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A friend once told me about a guy she dated who called a record store to ask about applying for a job there. The proprietor told him that before he'd even agree to see him for an interview, he needed to answer the following question: In order (no cheating), what were the first five Rolling Stones LPs called? The guy -- who loved music and knew a lot about it -- couldn't name all five, and he didn't get the job.

Question One: Could you answer correctly? (Please don't post your guesses; I just want a yes or no answer here. No cheating.)

Question Two: If you were in charge of record-store human resources and you had to engage in such obnoxious "wheat/chaff separation" as part of the hiring process -- what $64,000 question would you ask?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Yes, but first I'd ask if he meant in the US or the UK (different answers).

2. I'd probably just ask "top five records". Quick & dirty way to get a sense of the person's taste. If they have an interesting list then they're probably significantly geeky to know helpful things like labels, release dates, etc. for a wide range of stuff.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:35 (twenty-three years ago)

1. no 2. What's Billy Connolly's surname? (hint: it begins with "connolly".)

naked as sin (naked as sin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeeze, I worked at a record store for 8 years and I'd probably fail that question. I was in charge of hiring people at that store for a number of years, and I never engaged in anything that stupid. People obsessive enough to be able to regurgitate that type of information off the top of their heads are often not the type of people you want talking to customers, if you want to keep your customers.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)

People obsessive enough to be able to regurgitate that type of information off the top of their heads

What on earth would be so bizarre about just happening to know the first five albums of one of the most popular and best-selling groups in the history of recorded music?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:39 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Yes, but first I'd ask if he meant in the US or the UK (different answers).
I would also accept that answer even if you attempted either and got them wrong. I'd also accept no, or just anything other then yes with the wrong five albums.
1. No.
2. R U OR have you ever been a Rockist? or Customer asks for Hootie & The Blowfish for his teenage daughter, you say?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:40 (twenty-three years ago)

If i was askd was i a rockist id vomit in his face.

naked as sin (naked as sin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd vomit in his face just for the shock value. Then I would urinate on the loss-leader display before tearing my resume to shreds.

And to answer the question.

1. Nope
2. Name the first five albums of one of the most popular and best-selling groups in the history of recorded music?

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:49 (twenty-three years ago)

you mean, FLEETWOOD MAC?!?!

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Couldn't answer the Stones question. I can name the first five Chicago LPs in order.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

2.The true test of your potential record store employees is to take them to the local college radio station and make him/her hang out there in the booth with the cool kids for three to four hours each night starting at 10 or 11 pm, until Friday, when he/she must go to the local mall record shop at peak time and strike up small talk with no less than twenty customers who are only looking for one particular chart-pop/R+B/Christian album which they completely passed by on the way in even though it was on the sale rack right up front.

After this, the person in question will know whether they really want the job or not, and you, the employer, will know that they are capable of holding up to the strain (at least for a week at a time).

1. No, because it was before I was born and ! I really can't be bothered with much beyond 'best of' collections in such cases, the question is ridiculous unless the whole store is some kind of guitar & yelling festival for collector scum anyway.

Tom Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

What on earth would be so bizarre about just happening to know the first five albums of one of the most popular and best-selling groups in the history of recorded music?
It's not bizarre, but I have serious doubts as to just how many people could answer this question, especially if they're younger than, oh, about 40. I guess it really depends on what type of store you have, what type of staff you're trying to cultivate and what type of clientele you're trying to build. I find that knowing the answer to something like that is far less important than the willingness to learn and to treat customers with the respect they deserve when they enter the store, whatever their tastes.

By the way, I just checked, and I got the first five albums wrong. I also got the first five Beatles albums in the wrong order. Does that mean I should never be let behind the counter of a record store again?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

1. I could probably name them, but I might get the order wrong. I'd be lucky that I've been reading about the Stones a lot lately.

2. I definitely wouldn't hinge it all on one question. We'd have ourselves a nice long chat.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

1) Yes, although I would ask whether he meant the US or UK releases -- and I'm not 100 percent sure about all five UK releases.

2) I like this answer, although I'd say "artists" instead of "groups": Name the first five albums of one of the most popular and best-selling groups in the history of recorded music?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

By the way, I just checked, and I got the first five albums wrong. I also got the first five Beatles albums in the wrong order.

How did you do with the Chicago?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

"Um, excuse me, i'm wondering if you could help me buy the first five Rolling Stones albums in order??"

If i had a dime for every saturday morning i heard THAT one hanging out in the shop!!! Hah!!

I would have said no and then asked him to name the first 5 Elvis records!

Phil Dokes (sunny), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Look, I never said I thought it was a good or important question to ask. I agree it is ridiculous, and offered an alternative in my initial post (if some magical "question" needs to be asked at all).

