D., Thursday, 29 May 2008 09:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

I may have skimmed the thread a big quickly, but does ANYONE like the Live album? I've always thought every song on there was far superior to their respective counterpart (except for, yknow, the cover, which also is awesome). I always seem on the wrong side of the fence re: Keep It Like A Secret vs. Perfect From Now On, too...

RabiesAngentleman, Thursday, 29 May 2008 09:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

This review might get the band some fans from a new generation?
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21096-theres-nothing-wrong-with-love/
good writing from richardson imo
band playing my city 7th of november, think I'll go but have a date w a girl not sure she's into indie rock...

niels, Friday, 23 October 2015 10:10 (three years ago) Permalink

That was nicely done

That album was so immediately obviously wallopingly special the minute it came out. By halfway through the first song even. It was my housemate's cd and then I went home to Minnesota for a week and missed the album so badly I bought my own

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 23 October 2015 22:58 (three years ago) Permalink

great album! feel like it is pretty ingrained in my brain from listening to it constantly for a while in 1996, so i don't really feel the need to listen to it much. but it is great.

tylerw, Friday, 23 October 2015 22:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah same. I memorized it and I never play it now

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 23 October 2015 23:23 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't get into them until Perfect From Now On, which will always be my favorite. But still, this is a mother of a record. Stab alone makes it a classic.

Ironically, the fake Built To Spill songs at the end of the record would probably have been bigger hits than anything they ever had.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 23 October 2015 23:38 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu4y2Jrp6zg

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Beast of Burden (The Rolling Stones)
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Sludgefeast (Dinosaur Jr.)
Abba Zaba (Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band)
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(Don't Fear) The Reaper (Blue Öyster Cult)
How Soon Is Now? (The Smiths)
Train in Vain (The Clash)
Age of Consent (New Order)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 05:45 (ten months ago) Permalink

Wow. Whatta setlist

Burru Men Meet Burryman ina Wicker Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 11:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

Was hoping tylerw has a soundboard recording...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 16:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

wow i really hated on them up above. I kind of stand by what I said, but I do like keep it like a secret more now. perfect is still a good album. not sure they needed to ever do anything else. I would still never go see them live again.

akm, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

I only saw them once about 1999ish not having heard anything by them before, and yeah they were pretty boring live although I really liked one of the songs, which turned out to be Car.

For me they've always been a band I like some songs by but in general not really into. I bought Keep It Like A Secret around the time I saw them live because it was getting rave reviews, which I found pretty baffling and tbh still do because I think it's probably my least favourite of the albums I've heard (hah reading upthread it may have actually been our stevie's review I was reading?)

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

i saw them live a few months ago and they were wonderful??? idk what y'all are on about

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

never seen them but would like to, tho i'm really only familiar with KILAS and PFNO. Martsch is a seriously underrated guitarist. like this video from last year of them playing "Else" just floors me. i know dude can shred but he's just really well rounded, i really dig this three-piece arrangement of the song, that we-ooh-we-ooh-we-ooh-we-ooh-we-ooh-oh lead sounds so much better when he's doing it. song needs that space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4JxIYuVwKw

flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 19:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

everybody knows build to spill rules and are great live, seen them twice, would love to see them again

niels, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 21:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

I saw them live in 2016 and they were trying out a power trio, which I didn't think worked so well. but some of the jams were indeed epic (goin' against your mind, holy crap)

porg and bess (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 22:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

my sister just shared this story with me:

so my good friend, _______, her and her husband’s family are HUGE bts fans. anyway, _______'s sister-in-law was dying of cancer, and the band was on tour but she was too sick to go to the concert. the family contacted doug and he came TO HER HOUSE and performed a private concert for her and the family. they said he was just the nicest guy. she passed soon after.

fgti spinner (Spottie), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

this has got to be the worst thread name on ilm

alpine static, Monday, 5 February 2018 19:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh shit doug martsch is the best

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

did old school ilx hate absolutely everything or what

global tetrahedron, Monday, 5 February 2018 20:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

i think so. it's crazy there's like 20 bts threads. i chose poorly, but i think this had the most recent updates idk.

fgti spinner (Spottie), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think it's nice to reclaim these threads with praise and love of music

I also think Doug Martsch seems like a great guy

and BTS rocks

niels, Monday, 5 February 2018 20:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

she told me that this morning and now im going through their whole discography, been a while

fgti spinner (Spottie), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Annoying vocals, unremarkable melodies, self-consciously clever lyrics, capable of rending the world's most annoying sounds out of a guitar...
― Melissa W, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

lol radiohead much?

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Monday, 5 February 2018 22:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

BTS is the Nicholson Baker of indie

calstars, Thursday, 16 August 2018 02:04 (two months ago) Permalink

They blame “both sides” for WWII?

empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Thursday, 16 August 2018 02:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh God

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 16 August 2018 03:50 (two months ago) Permalink


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