The 20 year recyle on the micro-scale

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With the re-advent of everything, every 20 years, it is obvious that this is no coincidence. But how functional can we get it? (Like Swing: 1935...,...,1995 revival was very weak implies exponential decay?) So, using current revivalist and re-revivalist trends please explain this phenomena on the single person scale.

As far as I have gone
person born at (year 0)
hyper aware of what's cool/has no real developed 'taste' though-will idolise these years (years 10-15)
Becomes in control of taste, begins creating music, (15-20)
refines asthetic to the once idolize genre, improves musicianship, image, commits seriously to music creation (20-29)
makes and the trends of of years 10-15 become new again. (year 30)

Can this become more specific? What kind of latency time can we estimate? Like today, do most 17 year olds see Nirvana as totally seminal because the cool generation just before them was into Nirvana and as a result should we expect a new punk rock/grunge revival explosion in 2011?

― ddd, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think it takes that long for musicians to come around - most of the time people listen to the 'cool' music at 13-16 and then at 17 they've got a good idea of what they want to sound like. Two or three years later they're touring. Some just start out listening to different music and having different friends- when I was in high school all the bands were grunge or jam acts, when I was in college they were all funk or ska, and I'm still the only person I know making music that sounds like Jeff Mills gone J-pop through a soundtrack machine. Obviously I've been listening to the cool shit and just haven't been discovered.

I completely lost the point of this post. Thank you.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 05:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom you have lost the point ... and it's a good thread.

(But in the meantime, where can we hear some of your Jeff Mills gone J-pop?)

― phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the cycle is ever shrinking. As we accelerate culturally, so does our regression. It will eventually come its full realization when you hear next week's top ten single on the oldies station.

Seriously though, dig how many threads have mentioned Soundgarden's Louder Than Love alb.
Bad example, that may have been Audioslave's doing.
But, really, there is already a renewed interest in grunge music. And dig how Sisqo used "Livin' La Vida Loca" in "Thong Song" the same way that some 70s singer-songwriter like Don McLean or Cat Stevens might've used a Bill Haley tune.

― Horace Mann, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

People all over the world, join in - get on a love train, lowowowowowowove traiyayayayyayain...

OK - not the song, but the stripes.

..Depends upon older influences/siblings ... view of older kids = cool -> romanticizing the era. View of older kids as dorks -> rebelling against that era ..

Age 0-10 - don't care - do whatever's trendy
10-14 - start to develop a style - but still based on someone else's influence.
14-18 - depends - 1. trying to fit in or 2. trying to be different?
....1. choose the era that is prevalent = era that is familiar to most people, although not fully understood. - e.g. hipies, 80s new wave.
2. choose an era that "no one else knows about" - e.g. 40s hot jazz, rockabilly.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"no one else knows about" let's face it = "no one else cares about"

― horace mann, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

"no one else knows about" = everybody else knows about, but you're only 20, so it seems arcane.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I also wrestled with a variant of this idea in This Thread
Feel free to steal ideas from it.

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 19 December 2002 03:31 (twenty-three years ago)

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