I merely took issue with your statement that People obsessive enough to be able to regurgitate that type of information off the top of their heads are often not the type of people you want talking to customers, if you want to keep your customers. I'm 30 now, but I could have answered that question when I was 17. I just happened to grow up a Stones fan. All of us on here know reams of trivia. Surely there is some band you're a fan of whose discography you can recite?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I think this is an interesting issue. Let's weigh the facts:

1) The Rolling Stones are without question one of the most popular acts of the rock 'n' roll era. Their records, even their new ones, sell well, and the band still manages to pack arenas on every tour.

2) Even though their first albums produced several hits, many music fans consider the Rolling Stones' peak between '68-'72 -- thinking of records like December's Children as singles vehicles and little else. And people from my generation (born in the '70s) are more familiar with the '78-'84 model, since that's what we heard the most on the radio growing up. Kids today ("kids today!!!") have no idea, obviously -- they've got plenty of music from their own generation, thank you.

3) Would Avril Lavigne be able to name a Rolling Stones song? And if not -- would you still consider her for a record store job?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:38 (twenty-three years ago)

1: No, but I could name every studio album they released in order from Between the Buttons all the way through at least Tattoo You.

2: Quick, who did Mick Jones play for? (If they answer 'The Clash' I use my better judgement. If they answer 'Big Audio Dynamite' I hire them. If they answer 'Foreigner' NO NO NO GET OUT OF MY STORE.)

3: Sure -- "House of the Rising Sun"!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:42 (twenty-three years ago)

1) I could probably name them, but I'd get the order wrong (hmmm. 1) England's Newest Hitmakers... 2) The Rolling Stones Now! 3) 12 X 5 4) Out of Our Heads 5) December's Children ??? Maybe reverse 3 and 4)


2) Fill in the blank - "Oh no! There goes Tokyo! Go go ________ !"

3) Duh - most record geeks are closet pedophiles anyway

James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Godzilla! (Do I get the job?)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:48 (twenty-three years ago)

see #3

James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

A friend of mine, screening applicants to assist a Famous Music Person, required them to answer the following three questions correctly:

1) What was the first widely successful hip-hop single?
2) What is the lead instrument in zydeco?
3) What country produces most rai music?

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I assume answering "who gives a toss?" wasn't the correct answer then?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair enough, Mr. D. A person who'd know that information may not be obsessive, they may just be someone who is lucky enough that the question asked happened to fall within their sphere of interest. It'd probably be more fair to say that someone who'd deny a person an interview for not getting that question right is the not the type of person you'd want to be working for.

Now, that said, I'd actually be interested in knowing how many ILXers whose tastes I respect and trust would know the answer to that question without having to look it up. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about music and I don't particularly consider it a failing that I didn't know it without looking it up. I find it interesting for the very reasons you state: the Stones are one of the biggest and longest-lasting bands on the planet, as are the Beatles....so WHY DON'T I KNOW THIS? I find that curious.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

You probably don't know it for the same reason most people here don't -- we don't own those albums. The only one I personally have is Aftermath, which is about where I'd say they became a real album band. The earlier records are fine, but the reality is that the assorted singles collections (I'm partial to the Hot Rocks volumes, but the London box set will do fine) give you most of the great Stones songs up 'til Aftermath. At least, that's my excuse.

Question I'd ask: Is Dylan a better singer or songwriter? There's no right answer as long as they can make a reasonable case.

Jesse Fox, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

My question: Name the first four Led Zepellin albums IN ORDER!

original bgm, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)

First five stones albums: Hot Rocks I-IV and By Her Majesty's Satanic Request!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:34 (twenty-three years ago)

1. What was unusual about initial vinyl pressings of Elastica's eponymous debut?

2. Why is The Wit & Wisdom Of Ronald Reagan considered by many to be a waste of money?

3. What's Python Lee Jackson's real name?

(and the clincher)

4. What time is love?

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:36 (twenty-three years ago)

i was given a test, but the only question i remember is i was asked to name as many Wu Tang members as i could

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 07:25 (twenty-three years ago)

1) No.
2) What you listening to at the moment?

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 07:38 (twenty-three years ago)

name the first 5 Jandek albums in order

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 07:46 (twenty-three years ago)

i definitely wouldn't be able to answer that question...
and mr diamond,i think the point being made was not that it was all that weird that someone could name the first five stones albums in order,(i'm sure we all have a store of far more obscure trivia),it was that it was unreasonable to expect someone to have that specific piece of knowledge,as opposed to,say,being able to name all celene dions albums or all the albums the beach boys released in the seventies

robin (robin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd be really really really impressed with someone who could name all of Celine Dion's albums.


Frank Kogan to thread!

James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Was it a second-hand record shop which did a good trade in classic rock?

The Music And Video Exchange in Notting Hill gives everyone who turns up a test and then gives the people who get a high enough score a trial day. But they are a chain.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe they were restocking the new reissues and he sincerely wanted to know

James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Couldn't they just look the titles up on the internet if they were that bothered?

Equivalent question in 1967: name Al Jolson's first five 78s.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:09 (twenty-three years ago)

But they were on the phone with a wouldbe employee and they only have one phone line cuz they're a small independent shop fighting the big boys just like Tom Petty said to!

James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

How about, instead of the "first five albums" question, getting potential employees to write a 200-word essay on Tom Petty? That would sort the wheat from the chaff!

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:19 (twenty-three years ago)

do you have a copy of that test tom?
i'd be curious to read it...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:54 (twenty-three years ago)

No Robin they dont let you keep it - it was pretty comprehensive but not anal.

I ended up helping to set the questions when they updated the Books and Comics one and it was really hard to do - we were trying to calibrate them so that we could get people who knew their stuff but weren't twats (and we spectacularly failed).

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Nah, I'd say something like "I've got their greatest hits though, I like "Get Off My Cloud"

2. My questions would be:

a) Give me the tracklisting for "the Countinuing struggle of the Philistines Jr"
b) What's your favourite Poison song?
c) Name all the members of Steps.
d) What is punk?

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:14 (twenty-three years ago)

1. I don't think I could name more than one rolling stones album nor will I ever be able to please god.

2. I'd ask

What were the last 5 records you bought?

Why do you want to work here?

Why do you think you'd be good?

Other actual job questions probably far more useful.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:20 (twenty-three years ago)

please name five top selling outfits and explain how you'd divert someone asking for any one of them onto some more deserving material to buy that they'd like

george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"your ass looks fat in that top selling outfit"

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i: "five isn't really a number, you know!!"
ii: "a customer comes in and asks 'what does Fremme Neppa Venette mean?' — how do you respond?"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i. Forbidden Planet is two doors down.

ii. Starbucks is four doors down.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

How about, instead of the "first five albums" question, getting potential employees to write a 200-word essay on Tom Petty?
You know me, I could never stick to a word count.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

The Music And Video Exchange in Notting Hill gives everyone who turns up a test and then gives the people who get a high enough score a trial day. But they are a chain.

Before I got the test I was asked to name the members of The Byrds.

robertw, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

When I was hiring people the first time when running a record store, I asked what I thought was a very simple and reasonable question - "Please tell me anything about the music business. ANYTHING! I don't care what." I hired the only person out of about 10 people that I interviewed who gave an answer. Most of them just looked at me stunned and said, "Huh? What do you mean?" Needless to say the location didn't do very well.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

And oh yeah, Sean is right. Anyone who has an encyclopaedic knowledge of music to the point we're discussing here probably shouldn't be working in a retail store, unless it was some kind of boutique. Most people want the store staff to just be able to tell them where stuff is and to ring it up for them. Knowledable staff should be considered a bonus, not a requirement. It was one of our company maxims that if a potential employee said something like, "I've always wanted to work in a record store" they were the first rejects, usually on the grounds that it would make it easier for them to engage in internal theft.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Not a chance.

2. Scenario: A customer comes in looking for the Grateful Dead do you:
a). Suggest whatever it is you have in stock.
b). Suggest items of high regard, but of low availability.
c). Suggest offshoots like "Old & in the Way" or Hart's "Planet Drum"

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

If asked the question, you could draw your sword, chop off the interviewer's head and roar "There can be ONLY ONE!"

But this might not get you the job.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Reply "Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Ronnie Wood, the session bass player."

Record shop supremo: "You what?"

Interviewee: "Oh sorry I thought you wanted me to name the five old bums in the Rolling Stones..."

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

A: "The Roll what?" Who fucking cares about the Rolling Stones? Is someone going to come into the store and say, "I want the 4th Rolling Stone record?" And the clerk says, "Well I don't know what it is, so you'll have to buy it somewhere else." ..and what if he wants the third Grand Funk record?

Q: "Can you work a cash register, and do you know how to alphabetize?"

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Couldn't do it - I could probably name a few of them, but not in order.

2. What was Sun Ra's real name?

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

2. What was Sun Ra's real name?
I'm surprised that I knew the answer to THAT, but not to the Stones question.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

What is the most unacceptable thing to ever...

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

sun ra's real name = JAMES BLOUNT!!

i knew i recognised that posting style from somewhere!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

That's 50% correct, Mark. AMG lists his birthname as Herman Sonny Blount.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

(no relation to James, presumably)

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Unless James is from Saturn, too.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
I'd be really really really impressed with someone who could name all of Celine Dion's albums.

But... but... they already have names.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 11 August 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, we'll call this first Celine album Lucas ...

Chris O'Connor, Monday, 11 August 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)


1. ha! no. hot rocks?!?

2. i really depends on the position. is it stocking/customer service? or is it buying? there's a lot of difference there.
m.

msp, Monday, 11 August 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'd be really really really impressed with someone who could name all of Celine Dion's albums."


If I had to guess on this one, her first one would be just "Celine Dion", another would probably be named "Celine", and third would be "The Wonderful and Frightening World of Ms. Dion".

earlnash, Monday, 11 August 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
1. no way. i'd be lucky if i could name 5 rolling stones songs. they're rubbish! 'faraway eyes', 'gimme shelter', 'satisfaction', um. stupid stones.

2. what would you compile a rough guide to & wht wd the tracklisting be?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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